Gokou was also having his energy drained without realizing it at first so he wasn't exactly full power. Without the energy absorbtion Vegeta could have easily owned both Gero and 19 and he wasn't really that much stronger than Gokou if he was even stronger at all. He's just a smarter fighter...if he doesn't let his pride overwhelm him.
I liked Sasuke better than vegeta. Vegeta just seemed like big talk and attitude that couldnt back it up half the time. How many times did he get his ass whooped in DBZ....LETS FIND OUT OUT
A one A Two A THREE......but seriously lets find out. Goku, Zarbon(though redeemed), Frieza, Freiza, Frieza, Racoome, Cell, 17, Cell Jr., Majin Buu, Super Buu, kid, Buu, Got owned by Future Trunks. Dear god i dont even want to bring up how many times in the movies.
But Sasuke on the other hand has been shown to back up his attitude and pride. Thats why I like Naruto better than DBZ cuz Naruto gives other characters a chance to shine and win som fghts though the shine is on Sasuke right now.
...Dude, for like a long period of time, Naruto's name might as well have been Sasuke and the Magical Eye.
Give other characters time to shine? Dude...That is one of Shippuden's biggest complaints. Alot of the supporting characters haven't really done shit yet.
Vegeta beat Goku in their first fight actually. I may remember this wrong, but I am pretty sure it was a Spirit Bomb from Krillin which beat Vegeta, and that was only after Yajirobe cut off his tail. It took a team effort to down Vegeta.
He punked Zarbon second time they fight, and punked Dodoria as well, those two are the elites of Freeza's army second only to the Ginyu Force.
Freeza at that time was thought to be invincible.
Recoome was the second strongest member of the Ginyu Force, and Vegeta killed Burter and Jeice.
He pwned Cell but let his Saiyan pride doom him in the next fight. And despite his inferior power, he actually put up a decent fight, blowing him in half, he could have killed Cell with the Final Flash, but would have destroyed the planet.
He never thought 17, you are thinking of 18.
Cell Jr. is every bit as lethal as Cell, Cell's words.
He blew Majin Buu to bits, and Buu was able to fight with SSJ3 Goku, not a bad showing.
Super Buu? Not a bad showing.
Kid Buu? Once again, not bad, impressive actually that he was able to last, Kid Buu was an equal or slightly above SSJ3 Goku.
Got owned by Future Trunks? Ummm what?
Sasuke was pwned by weighted Lee, nearly killed by Haku, was pwned by Oro(though that ain't that bad), got the shit kicked out of him by Gaara despite using Cursed Seal, lost to Naruto on the roof, pwned by the Sound Four(who are weak, weak, weak btw), was barely able to beat a not trying Itachi, and is currently getting the crap kicked out of him by Eight Tailed.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
...Dude, for like a long period of time, Naruto's name might as well have been Sasuke and the Magical Eye.Give other characters time to shine? Dude...That is one of Shippuden's biggest complaints. Alot of the supporting characters haven't really done shit yet.
Vegeta beat Goku in their first fight actually. I may remember this wrong, but I am pretty sure it was a Spirit Bomb from Krillin which beat Vegeta, and that was only after Yajirobe cut off his tail. It took a team effort to down Vegeta.
He punked Zarbon second time they fight, and punked Dodoria as well, those two are the elites of Freeza's army second only to the Ginyu Force.
Freeza at that time was thought to be invincible.
Recoome was the second strongest member of the Ginyu Force, and Vegeta killed Burter and Jeice.
He pwned Cell but let his Saiyan pride doom him in the next fight. And despite his inferior power, he actually put up a decent fight, blowing him in half, he could have killed Cell with the Final Flash, but would have destroyed the planet.
He never thought 17, you are thinking of 18.
Cell Jr. is every bit as lethal as Cell, Cell's words.
He blew Majin Buu to bits, and Buu was able to fight with SSJ3 Goku, not a bad showing.
Super Buu? Not a bad showing.
