The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by socool8520
If you call getting shanked, being put under genjutsu, and pissing yourself in the corner doing well, then yeah, you're correct. Onoki is the only one doing somewhat well at this point.

They've done more than that. Nothing noteworthy but they've done more. And it only appears that Onoki is doing well because the fight it designed so that he looks to be just the best thing ever. He is the strongest Kage but he's also being a screentime whore.

Originally posted by socool8520
It was your example 🙁 I simply backed up my defense of your assumption. The fact is Kakashi was said to know several jutsu. It's very plausible that lightning based attacks were among them. Kakuzu only had two real fights iirc. Kakuza basically had two fights, and in them it was explained how he was capable of using multiple techs and releases. how long has Tsu been in the manga, and in that time, how many times has it been mentioned(or shown) what her elemental release was. Let alone her ninjutsu knowledge. We can basically infer she is a lightning type due to the nervous system tech, but what else has she done with lightning release? Nothing I can think of. We know A is a lightning release, but again what has he shown since the inception of his character, other than crazy speed and lightning shroud armour? He has never used a ninjutsu. That is why it is out of their character.

Tsunade has had as many fights as Kakuzu(unless you count her scuffle with Naruto). So has A(roughly) and Mei(one offscreen). The can introduce new things and it wouldn't be out of character.

Originally posted by socool8520
Or they wrap up the fight with all the cool stuff they are doing, or at least have him on the ropes. if they can't kill him before ET, I won't be mad, but I would at least like to see him sweat them a bit.

It would not be satisfying if they're sole memorable thing is wrap up duty. They need their own little moments. Mei, A, and Gaara haven't gotten any. Tsunade arguably did/didn't.

Originally posted by socool8520
I see your point. Not sure how that would work. although I think he could still meld with Kurama in the Tobi fight and be sage in the Madara fight. A bunch of sages neutralized an uber attack. I think he could have been of some use.

Sage Mode is useless against Madara.

Originally posted by socool8520
Nope....given naruto's greater healing abilities, I would assume that Minato would fair much worse with this type of tech.

Then, based on Sasuke's eyes being called stronger than Itachi's, one would assume his Sharingan would take longer to damage.

I'll note that the accumulated blindness isn't a constant thing- I think it's worse immediately after using techs. After the Killerbee fight, his vision went blurry briefly, but then got better again.

So even though he nearly went blind from overuses, I suspect that had he let his eyes rest, they'd recover somewhat and he'd be able to use the techs again.

Originally posted by Q99
I'll note that the accumulated blindness isn't a constant thing- I think it's worse immediately after using techs. After the Killerbee fight, his vision went blurry briefly, but then got better again.

So even though he nearly went blind from overuses, I suspect that had he let his eyes rest, they'd recover somewhat and he'd be able to use the techs again.

That is part of the case as well I think. Itachi used it quite a bit but did it sparingly and took more time to rest. He wasn't fighting any Kage Level ninja either I'd assume, which was all Sasuke did since getting the MS really.

Skill on the other hand has nothing to do with it in my opinion.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel [/i]
[B] Tsunade has had as many fights as Kakuzu(unless you count her scuffle with Naruto). So has A(roughly) and Mei(one offscreen). The can introduce new things and it wouldn't be out of character.

And, out of the four, only Kakuzu and Mei have used ninjutsu heavily, or at all. Plus, they have alluded to some back story for A and Tsu at least, and even in the back story, there is no mention of either of them relyining heavily on ninjutsu. So for 40-50+ years, they have pretty much relied on their sole styles. A with lightning armour/Taijutsu and Tsu with Medical jutsu/Taijutsu/occasional summon. How would it not be out of character for them to suddenly spit out some jutsus? Mei has already shown she relies on ninjutsu, so her just varying different releases is not only in character, but welcomed by me as a reader.

It would not be satisfying if they're sole memorable thing is wrap up duty. They need their own little moments. Mei, A, and Gaara haven't gotten any. Tsunade arguably did/didn't.

Sage Mode is useless against Madara.

It blocked mokuton 😄 lol Everyone else was stumped as to how to stop it.

Then, based on Sasuke's eyes being called stronger than Itachi's, one would assume his Sharingan would take longer to damage.

Hmmmm....good point. so it's either Itachi is way more blind than he was letting on, or that white Zetsu is full of $#@! man! Cuz, although Itachi may not have haxed Susano'o or black flames, he was a genjutsu whore? Big time. Had to be eye draining.

Originally posted by Q99
I'll note that the accumulated blindness isn't a constant thing- I think it's worse immediately after using techs. After the Killerbee fight, his vision went blurry briefly, but then got better again.

So even though he nearly went blind from overuses, I suspect that had he let his eyes rest, they'd recover somewhat and he'd be able to use the techs again.

