*SPOILERS*ROTK,a very disappointing end to what could have been the best trilogy ever

Sauron> 😄 Well, I saw Matrix Revolutions, so MY life is complete. But I must admit that RotK is the BEST of the three. Absolutely breath-taking. We Danes get a break in the middle of RotK for 15 minutes to stretch our legs, refill the pop-corn cup and other assorted cinema-nonsense ✅

MatrixJohn> No, not EVERYONE is flaming you. Stop being paranoid. And that “others” (what others) have “a problem” still does not make your opinion fact.
For the xth time:
You said you wanted rotk to end on the Mount Doom side. I asked why the ending of the movie should be different than that of the books?
AND
“You seem to also be a fan of the matrix. What if Neo started singing in the third movie?”

Show me the BOOKS “The Matrix”, “Matrix Reloaded” and “Matrix revolutions” where the authors explicitly write about singing. Aha. What a nonsense argument.
Singing is in the LotR BOOKS.->Singing ok in movies.
No Singing in Matrix. Why should there be?????

So now, at the end, when you cannot back up your criticism with anything, you’re just out to drive people nuts, to quote your own post? And drawing in Hitler to show you must be right, by simply being a minority is the poorest argument ever invented. Or are you saying that all the fans are mindless subjects of evil PJ propaganda, which you, alone, are immune to?

was there any prolonged singing parts in FOTR or the TT?

Cause i dont remember any. EE dont count. Just cause it was in the book dont mean you do it for the third movie only.

Nope, unless you count someone humming to themselves, because I think that happened a few times.

JohnMatrix was there any prolonged singing parts in FOTR or the TT?
nope (not in the theatrical version that is)

JohnMatrix Just cause it was in the book dont mean you do it for the third movie only.
Just because for some strange reason PJ kept the singing for the EE of FotR and TT, it doesn't mean you can't put it in the theatrical version of RotK.
If you like the singing, you're glad he has put in the theatrical version, if you don't like it, it's a bad thing. And the singing in RotK isn't that bad (unlike the song of Eowyn in TT:EE 😉 )
Cinematic, it isn't such a big problem (maybe to you personnal)

Greetz,

The Omega So now, at the end, when you cannot back up your criticism with anything, you’re just out to drive people nuts, to quote your own post? And drawing in Hitler to show you must be right, by simply being a minority is the poorest argument ever invented. Or are you saying that all the fans are mindless subjects of evil PJ propaganda, which you, alone, are immune to?

His critisism doesn't go that far I think.
The Hitler thing was to show a generalising post was wrong, not to show he himself was right (imo)
And if you consider someone who didn't read the books and only saw the theatrical versions of FotR and RotK, it is very hard to understand why Faramir and Denthor do the things they do. And in that respect, JohnMatrix has a point about cutting down the Denethor/Faramir thing, However, that is the only thing of JohnMatrix which I can understand, an which I can not fully disagree upon.

MatrixJohn> In LothLorien the elves sign a lament for Gandalf.

“You seem to also be a fan of the matrix. What if Neo started singing in the third movie?”

Show me the BOOKS “The Matrix”, “Matrix Reloaded” and “Matrix revolutions” where the authors explicitly write about singing. Aha. What a nonsense argument.
Singing is in the LotR BOOKS.->Singing ok in movies.
No Singing in Matrix. Why should there be?????

For the (x+1)st time:
You said you wanted rotk to end on the Mount Doom side. I asked why the ending of the movie should be different than that of the books?

Clockwork> ANYONE who drags in someone like Hitler to back up something as - let's face it - unimportant as a forum argument is worthy of scorn. Nothing else.

Too say that Jackson was HANDED a gift from Tolkien if KONG bombs is rediculous and foolish. That implies that ANY director would have been successful in adapting this story to film which is the silliest thing I have EVER heard. FANS and the Tolkien family are lucky to have had JACKSON do this trilogy and should be forever thankful it was done so well for both "Hollywood film" fans and the "book" fans.

I would say that most of this argument is silly because anyone who claims a movie should have been done a “certain” way or they would have changed this or that is often sitting on the other end of a computer no closer to “making” a movie than the rest of us. B movie director before this or not, Peter Jackson has not only adapted this story excellently but has possibly made the 3 best movies of all time. That is a different argument.

KNOWING something and having an opinion on it are two completely separate things all of us are guilty of forgetting from time to time. IF this movie would have been ripped from the pages word for word and scene for scene, I am confident this would NEVER have been the success it is. I hate seeing a good book be made into a movie sometimes because I KNOW a lot has to change. WORDS don’t work on screen. Situations, moments, drama, suspense and understanding your viewers. The people who pay the money to see these movies. You can nit pick all you want but “PJ” never had to do the EE of the movies on DVD. Did New Line see more $$$ attached? Maybe but you have to choose what side you want to sit on. The EE are New Lines way of making more $$$ from us or PJ’s tribute and loyalty to the fans.

I shudder to think of ANY other director doing this story. ANY! He chose a GREAT balance of real life actors and locations and CGI and stages… Pick your favorite and be honest…(I commented on this on another post so sorry) Lucas? CGI CRAZY MIDDLE EARTH? Cameron? 3D or CGI? Pick your poison. He casted excellently, he shot spectacularly, WETA OWNED! Top to bottom this made the grade over and over and over.