Kid Buu? Once again, not bad, impressive actually that he was able to last, Kid Buu was an equal or slightly above SSJ3 Goku.
Got owned by Future Trunks? Ummm what?
Sasuke was pwned by weighted Lee, nearly killed by Haku, was pwned by Oro(though that ain't that bad), got the shit kicked out of him by Gaara despite using Cursed Seal, lost to Naruto on the roof, pwned by the Sound Four(who are weak, weak, weak btw), was barely able to beat a not trying Itachi, and is currently getting the crap kicked out of him by Eight Tailed.
No to the "on the roof" fight. Sasuke kicked Naruto's ass every which way to China. Sure the rasengan is powerful, but have you ever seen it cut through someone? That water tower image was just to show how serious the rasengan was. As far as cutting, the chidori has that beat by leaps and bounds.
The sound four were also very strong. Jounin level.
If I'm not mistaken, didn't they actually kill jounin in the past and pwn those others?
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
...Dude, for like a long period of time, Naruto's name might as well have been Sasuke and the Magical Eye.Give other characters time to shine? Dude...That is one of Shippuden's biggest complaints. Alot of the supporting characters haven't really done shit yet.
Vegeta beat Goku in their first fight actually. I may remember this wrong, but I am pretty sure it was a Spirit Bomb from Krillin which beat Vegeta, and that was only after Yajirobe cut off his tail. It took a team effort to down Vegeta.
He punked Zarbon second time they fight, and punked Dodoria as well, those two are the elites of Freeza's army second only to the Ginyu Force.
Freeza at that time was thought to be invincible.
Recoome was the second strongest member of the Ginyu Force, and Vegeta killed Burter and Jeice.
He pwned Cell but let his Saiyan pride doom him in the next fight. And despite his inferior power, he actually put up a decent fight, blowing him in half, he could have killed Cell with the Final Flash, but would have destroyed the planet.
He never thought 17, you are thinking of 18.
Cell Jr. is every bit as lethal as Cell, Cell's words.
He blew Majin Buu to bits, and Buu was able to fight with SSJ3 Goku, not a bad showing.
Super Buu? Not a bad showing.
Kid Buu? Once again, not bad, impressive actually that he was able to last, Kid Buu was an equal or slightly above SSJ3 Goku.
Got owned by Future Trunks? Ummm what?
Sasuke was pwned by weighted Lee, nearly killed by Haku, was pwned by Oro(though that ain't that bad), got the shit kicked out of him by Gaara despite using Cursed Seal, lost to Naruto on the roof, pwned by the Sound Four(who are weak, weak, weak btw), was barely able to beat a not trying Itachi, and is currently getting the crap kicked out of him by Eight Tailed.
But failed to back up his words in those fights. Jeice is an acceptable victory. But he killed a dead Beurter that Goku K.o.ed.
Yeah Sasuke got owned by a weighted down Lee. Sasuke was avoiding Haku needles at one point until Haku had to aim at Naruto for a victory. He also Beat da shit out of a Oro imitation. Zaku. Yarobi, Demon Brothers, Naruto, and Gaara didnt really beat da shit out of him. Sasuke held his own in that fight. Gaara bearly got any hits or hard blows on Sasuke. Sasuke busted up gaara in that fight but Gaara 1tail regnerated him and he ran out of Chakra. Sasuke also beat temarai. Post. He defeated Oro, Dei, 1000 chuunin level or higher nins, Itachi, a amry of curse seal. So the 8-tails is next
Originally posted by leonheartmmEh the only real fight that interested me is Jiraiya/Pein. And even that one has been lackluster if you compare it to any fight from the first half. DBZ has better fights than Shippuden also, and so do a lot of other manga. I think the first half of Naruto has some of the best fight scenes. Lee/Gaara, Sasuke/Naruto, Shikamaru/Temari, Neji/Kidomaru, Chouji/Jirobu, and so on and so forth but Shippuden really has nothing like the first time seeing Lee take off the weights, or Chouji eat the pills, or Naruto going one-tail.
and yet, shippuden still has AWESOME fights. some of the best in manga history{up there with satan 666 and blazer drive and some of fullmetal alchemist and maybe reborn}
As for the Vegeta thing which has nothing to do with Leon.
