The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by dadudemon
You sure?

I haven't looked it up, no. I have no real intention to.

That is saying, potentially, two different things but none of which support your idea:

1. That the Hokage is always the strongest of the 5 kages because Konoha Nin are superb (most likely not it...but Tsunade wasn't around at the time).

2. Hiruzen was/is the strongest of the 5 kage. This one is most likely it based on the wording and other translations.

Both of which also happen to be wrong.

**** what Kabuto said, Hiruzen being stronger than Onoki is the funniest joke I've ever heard.

He probably was, tbh. Had he lived another 15-20 years, he would have hit his prime and had all sorts of absurd techs.

Naruto is better than him at the age of 16. But then that plays into the themes of Naruto and shit. Well, and Naruto didn't really start showing the full extent of his talent until after Jiraiya said that.

But it doesn't matter. Random Love Letter Guy is still by far the most talented, powerful, and has the greatest sex appeal of all ninja, and he's probably pretty good at Basketball.

I like Hiruzen because he's a perv, powerful, smart, and loves his "family": all traits I admire in older male figures. 🙂 I aspire to be like Hiruzen one day. I've got the perv stuff down. 😄

No you don't.

Get out. You belong in a garbage can.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Naruto is better than him at the age of 16. But then that plays into the themes of Naruto and shit. Well, and Naruto didn't really start showing the full extent of his talent until after Jiraiya said that.

But it doesn't matter. Random Love Letter Guy is still by far the most talented, powerful, and has the greatest sex appeal of all ninja, and he's probably pretty good at Basketball.

Well Naruto has a vast chakra pool and extreme amounts of stamina to keep doing something until he ges it right. Jiraiya and Minato didn't have those luxuries.

Well if he was so charming how come he couldn't bed Sakura?

Shut up *****.

And because Sakura is a closet lesbian who is gonna get with Hinata, dude.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I haven't looked it up, no. I have no real intention to.

I'm so lazy that I looked it up and then didn't read the page results, at all. I win. 😐

Originally posted by NemeBro
Both of which also happen to be wrong.

Not true. Both are right. Especially #2.

Originally posted by NemeBro
**** what Kabuto said, Hiruzen being stronger than Onoki is the funniest joke I've ever heard.

Hiruzen was stronger than both the first and second at the same time.

The first was stronger than Madara. Madara was stronger than Onoki (not sure about current form).

By the powers invested in me, I pronounce you man and wife....and pwned.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Naruto is better than him at the age of 16. But then that plays into the themes of Naruto and shit. Well, and Naruto didn't really start showing the full extent of his talent until after Jiraiya said that.

I disagree. Minato would WTF PWN Naruto, still, to this day. Naruto does not have the brains, teleport techs, and seals that Minato does. He would get pwned thoroughly as would just about anyone else. I think that current Madara (if he were in human form) would have trouble with Minato, as well. I'd give Minato a 6 out of 10 win against a flesh form of current Madara.

Originally posted by NemeBro
But it doesn't matter. Random Love Letter Guy is still by far the most talented, powerful, and has the greatest sex appeal of all ninja, and he's probably pretty good at Basketball.

Ur stupid.

Originally posted by NemeBro
No you don't.

Get out. You belong in a garbage can.

I sure do. I just looked under your dress, just now.

Bam.

Looked under it, again. You didn't notice both times. I win.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm so lazy that I looked it up and then didn't read the page results, at all. I win. 😐

Shut up *****.

Not true. Both are right. Especially #2.

Shut up *****.

Hiruzen was stronger than both the first and second at the same time.

The first was stronger than Madara. Madara was stronger than Onoki (not sure about current form).

By the powers invested in me, I pronounce you man and wife....and pwned.

Don't care about statements or ET uncle tomfoolery, by feats Onoki is so much better than Hiruzen it isn't even funny.

I disagree. Minato would WTF PWN Naruto, still, to this day. Naruto does not have the brains, teleport techs, and seals that Minato does. He would get pwned thoroughly as would just about anyone else. I think that current Madara (if he were in human form) would have trouble with Minato, as well. I'd give Minato a 6 out of 10 win against a flesh form of current Madara.

Lolno.

Naruto's speed explicitly rivaled the Fourth's in the form that is weaker than the one he is in now.

Naruto would one-shot Minato.

Current Madara would use Susano'o and then Mokuton, and then he is winRAR.

Ur stupid.

Shut up *****.

I sure do. I just looked under your dress, just now.

Bam.

Looked under it, again. You didn't notice both times. I win.

