The Beatles

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Wings as good as The Beatles?

Solo McCartney as good as The Beatles?

I entirely respect that it's all opinion, but before I form my final opinion on your opinion, I'm asking these questions.

Wouldn't surprise me. You take oddly great offense for someone who doesn't do that.

Yeah, now they entertain anglophiles with no real grip on musical history or appreciation, who far from actually appreciating the very good band that they were, prefer to give one half of the legendary partnership misplaced credit for no reason.

You never offer anything besides lovehearts and McCartney fangirlism to this thread, my issues with this are not baseless, pumpkin.

-AC

*sigh*

Do you know how hard you make it to take anything you say seriously enough to want to reply back to you?

🙄

But i found that last bit of comment interesting. You, Mr. Centauri, don't have it in you to appreciate and celebrate music in its essence and all that it represents.

Because to do so, you would need a heart and a head content with an appropriate doze of humility.

All i see, I'm afraid is a pompous ass on which rests a music snob.

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Originally posted by Punkyhermy
*sigh*

Do you know how hard you make it to take anything you say seriously enough to want to reply back to you?

🙄

I would honestly prefer it if you never replied rather than reply with the nonsense you do, but that's your freedom. Wonderful world.

If you're going to reply, one would assume it's not actually hard at all, so the LEAST you could do for the purposes of the thread is answer the civil questions.

Originally posted by Punkyhermy
But i found that last bit of comment interesting. You, Mr. Centauri, don't have it in you to appreciate and celebrate music in its essence and all that it represents.

A) This is funny coming from someone who has such a base-level appreciation to the point that she cannot discuss music in any REAL detail.

B) I do, but go on.

Originally posted by Punkyhermy
Because to do so, you would need a heart and a head content with an appropriate doze of humility.

No, you wouldn't. Neither of those are necessarily to truly appreciate music.

Unless you literally mean a heart, in which case, yes.

Furthermore, if those things were needed, then me not having them would only be your opinion ANYWAY. Since I have enough backing to render your opinion of me, useless, this whole thing is rather fruitless isn't it?

Originally posted by Punkyhermy
All i see, I'm afraid is a pompous ass on which rests a music snob.

Right, so? You see that. Well done. Perhaps you'd like to prove me wrong and actually show that you have it in you to discuss the band/a band/anything in an in-depth manner, with opinions that aren't contradictory and mannerisms that do not consist of fangirling over McCartney and bumping a thread to post nothing but "Love.".

So far all you've done is made claims in a matter-of-fact text "tone" that you'd then contradict and avoid anybody who questions you.

It's nothing personal, I just have a distaste to people calling me a snob or what have you when they fail to present any reason to respect THEIR debate. I know what I'm on about, I prove that every time I post, that's not arrogance, and it's not abuse to say you give off the opposite impression to me.

-AC

"...boy, you're gonna carry that weight a long time..."

Reported for needless bumping.

-AC

Yes, please only bump a thread if you have something to add to the discussion.

if the beatles could be around now do you think they would still be considered one of the greatest bands

Yeah, considered. Then again, lots of things are "considered".

Would they be in my opinion? No. They never were, in my opinion. It's the accepted view that few really wish to challenge out of fear.

They were nowhere near as good musically as they were generally as a cultural icon. People confuse the two. Biggest band ever, maybe. Greatest? Very arguably.

There were bands making better music before, during and continued to do so after their existence.

-AC

but their sound was briiliant

hey jude being my favourite song

cardiff (footie team) play at home games 😄

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yeah, considered. Then again, lots of things are "considered".

Would they be in my opinion? No. They never were, in my opinion. It's the accepted view that few really wish to challenge out of fear.

They were nowhere near as good musically as they were generally as a cultural icon. People confuse the two. Biggest band ever, maybe. Greatest? Very arguably.

There were bands making better music before, during and continued to do so after their existence.

-AC

REGARDLESS, they are the most adored band probably like ever.
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oh and btw i picked up The Beatles The Biography by Bob Spitz today. so far an intriguiging read.😊

So yoiu likre it?

Originally posted by BackFire
Yes, please only bump a thread if you have something to add to the discussion.

erm...that was?