Vegeta may not be able to back up his words but that doesn't make him any less cool. His additude makes him, and the way we see him changing gradually is awesome. Sasuke talks about how sad his life is and how much he wants revenge and how nothing is right when he's got the perfect life minus the fact his clan is dead. At least his whole race didn't get killed. You don't see Vegeta moaning over being the last of his kind or moaning because he's weak. He at least has some pride. Sasuke's emoness in the first half, and his PIS in the second half make him so much worse. He hasn't changed at all not even after 'killing' his brother or finding out the truth about his brother or anything. What's he do? I still need to kill the others who destroyed my clan in Konoha because I've got nothing else to do like change my life and realize my clan wasn't exactly what I thought they were and were trying to destroy Konoha because of some petty grudge they had that the 3rd was trying to redeem.
And Vegeta didn't fail to back up his words in the Kid Buu fight. He was just there to stall for time not actually win. And Sasuke beat a dying Oro, only beat Deidara because Deidara couldn't use any attacks against him..sorta like a electric Pokemon trying to use electric attacks against a ground Pokemon, and Itachi died himself not because Sasuke had anything to do with it. Itachi would have died regardless of his fight with Sasuke. Not to mention he wasn't trying so it can't really be considered a win for Sasuke.
And the Sound Four were nowhere near Jonin. They only beat the two they did because they had returned from a mission and weren't at full strength.
Originally posted by Kento
They only beat the two they did because they had returned from a mission and weren't at full strength.
I don't remember that. I thought their mission was to wait in the woods for shit to go down?
Anyway,
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/185/01/
It shows them being referred to as Jounin.
They were defeated by the sound four. Each of the people defeated were defeated because their opponent was perfectly matched.
Also, I could have sworn that just like everyone of Oro's elite bodyguards, they had to fight a shit load of top notch captured ninja.
Originally posted by Dark-JaxxWhen it comes to characters, DBZ blows Naruto away. Vegeta in particular is the most complex character in the series.
Are you... are you serious?
And I actually dislike the majority of Shippuden's fights because they remind me of DBZ fights. There's no... intelligence, required, to watch them or understand them. It's all linear and redunant fist fights and the same spammed kai beams in the same deserted desert-like/canyon like areas... real tacics are hardly ever employed, thr surroundings are never taken into account because they're all big buff manly men who can fly so the surroundings don't matter... The characters all have generally the same moves that are just colored differently, larger or smaller in size and/or shape. Goku never fails to kill the main bad guy except for the Cell Arc. The deaths of characters never have to be taken seriously because they'll either be resurrected or if they're not you'll still see them walking around doing whatever in HFIL and the other afterlife places... There are of course exceptions, but not a whole lot.
Another thing that bothered me, is, why are there almost always bystanders sitting on their asses watching the fight with beads of sweat dropping down their foreheads and they're like, spasming in place? You'd think that trained warriors would have better nerves then that, even in the face of iminent death or whatever.
The show isn't bad, most of the movies I like follow that formula and I grew up watching DBZ, it was the only show I liked actually aside from Pokemon. If it wasn't for DBZ Anime wouldn't be as popular in the west as it is now. I just grew out of it I guess...
Originally posted by dadudemonNo they were returning from a mission. While they are in the hospital beds the Jonin say that. And even then the sound four had to use cursed seal 2 to even win and that took a lot out of them. So they sound four weren't exactly at full strength either when they fought the genin. Which could also explain why the Temari and Kankuro easily just wiped out Sakon and Tayuya..besides the fact Shikamaru and Kiba are inferior to them when it comes to power.
I don't remember that. I thought their mission was to wait in the woods for shit to go down?Anyway,
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/185/01/
It shows them being referred to as Jounin.
They were defeated by the sound four. Each of the people defeated were defeated because their opponent was perfectly matched.
