The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
They could have been anywhere in the Land of Fire, for a variety of reasons. Not that unusual.

But OHBOY. More asspull techniques. It'd be really nice if we could go back to the old Naruto, just for a moment, where people actually used techniques they already had in various ways to win, as opposed to creating new shit in every battle.

Indeed. Whatever Izanami is, if it manages to beat Kabuto and stop Edo Tensei this will be one of the shittiest fights in Naruto.

Izanami is wife of Izanagi in Japanese myth.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
How do you know that? Huh!? How!?!?!

And did you has good birthday?

Kishi thinks I'm Kubo. vin

It isn't my birthday today. vin

Originally posted by Kento
But can a dead body that regenerates lose an eye to a technique that makes the user lose an eye?

And here I thought Sasuke would do the pulling out a random eye jutsu..

Do they really lose an eye? I thought they just went blind and then the eyelids shut. 😛

He will if and when Izanami fails.

Originally posted by Kento
But can a dead body that regenerates lose an eye to a technique that makes the user lose an eye?

See, this was my perspective. I was like, "Okay, so what. His eye will regen back to the state he was resurrected in. Who the **** cares."

My guess: Itachi gets destroyed or sealed and this causes Sasuke to rage and open his Rinnigan.

Originally posted by Astner
The chapter was good, but why would Sasuke and the masked man go to a tea house in Konoha? Especially at the risk of Sasuke snapping overhearing people slandering his brother?

My guess, because it was a team of 3, was those three were on a mission or coming back from one. Meaning, they were not in Konoha.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
But OHBOY. More asspull techniques. It'd be really nice if we could go back to the old Naruto, just for a moment, where people actually used techniques they already had in various ways to win, as opposed to creating new shit in every battle.

I'm fine with characters working on techs and perfecting them in battle like Naruto did with his biju ball. He was shown working on it and he almost had it done.

I am not okay with ***pull eye techniques from an already overpowered clan: the Uchiha.

I am beginning to think that no clan besides the Uchiha are worth anything. Only PIS has kept things interesting with a fight regarding an Uchiha.

Originally posted by Astner
The chapter was good, but why would Sasuke and the masked man go to a tea house in Konoha? Especially at the risk of Sasuke snapping overhearing people slandering his brother?

Wait, wait... Did you just said the chapter was good? 😖

Originally posted by Q99
Izanami is wife of Izanagi in Japanese myth.

I know.

Originally posted by Bentley
Wait, wait... Did you just said the chapter was good? 😖

Indeed. This was the worse Naruto chapter in a while imo.

Granted, I might be unfair. I did genuinely feel bad for Sasuke in his flashback, even if it was random, and I think it's neat to see Kabuto's past however vague. I like the idea of Kabuto trying to turn Sasuke to his side so that he won't have to deal with them both.

I'm just sick of Itachi showing off. And I don't know if I can handle another ridiculously powerful Sharingan technique. They had by far the best techs in the series, albeit for a substantial cost, but now they get another one? This rivals Mu in terms of brokeness. 😬

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
This rivals Mu in terms of brokeness. 😬

The Uchiha are supposed to be the strongest clan rivaled only by Senju. It would be odd if they were merely second most broken.

The retarded amount of special techniques they have is annoying imo. Pretty much whenever an Uchiha needs to get out of a situation in this manga they just bust out a new one. Its stupid how much more powerful and versatile the Sharingan is than every other bloodline ability.

Eh, per-individual they don't have many special techniques.

Itachi appears to have four: Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi, Susano'o, and this.

Sasuke, three, and likewise that's all Madara has shown.

Danzo *only* has Koto and Izanagi.

Kakashi, only Kamui.

Shisui, only Koto that we know about.

Tobi, phasing and izanagi.

Think of the eye as a base that can potentially allow for multiple techniques, but that each individual only has a few of.

Just like any particular element or whatever release will have a ton of techniques, but each individual user won't know all of them.

Don't forget about their abilities to see chakra, copy jutsu, speed-up perception and see through genjutsu along with anything else I'm forgetting. And I stand by what I said, the sheer amount of techniques is ridiculous. And Sasuke used some wierd eye-tech on Bee iirc.

Originally posted by Q99
Eh, per-individual they don't have many special techniques.

Itachi appears to have four: Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi, Susano'o, and this.

Sasuke, three, and likewise that's all Madara has shown.

Danzo *only* has Koto and Izanagi.

Kakashi, only Kamui.

Shisui, only Koto that we know about.

Tobi, phasing and izanagi.

Think of the eye as a base that can potentially allow for multiple techniques, but that each individual only has a few of.

Just like any particular element or whatever release will have a ton of techniques, but each individual user won't know all of them.

They also have drawbacks. With the exception of Izanagi, they need the MS which is incredibly rare amongst the Uchiha, they drain significant amounts of chakra, Kotoamatsukami has a ridiculous amount of recovery time and Izanagi/Izanami renders an eye useless.

The Rinnegan is more versatile and broken than this.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
They also have drawbacks. With the exception of Izanagi, they need the MS which is incredibly rare amongst the Uchiha, they drain significant amounts of chakra, Kotoamatsukami has a ridiculous amount of recovery time and Izanagi/Izanami renders an eye useless.

The Rinnegan is more versatile and broken than this.

Yea.

Don't forget that unless you have *eternal* as well as mangekyo, even the other mangekyo moves eventually use up your eyes too.

And unusual element releases, while a lot more direct, let you use their special attacks as long as you have chakra, period, and come hand in hand with big gulp sized servings of chakra. You can be 80 and still be blowing stuff up huge.