I'm not wearing a dress.

well, I gotta say current Madara sure is doing a damn good job against the kages. and here I thought that the next time we see them, they would be doing a bit better. well there is always the next chapter, assuming Kishimoto doesn't choose to focus too much on Sasuke's and Itachi's meeting.

and not to take sides or anything in this current debate, but Nemebro does have apoint: Oonoki right now has much better feats than Hiruzen did.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Stfu. >_>

To be honest, he should be at least two tiers above him. He has Hashirama's best techniques, though he probably isn't as good, and the Rinnegan. He is Madara plus 2 overpowered things, so he should logically be 2 tiers higher than Madara without those things, who was rivals with Hashirama!

So all it takes to wake up is Heroic Resolve? awesome

Lol read this theory:

Naruto: What are you going to do about Kabuto and Edo Tensei?

Itachi: Every jutsu has a weakness.

*runs off and runs around for a while before passing Sasuke*

Sasuke: WTF!? *chases Itachi*

Itachi: (Plan to beat Kabuto: Let Sasuke do it. awesome)

Nah, 3 tiers. Technically, he is Prime Madara + Hashirama's Jutsu + Rinnegan + more Physical energy. awesome

Nah, Old Man Memories of painting stones and being pwned by Uchihas + Heroic Resolve. 313

😂
Damn, I hope Sasuke crashed into a tree after seeing Itachi.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Madara before Rinnigan is about equal with Hashirama. That much is clear. Hashirama would be just a smidge stronger than pre-Rinnigan Madara.

And Hashirama is in the same class as the Sage of The Six Paths. stoned

Originally posted by dadudemon
I did. Hashirama would lose to Minato, still, even after this chapter's revelation. Minato, imo, is the absolute best 1 on 1 ninja fighter in the series. Minato also happens to be an excellent 1 vs many...but his real strength lies in being the absolute best ninja assassin.

Dun't care about- a 1 on 1 fight, but Hashirama's much stronger than Minato.
DEAL WIT EET!

Originally posted by dadudemon
1. Ditto.

2. I hope that Orochimaru returns...soooo bad... pained

It would be awesome if Tobi was Orochimaru or some sort of Oro clone. He would be older than Minato. It would explain way Tobi keeps tons of body parts around in a lab, etc.

But I am sure someone has already thought of Oro being Tobi.

Meh, I think Tobi is some sort of Zetsu-type clone with the genes of Madara & Hashirama.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Like I said, that problem is solved if you consider that they branched off from each other somewhere between 16 and 20 years ago. 😄

I'd sooner believe Tobi was evil future Sasuke.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Shut up *****.

Shut up *****.

Reported to Q99. 😐

Originally posted by NemeBro
Don't care about statements or ET uncle tomfoolery, by feats Onoki is so much better than Hiruzen it isn't even funny.

Nay, the first filled the entire "barrier" with a forest. It was fairly large. It's not as though the First didn't lay it on thick. lol

Originally posted by NemeBro
Lolno.

Naruto's speed explicitly rivaled the Fourth's in the form that is weaker than the one he is in now.

Equalling speed doesn't magically make him able to win. Keep in mind that Minato can go that speed withOUT amps. 🙂 Keep in mind that Minato has much more experience with that speed than Naruto. And then there's all the other stuff I said.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Naruto would one-shot Minato.

Minato would oneshot Naruto.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Current Madara would use Susano'o and then Mokuton, and then he is winRAR.

Current Madara, if he were in flesh form, would lose a majority against Minato.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Shut up *****.

U mad and jelly of my awesome skills.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I'm not wearing a dress.

Didn't know you were a "in denial" trannie.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Equalling speed doesn't magically make him able to win. Keep in mind that Minato can go that speed withOUT amps. 🙂 Keep in mind that Minato has much more experience with that speed than Naruto. And then there's all the other stuff I said.

Minato would oneshot Naruto.

Can Naruto really be hurt significantly by Minato's Rasengans? Besides Naruto could always strangle him with chakra arms or something.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Current Madara, if he were in flesh form, would lose a majority against Minato.

Minato might be the undisputed speed king in the Narutoverse but his actual attacks kind of suck. His rasengans are of Base Naruto grade quality and Kunais haven't really been relevant at all. Pretty sure Susanoo and Mokuton could take care of Minato.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Can Naruto really be hurt significantly by Minato's Rasengans? Besides Naruto could always strangle him with chakra arms or something.

How can Naruto tag Minato when Minato can teleport?

And, yes, a rasengan should take out Naruto.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Minato might be the undisputed speed king in the Narutoverse but his actual attacks kind of suck. His rasengans are of Base Naruto grade quality and Kunais haven't really been relevant at all. Pretty sure Susanoo and Mokuton could take care of Minato.