Also, I could have sworn that just like everyone of Oro's elite bodyguards, they had to fight a shit load of top notch captured ninja.
And Jirobu wasn't beaten because Chouji was a perfect match. He was beaten because Chouji cheated by making himself stronger. Neji actually fought somebody who he was at a disadvantage against and still won. Temari, and Kankuro just did it the easy way and sliced their opponent up.
I believe that was just for him to have a strong body. They just happened to be the strongest under Oro and Kabuto with the possible exception of Juugo but Juugo wasn't exactly controlable. Which means all those cursed seals Sasuke beat were really weak when he went to get Juugo and Karin.
Originally posted by Blax_HydraliskWhy is Yamcha afraid of dying again if he can just be wished back? All in all..most of the cast of DBZ are a bunch of cowards. Unless you're a saiyan (minus Gohan because he was at time) they seem to be anyway. Besides Chiaotzu. He seemed the bravest because he was so weak but not really scared of anything. Unlike Yamcha who stopped fighting because he was afraid of dying again...in a world where you can just be wished back again and again. Tien did have his moment of being scared but at least he did stuff while Krillen just sat back..scared.
Another thing that bothered me, is, why are there almost always bystanders sitting on their asses watching the fight with beads of sweat dropping down their foreheads and they're like, spasming in place? You'd think that trained warriors would have better nerves then that, even in the face of iminent death or whatever.The show isn't bad, most of the movies I like follow that formula and I grew up watching DBZ, it was the only show I liked actually aside from Pokemon. If it wasn't for DBZ Anime wouldn't be as popular in the west as it is now. I just grew out of it I guess...
Originally posted by psycho gundamBecause I am an excellent troll who prides himself on derailing threads.
enough with dbz in this thread, why is everything compared to it all the time?
But one thing I have to say is, the Sound Four did not fight Jonin, those guys were Tokubetsu Jonin or "Special" Jonin if you watch the dubbed anime, they were Chunin with some Jonin level abilities.
And said Tokubetsu Jonin were tired.
And the Sound Four even agree they would have died if they did not use their Cursed Seals.
Don't sound so tough to me.
Originally posted by psycho gundamBecause it's the shonen manga that most newer ones were inspired by. Naruto included. And Naruto has some elements that are very DBZish. Or Naruto has seem to become the new DBZ for the most part.
enough with dbz in this thread, why is everything compared to it all the time?
Or maybe that's just me.
erm, so the diedara/sasuke fight, or the sasuke itachi fight, sasuke urochimaru fight, or the hidan kakuzu/team konoha fight, or the 4 tails urochimaru fight all meant nuthing to u??? {sure pain/jiraya was awesome but cmon}.
i wud say that often, shippuden has more tactics than pre shippuden. in pre shippuden, the basic techniques were being introduced, now the techniques and strategies are being refined and transformed.
Originally posted by leonheartmmSasuke's fights suck. I hate genjutsu. Not to mention the Oro/Sasuke fight wasn't even a real fight that was over in moments.
erm, so the diedara/sasuke fight, or the sasuke itachi fight, sasuke urochimaru fight, or the hidan kakuzu/team konoha fight, or the 4 tails urochimaru fight all meant nuthing to u??? {sure pain/jiraya was awesome but cmon}.i wud say that often, shippuden has more tactics than pre shippuden. in pre shippuden, the basic techniques were being introduced, now the techniques and strategies are being refined and transformed.
Sakura/Sasori battle, the Gaara/Deidara battle, and the Jiraiya/Pein battle are the only ones I really like. And still none of them had anything close to the fights of the first half.
Also they battle tatics aren't really more defined in Shippuden. The first part gave more characters time to shine with different abilities so you got different fights. Now it's mostly Sasuke fighting somebody with the occasional Kakashi or Naruto fight. Sasuke relies on genjutsu alot or chidori variations, Kakashi always pulls out his sharingan and chidori, and Naruto isn't exactly the most strategic fighter.