You can piss and moan all you want about PJ changing this and that but the bottom line is it worked. NON LOTR fans are now BIG LOTR fans. That is fact. The Fantasy genre is now reopened and the Oscar’s are listening. This is the greatest story ever written. I believe that. Is it so great that PJ should be thankful…sure. Did PJ honor that story and should the Tolkien family be grateful. I would be. I think together they were the perfect match and if fate had it ANY other way it could have been the worst thing ever…

Side note, to even comment on the singing in this movie is silly. I have YET to read all the books and know enough to say that singing is fine and important in this world but there was no PLACE for it in the first 2 movies…

Also, cinematically it was the wrong choice to put all your eggs into the first war at the walls of Gondor. For the last two movies you have been featuring the three main characters as Aragorn, Legolas and Gamling, and than you focus on that war where they are not even a part of it until the very end? And their part in that war is over with in a minute. And so you have this huge battle with out your three main guys, in the middle of your film and you still have one major battle to go. And for that last battle you give it a tenth of the time you give the first.

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Why does Aragorn become a “Backstreet Boy” when he becomes the King? Perfect hair, clothes and a solo ballad that would put Mariah Carry to shame, he was the perfect King for them cause they could relate to him. Than he becomes king and forgets who he is? The Ranger from the north, that’s what will make him the prefect King he had flaws.

Don't know if I should laugh or cry!!!!!! seriously!

Cut any shots of the conflict with of the Stewart and his son’s conflict. Don’t need that side story this late in the movies.

My GOD! this is blasphemy!!!! somehow I came through this forum and this thread by accident and... right after I readed your 'comments' JohnMatrix I HAD to register! I couldn't believe that someone who has 'apparently' readed the books could make this COMMENTS! cutting all those things you've said means KILLING tolkien's work! every single thing you've said is absolutely WRONG and if you make this kind of comments you DEFINITELY haven't read the books!

if you have issues with the movie that's ok, it's your opinion, the movie isn't perfect, I have a few issues myself, but all your complains go right against Tolkiens writting! So, if you didn't like it... great! but don't act all smarty and claim to have readed the books 'cause those kind of comments from a reader are an insult to Tolkien and his message through this story.

rianna_d,
Just because a movie is accurate doesn't make it good. If you want, I can film myself taking a crap. That would be a super accurate movie but it doesn't mean it's for everyone. And believe me, you wouldn't want to see it twice. I'd recommend a matinee.

Well... Saying Aragorn goes Backstreet Boy because he, as the new King, takes a shower, combs his hair and sings a song (which in my opinion fitted in perfectly) isn't exactly laying the grounds for objective debating.

Bennett> I don't see Rianna claiming RotK is good because it is accurate.

Hasn't everyone realized that as JohnMatrix's list of faults in the movies grows longer, they become more and more absurd? Seems like maybe he was being a bit desperate and ended up making an ass of himself...

this conversation is getting a bit strange... 🤨

Originally posted by SKAliv
Hasn't everyone realized that as JohnMatrix's list of faults in the movies grows longer, they become more and more absurd? Seems like maybe he was being a bit desperate and ended up making an ass of himself...

I don't know about anybody else but I can totally see it. I just stopped replying with his posts because it's getting really, really ridiculous and outrageous and desperate. And nah...I just thought that it's his problem for nitpicking ridiculous "flaws" in the movie instead of just simply enjoying it. I don't care about his whines anymore.. 🙄

Well, I guess he has a very different perspective of Rotk than us... how is that? 😕

I don't see how you can even FIND that many things wrong with the film! Sure, there might be a FEW tiny mistakes, but who gives a crap?!? If you were a LOTR fan, you wouldn't care about a few itty bitty mess-ups or whatever. And I, personally, love the singing! It just fits. Everything you have said in all 12 pages on this thing is idiotic and wrong. Give it up, no one's gonna agree with you because you're the only one seeing all these things that are wrong! You are an insult to LOTR fans and J.R.R. Tolkien himself.
Peace,
Kara Took

LOOK ALL THE DRAM AND EMOTIONS IN ROTK CANNOT BE EXPLAIED IN SIMPLE DIALOGUE, SINGING IS THE MOST COMPLEX AND EFFECTIVE WAY TO GET OUT YOUR FEELINGS

to see that many mistakes you have either been WATCHING THE MOVIE FOR THE SOUL PURPOSE OF SPOTTING MISTAKES, or looking on the net for mistakes

JohnMatrix is entitled to his opinions and so are yours, please be civilized.

Originally posted by Member.
JohnMatrix is entitled to his opinions and so are yours, please be civilized.

Originally posted by sauron
LOOK ALL THE DRAM AND EMOTIONS IN ROTK CANNOT BE EXPLAIED IN SIMPLE DIALOGUE, SINGING IS THE MOST COMPLEX AND EFFECTIVE WAY TO GET OUT YOUR FEELINGS

to see that many mistakes you have either been WATCHING THE MOVIE FOR THE SOUL PURPOSE OF SPOTTING MISTAKES, or looking on the net for mistakes

*applaudes* Right on Sauron. It's annoying when people keep saying, oh they left out this, and oh they left out that! You can't change the movie now. Let's see you try to pull of like that...😉

I can't wait for the extended version!