Countdown to Christmas

this promise to be a good christmas! finally!

Well Tex, Christmas has grown into more of a tradition rather than a religious holiday. We celebrate x-mas like the normal family
I just try to keep the religious symbols to a minimum. Monika has a saying in this as well so as for keeping the peace I let it go by.
But I still dont belive in the Bible stuff though.

It's the same the world around, traditional commercial Christmas crap gets center stage, the religious aspect is put on the back burner! Oh, well, I get presents regardless 😎

Do you actually have a problem with the religious aspect being put on the back burner, Tex? I don't see why it is an issue.

Problem? Not really
It's just that Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Jesus

hence the word Christ in Christmas

and what is the mas, oh "wise" one?

I celebrate Björkmas 😮‍💨

Christmas is a lot of things, Tex. People talk a lot about 'yuletide'. Care to tell me what that has to do with Christianity? Nothing at all. But it was there long before the Christians 'hijacked' it.

The celebration at the end of December was originally a pagan festival about rebirth. Then it evolved into a Christian fesitval about the birth of Christ. Now it is evolving into something different. What is wrong with that?

There are many people who celebrate at this time of year to whom which the whole Christian message means nothing at all. But the sentiments they express are still valid. It's called 'Christmas' out of tradition, but that's just a name. I don;t see why they should feel in any way obligated to bring religion into it if they don't want to.

Christmas is a time about togetherness, family, friends, and the happy exchange of gifts. Many of my fondest memories are at Christmas. It's an important time for me. And this is the same for many people.

Things move on. Things change. Christmas does not HAVE to be religious any more.

damn you know a lot Ush...
say ... when was Christ born?

Around the start of the modern calendar.

tsss, around isn't good enough... what's the latest theory?

That's your opinion Ush
Any sentiments on Björkmas?

It IS my opinion, Tex, but can you find any reasonable way to deny it? What is factual is that 'Christmas' wasn't always a Christian thing. It changed before, it can change again. If Christians are happy to turn a pagan festival into a Christian one, I don't see why they should get unhappy if later down the line secular people want to turn it from a religious festival into a non-religious one.

Yerss- theories on that sort of thing are all over the place. A few years into AD is normally where they try and pin it down to, I think.

No one is trying to burn down your Christmas tree Ush, calm down.

What? There were rumours that someone was trying to burn down my Christmas tree? Why was I not informed? The perpetrator must be huinted down at once!

*runs away, still holding the matches in his hand*
*yells*
The theory most accepted now is the one that 1 AD was actually
-5AD (because at that point the comet of Haile-Bopp was near the earth and could be the famous star)

😄

Has anyone heard 'Christastime' from The Smashing Pumpkins?
I wonder if Marilyn Manson has any Christmas songs? 😄

I don't beleive a word of what Maralyn Manson says. I bet he really dresses normally, goes to church, pays his taxes. That whole gothic thing is just an act.

That's not Gothic, it's satanic.😱

Rolling Stone took a tour of Manson's house in LA back in like 1998, and it was actually very tasteful. His house was this modern marble building, with glass walls, flooded with light, he had real nice sculptures and modern art paintings. It was really beautiful, not dark at all. The only freaky thing they showed was his dog eating off the dining room table, other then that, it was very nice.

I want to spend Christmas with Manson 😮‍💨

Yers the mas in Christmas is an old way of saying going to church.
They held mases in the church, Easter mas with mas and Christmas.

when was Christ born?

well this is the big question. If you are a beliver then the three wise men are the clue.
If we are going to read something out of their sightings(the star) it all comes down to an astrological aspect. Well the star they saw are belived to be an omen of Jupiter being align with Saturn and Mars. This event happens at even intervals, so if it is this alignment they saw, this is the scholars opinions about it, then this Christ person was born in the middle of September 6 years before year 0