They are a bit bigger and stronger than Naruto's base Rasengan's. Remember, they cause a massive crater with Tobi's body. I argue that that is Minato's strength combined with the Rasengan.

And I'm pretty sure that Susano'o and Mokuton would do nothing to Minato.

Originally posted by dadudemon
How can Naruto tag Minato when Minato can teleport?

And, yes, a rasengan should take out Naruto.

If worst come to worst Naruto can just use the Rasengan Vortex thing.

Originally posted by dadudemon
They are a bit bigger and stronger than Naruto's base Rasengan's. Remember, they cause a massive crater with Tobi's body. I argue that that is Minato's strength combined with the Rasengan.

And I'm pretty sure that Susano'o and Mokuton would do nothing to Minato.

Okay the Rasengans are kind of strong looking back at it. As for the crater thing, the Rasengan already has a blast effect when it makes contact.

Susanoo is the perfect barrier for Minato's rather lackluster attacks. Mokuton takes away his footing. Even if he teleports he still needs a place to port too; unless he directly tags Madara, which can be prevented by Susanoo.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Naruto showed very decent reaction time when dodging A's punch.

So did Minato but Minato has more practice and brains to go along with his reaction times. He also can "tag" people so fast that not even our panels show it (lol).

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
And Minato's a short range fighter to boot.

No he is not. He is the longest range fighter in the series: even farther ranged than Tobi.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
If worst come to worst Naruto can just use the Rasengan Vortex thing.

And Minato just disappears and comes back right behind Naruto.

Unlike A and B, Naruto is not smart enough to memorize the placement of every Kunai that Minato would throw out against a fast opponent.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Okay the Rasengans are kind of strong looking back at it. As for the crater thing, the Rasengan already has a blast effect when it makes contact.

But no regular ones were as strong as Minato's. Only the amped up versions could rival the one Minato used against Tobi.

So we have two choices when trying to classify Minato's rasengans: he is either augmenting his rasengans with tons of brute strength

or

His slightly larger rasengans have much more power.

I would think it is more the former than the latter but both could be playing a role.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Susanoo is the perfect barrier for Minato's rather lackluster attacks.

Despite his lackluster attacks, he took on Tobi and a full-powered Kurama.

And Susano'o is a horrible barrier against Minato. Keep in mind that an in-universe fight doesn't have silly rules like "ZOMG! BFR!" cause Minato definitely BFR'd against Tobi. Additionally, Susano'o drains chakra quite quickly. It would be a horrible tactical decision and only delays death.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Mokuton takes away his footing. Even if he teleports he still needs a place to port too; unless he directly tags Madara, which can be prevented by Susanoo.

Minato always has tags in place. Like...literally. It does not matter what anyone tries to do or how destructive their attacks might be...Minato survives because he just ports away and ports back.

Additionally...I think this current Kage fight is lame. We saw that Raikage could move more than fast enough for Madara to keep up with him...so why are they all of a sudden fodder? Oh...right...PIS.

Originally posted by dadudemon
So did Minato but Minato has more practice and brains to go along with his reaction times. He also can "tag" people so fast that not even our panels show it (lol).

No he is not. He is the longest range fighter in the series: even farther ranged than Tobi.

And Minato just disappears and comes back right behind Naruto.

Unlike A and B, Naruto is not smart enough to memorize the placement of every Kunai that Minato would throw out against a fast opponent.

But no regular ones were as strong as Minato's. Only the amped up versions could rival the one Minato used against Tobi.

So we have two choices when trying to classify Minato's rasengans: he is either augmenting his rasengans with tons of brute strength

or

His slightly larger rasengans have much more power.

I would think it is more the former than the latter but both could be playing a role.

Despite his lackluster attacks, he took on Tobi and a full-powered Kurama.

And Susano'o is a horrible barrier against Minato. Keep in mind that an in-universe fight doesn't have silly rules like "ZOMG! BFR!" cause Minato definitely BFR'd against Tobi. Additionally, Susano'o drains chakra quite quickly. It would be a horrible tactical decision and only delays death.

Minato always has tags in place. Like...literally. It does not matter what anyone tries to do or how destructive their attacks might be...Minato survives because he just ports away and ports back.

Additionally...I think this current Kage fight is lame. We saw that Raikage could move more than fast enough for Madara to keep up with him...so why are they all of a sudden fodder? Oh...right...PIS.

But wouldn't Naruto get the chance to strangle him if Minato got close enough to tough him.? Minato's BFR barrier is the only long range thing he's got that wouldn't kill him.

Still didn't look all that different from the Odama Rasengan Naruto used.