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that is a song worth discussing, if people don't i can't help it.

Originally posted by Bardock42
So yoiu likre it?

oh you brilliant thing you.

Originally posted by Punkyhermy
oh you brilliant thing you.

Originally posted by Punkyhermy
REGARDLESS, they are the most adored band probably like ever.
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oh and btw i picked up The Beatles The Biography by Bob Spitz today. so far an intriguiging read.😊

So what? What they are considered to be and the level to which they are liked are often wrongly connected with fact.

They are adored, they would probably still be, therefore people would CONSIDER them the greatest band, this isn't a fact and if you look PURELY at music there is significantly less evidence to support the claims.

Proof being that every debate about the band's achievements comes down to everything other than music.

Originally posted by Punkyhermy
that is a song worth discussing, if people don't i can't help it.

You posted a line because you just like this thread being in view, it was stupid.

You didn't attempt any discussion.

-AC

Originally posted by Bardock42
I found it funny, too.

you would, yes.

Originally posted by Punkyhermy
you would, yes.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So what? What they are considered to be and the level to which they are liked are often wrongly connected with fact.

They are adored, they would probably still be, therefore people would CONSIDER them the greatest band, this isn't a fact and if you look PURELY at music there is significantly less evidence to support the claims.

Proof being that every debate about the band's achievements comes down to everything other than music.

You posted a line because you just like this thread being in view, it was stupid.

You didn't attempt any discussion.

-AC

okay, so should people adore bands based on the scale of their so called "greatness" and that alone?

probably but thats not how it works.nor has it ever.

meaning you should quit whining like a broken tape record in every ****in thread.

people adore the beatles REGARDLESS of how "great" they were based on musical ability alone. they were good alright. very good in fact. but did they need be THE BEST in order to garner the attention they did?

no.

they proved that.

and no. i heard that track this morning and it struck me as very profound when looked at in context, something i hadn't before. its a bittersweet nod to their acknowledgement of the state of their band at the time it was recorded. 😬

Originally posted by Bardock42
Indeed. Otherwise I probably wouldn't have said it.

i wouldn't expect anything more no.

Originally posted by Punkyhermy
okay, so should people adore bands based on the scale of their so called "greatness" and that alone?

probably but thats not how it works.nor has it ever.

meaning you should quit whining like a broken tape record in every ****in thread.

people adore the beatles REGARDLESS of how "great" they were based on musical ability alone. they were good alright. very good in fact. but did they need be THE BEST in order to garner the attention they did?

no.

they proved that.

Any level of quality placed upon them is subjective, so you saying they were good or very good is opinion. I happen to like The Beatles, but as a musical group they are sickeningly overrated. They are rated more as a cultural force than a musical one.

They proved they were arguably the biggest band ever. The question was; would they still be considered one of the greatest bands? And it was asked by someone attempting discussion, rather than bumping the thread because she loves the band, then saying nothing.

You replied; "Regardless, they were more adored than any band ever.", which was irrelevant. It doesn't matter, I said they'd be considered such, but when it comes down to MUSIC, as it always should, there is significantly less evidence to prove them a great band musically (Which is subjective ANYWAY) than there is to prove them a cultural and commercial success.

If you wanna call them adored, successful or whatever, fine. If you wanna call them the best band ever, musically, fine. Connecting the two is flawed and incorrect is my point, which you missed in my original reply. They didn't need to be the best at music to garner the attention they did, but that was never my argument. My main point was, they got the attention they did ASIDE from their music, so people should stop calling them the best musical band ever, making better music than anyone, as if it's fact, based upon things that do not connect to musical quality.

Or maybe you're just bitter that as time goes on, people give less of a shit about The Beatles.

Originally posted by Punkyhermy
and no. i heard that track this morning and it struck me as very profound when looked at in context, something i hadn't before. its a bittersweet nod to their acknowledgement of the state of their band at the time it was recorded. 😬

Yeah.

Advice; make the bs more believable if you're going to spout it. If that's why you did it, you would have said it.

-AC

Originally posted by Punkyhermy
i wouldn't expect anything more no.