Someone like Gaara can use his sand for day to day stuff like working in the garden if he wants to. Likewise Mei with her acid and lava, which are similarly great for gardening. Meanwhile every Uchiha who's tried to use their mangekyo for regular gardening has ended up blind in a few years.

that certainly is true, though seeing how Itachi still ended up getting his eyes back even though Sasuke got them, then wouldn't the whole going-blind-with-use thing regarding Izanagi/Izanami not affect him then? if so then Itachi has once more proven himself to be the better of all the uchihas shown except for Madara... then again Madara does have the rinnegan now, which also makes me wonder what other potetential abilities it has.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Don't forget about their abilities to see chakra, copy jutsu, speed-up perception and see through genjutsu along with anything else I'm forgetting. And I stand by what I said, the sheer amount of techniques is ridiculous. And Sasuke used some wierd eye-tech on Bee iirc.

Yes, this. The genjutsu, pre-cog, and copy stuff are probably the most significant broken things about the Uchiha.

When you throw in the super MS techs, they become broken.

Originally posted by Q99
Someone like Gaara can use his sand for day to day stuff like working in the garden if he wants to. Likewise Mei with her acid and lava, which are similarly great for gardening. Meanwhile every Uchiha who's tried to use their mangekyo for regular gardening has ended up blind in a few years.

😆

WTF?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
The Rinnegan is more versatile and broken than this.

Ah yes, I thought I'd forgotten something.

The Sharingan can become the Rinnengan (IIRC). 😐

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
They also have drawbacks. With the exception of Izanagi, they need the MS which is incredibly rare amongst the Uchiha, they drain significant amounts of chakra, Kotoamatsukami has a ridiculous amount of recovery time and Izanagi/Izanami renders an eye useless.

The Rinnegan is more versatile and broken than this.

Indeed. All Sharingan techs come with some cost. The only reason I call it broken is the sheer amount of overpowered techniques it seems to come with.

Rinnegan seems to like a one in a million thing, so why it's broken there technically isn't a clan for it. So while it does give more rarity, the fact that it is rare puts it lower on the totem pole. That and Sharingan can become the Rinnegan.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Ah yes, I thought I'd forgotten something.

The Sharingan can become the Rinnengan (IIRC). 😐

Irrelevant as the Rinnegan is a separate doujutsu. Even then, the Rinnegan can access MS techs so it is still more broken and versatile than the Sharingan.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Indeed. All Sharingan techs come with some cost. The only reason I call it broken is the sheer amount of overpowered techniques it seems to come with.

Rinnegan seems to like a one in a million thing, so why it's broken there technically isn't a clan for it. So while it does give more rarity, the fact that it is rare puts it lower on the totem pole. That and Sharingan can become the Rinnegan.

The MS itself is rare and only gives you at most three overpowered techs while the Sharingan has two hax techs which will cause immediate blindness.

Rarity does not influence how broken something is. The MS gives access to broken techs with significant short-term and massive long-term costs. The Rinnegan has a library of overpowered-broken techs available to it with at best, significant chakra costs.
The Sharingan evolving into the Rinnegan (the exact requirements of which we do not know) means nothing to the Sharingan's broken status as the Rinnegan is classified as a separate doujutsu.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
The MS itself is rare and only gives you at most three overpowered techs while the Sharingan has two hax techs which will cause immediate blindness.

Rarity does not influence how broken something is. The MS gives access to broken techs with significant short-term and massive long-term costs. The Rinnegan has a library of overpowered-broken techs available to it with at best, significant chakra costs.
The Sharingan evolving into the Rinnegan (the exact requirements of which we do not know) means nothing to the Sharingan's broken status as the Rinnegan is classified as a separate doujutsu.

Indeed.

Wellllllll I would disagree. Only two characters have shown use of Rinnegan, Pain and Madara. 3 if one counts Tobi for his transplant and 4 if one counts the Sage. In comparison the sharingan has been used by Sasuke, Itachi, Madara, Shisui, Tobi, Izuna, those random clan guys, and Obito. Counting transplants, Kakashi, Danzo, and Itachi's pet crow. The majority of these guys also have really broken MS techs. So I suppose it is true that the Rinnegan has more broken abilities(though culminated the sharingan might have more), however it is not nearly as big a problem.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Indeed.

Wellllllll I would disagree. Only two characters have shown use of Rinnegan, Pain and Madara. 3 if one counts Tobi for his transplant and 4 if one counts the Sage. In comparison the sharingan has been used by Sasuke, Itachi, Madara, Shisui, Tobi, Izuna, those random clan guys, and Obito. Counting transplants, Kakashi, Danzo, and Itachi's pet crow. The majority of these guys also have really broken MS techs. So I suppose it is true that the Rinnegan has more broken abilities(though culminated the sharingan might have more), however it is not nearly as big a problem.

Again, a lower level of rarity does not mean something is less broken. Otherwise, Aizen's Shikai would not be broken and the Byakugan would be more broken than the Sharingan.
Yes, those named characters do have broken MS techs, but they only have access to 1-3 of those overpowered MS techs as Q pointed out.
If you want to use Itachi's crow as an example, then I use every single Rinnegan summon as well as the 7 bodies that Nagato has used as his Paths of Pain. 313

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Originally posted by TheAuraAngel

Lol at the butthurt.

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Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
While the Rinnegan is rarer, but gives one access to a team of giant summons and control over Gedo Mazo, access to any jutsu that falls under the 6 basic elements, the ability to sense and absorb chakra, rejuvenate wounds and revive dead bodies, extract everything someone knows killing them in the process, gravity manipulation, transforming one's body to get a vast robotic-based arsenal, meteor summoning, and the ability to create anything you can think of. A handful of overpowered and broken techniques does not compare to this, not when you take into account the fact that the Rinnegan can likely access those very same techniques.

carry on