Minato's the fastest ninja in the series and has some of the best sealing jutsu in the series, doesn't seem all that suprising he took them on. In then end it was Kushina who restrained it so it's all good.

Unless Madara's already tagged, Susanoo seems like a pretty good barrier myself. If can block pretty strong attacks and as seen by both Sasuke and Madara, EMS appears to relieve the strain problem Susanoo posses with regular MS; still takes a lot of chakra though.

Having tags placed everywhere kind of counts as prep and Mokuton can make a giant forest w/sleeping gas flowers pop up on the spot. Minato's not avoiding that unless he can fly or has already tagged Madara.

Sorry for the late reply.

Pay no attention to DDM. It is obvious he is only thinking with that enormous boner for Minato he has. sneer

*Types out a big review of the Chunin Exam Arc*

*Browser crashes*

Also, yeah, DDM has a bigger boner for Minato than me. Odd.

One day, it will become common knowledge that typing out long posts in Microsoft Word so that it'll get auto-saved if the browser crashes is the smartest thing you can do.

Man...

It was a big friggin review too.

I guess I can summarize it.

The best parts of the arc were the three heroes of team 7. The villains were all kinds of kickass, with special mention going to Kabuto and Orochimaru for being badassess. The supporting cast was increased exponentially, including more characterization for a lot of the previous supporting cast characters. This lets readers have a variety of colorful characters to pick their favorites and least favorites from. My favorite supporting characters from this arc were Kiba, Shikamaru, Ibiki, and Sarutobi. The ones I liked the least were Shino and Hinata. And the action was all kinds of kickass, my personal favorite fights being Kiba vs Naruto, Sasuke vs Gaara, Lee vs Gaara, and Team 7(plus Kabuto) vs the Rain Ninja.

All in all, I consider the arc pretty damn close to perfect, with my only problems being the pacing on occasion and some clunky dialogue here and there.

Edit - WTF!

I hate you, double post.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
But wouldn't Naruto get the chance to strangle him if Minato got close enough to tough him.? Minato's BFR barrier is the only long range thing he's got that wouldn't kill him.

Those arms have never been fast enough to do much. They are more for power than speed. Against Minato, A, or B, it would be a waste.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Still didn't look all that different from the Odama Rasengan Naruto used.

My point, exactly. Regular looking Rasengan did more damage to the area than the big ball rasengan.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Minato's the fastest ninja in the series and has some of the best sealing jutsu in the series, doesn't seem all that suprising he took them on. In then end it was Kushina who restrained it so it's all good.

I don't know what this refers to and I cannot be troubled to go back into my post and figure out which segments you typed that up, for.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Unless Madara's already tagged, Susanoo seems like a pretty good barrier myself. If can block pretty strong attacks and as seen by both Sasuke and Madara, EMS appears to relieve the strain problem Susanoo posses with regular MS; still takes a lot of chakra though.

While I agree, it does not address the problem of Susnao'o being a massive chakra drainer. Even Madara, who appears to have the most chakra of any person we have seen (because of his own mixed with Hashirama's) doesn't keep up Susano'o all the time: he takes it down when he doesn't directly need to use it. So it is quite obvious that even a chakra beast (no pun intended) still doesn't want to keep it up during a fight with 5 kage level characters...even though it would be advantageous to do so.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Having tags placed everywhere kind of counts as prep and Mokuton can make a giant forest w/sleeping gas flowers pop up on the spot. Minato's not avoiding that unless he can fly or has already tagged Madara.

By your logic, then no ninja can have any tools, at all, when they go to fight. Since Minato has never been seen without his pre-tagged kunai, that's just part of his basic equipment set. Kind of like Sasuke's sword, Kisame's sword, Naruto's tailed beast, and so forth.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Sorry for the late reply.

Don't let it happen again or else.

Nah...no worries.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Pay no attention to DDM. It is obvious he is only thinking with that enormous boner for Minato he has. sneer

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Also, yeah, DDM has a bigger boner for Minato than me. Odd.

What's this? You two act as though I have never said, multiple times, that I'm a raging fanboy of both Naruto and Minato?

😐

You both should be ashamed.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
One day, it will become common knowledge that typing out long posts in Microsoft Word so that it'll get auto-saved if the browser crashes is the smartest thing you can do.

Oh, you mean what I've been doing since the late 90s?

😐

Never type of big long arse posts without using word. It will save your spelling, grammar, and visual appearance. Even if your computer crashes, MS Office will recover the document because it saves it, by default, every 5 minutes in a temporary location. That means you will, at most, lose only 5 minutes of typing. Everyone hates on MS...but they make awesome products (Compare to some linux word processors that automatically save your work each character you type...that's even better)