Okay, this does make some sense....but then this makes it even more hax. If it doesn't actually lead to full on blindness unless you go beserk with it, which none of them have done it seems, then you get your sight back? So, use it long enough to win, and then rest? doesn't seem so bad to me.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
That is part of the case as well I think. Itachi used it quite a bit but did it sparingly and took more time to rest. He wasn't fighting any Kage Level ninja either I'd assume, which was all Sasuke did since getting the MS really.

Skill on the other hand has nothing to do with it in my opinion.

Well, he was capturing jinchurikiis. at least one of them was kage level, and the others (from what we saw of them fighting Bee/Naruto) didn't seem like pushovers themselves. it stands to reason he was relying on his godly eyes at least some of the time.

Originally posted by socool8520
And, out of the four, only Kakuzu and Mei have used ninjutsu heavily, or at all. Plus, they have alluded to some back story for A and Tsu at least, and even in the back story, there is no mention of either of them relyining heavily on ninjutsu. So for 40-50+ years, they have pretty much relied on their sole styles. A with lightning armour/Taijutsu and Tsu with Medical jutsu/Taijutsu/occasional summon. How would it not be out of character for them to suddenly spit out some jutsus? Mei has already shown she relies on ninjutsu, so her just varying different releases is not only in character, but welcomed by me as a reader.

Tsunade's never been seen fighting in a backstory(iirc) and what I'm suggested for A is a more advanced taijutsu attack. Course Mei is getting shafted and I choose the blame Kishi for focusing so much on Onoki.

Originally posted by socool8520
So 5 stellar chapters of the Kages all doing cool stuff together to defeat, or at least greatly injure Madara would be drawn out? I would love it personally. We would get to see how Kages should be, and it would be a nice victory for them as a contribution to the war effort.

It would get old.

Originally posted by socool8520
It blocked mokuton 😄 lol Everyone else was stumped as to how to stop it.

Everyone else who was present was drained of chakra.

Originally posted by socool8520
Hmmmm....good point. so it's either Itachi is way more blind than he was letting on, or that white Zetsu is full of $#@! man! Cuz, although Itachi may not have haxed Susano'o or black flames, he was a genjutsu whore? Big time. Had to be eye draining.

Or Itachi simply didn't use it as much.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Tsunade's never been seen fighting in a backstory(iirc) and what I'm suggested for A is a more advanced taijutsu attack. Course Mei is getting shafted and I choose the blame Kishi for focusing so much on Onoki.

It's just that in her 40-50 years, we have never heard of her offensive ninjutsu. We heard about it with Oro, and he proved it on panel. We heard about it with Jiraiya, and he proved it on panel. Same with Kakashi. Not true of Tsunade. I thought you were talking about ninjutsu as well for A. My bad on that. A better taijutsu attack is definitely not out of character for him. It would be welcomed. I agree with you on Mei, but I don't just blame Kishi for Mei, I blame him for the crappiness of all the kage in this fight save for Oonoki.

It would get old.

I think it would be awesome. I also think it would do all the characters more justice as well. The Kages get to prove their worth and Madara can go down to the skill of the younger generation and not be beaten by a lame ET break.

Everyone else who was present was drained of chakra.

Still enough to impress Madara. That's saying something considering how much he has dissed the Kages. 😆

Or Itachi simply didn't use it as much.

I find it hard to believe since almost anytime that I have seen him on panel, he was using Genjutsu of some kind. This leads me to believe that he was all about using some genjutsu

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Yeah I'm done. Bored now.

Boring conversation anyway.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
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Yeah I'm done. Bored now.

Well, thanks for distracting me almost long enough for the next issue to come out. 😄

Originally posted by socool8520
Okay, this does make some sense....but then this makes it even more hax. If it doesn't actually lead to full on blindness unless you go beserk with it, which none of them have done it seems, then you get your sight back? So, use it long enough to win, and then rest? doesn't seem so bad to me.

Well, there's still accumulating blindness, just not as much as the permanent.

Like, think of it as a scale of 10 to 0. The first few times you use it, you drop down to 8-7 and then go back up to 9 and it doesn't seem so bad. If you use it a lot, you may go down to say, 1, and then if you stop, you'll only go back up to maybe 4 or 5. Then next time you use it a few times and go down to 1, you'll only recover to 3.

Eventually even your fully rested state is severely impaired, and it takes less to knock out your vision each time.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Boring conversation anyway.

Hmmm...I thought it was a pretty good difference of views on recent chapters. Sorry it didn't entertain you.

Originally posted by Q99
Well, there's still accumulating blindness, just not as much as the permanent.

Like, think of it as a scale of 10 to 0. The first few times you use it, you drop down to 8-7 and then go back up to 9 and it doesn't seem so bad. If you use it a lot, you may go down to say, 1, and then if you stop, you'll only go back up to maybe 4 or 5. Then next time you use it a few times and go down to 1, you'll only recover to 3.

Eventually even your fully rested state is severely impaired, and it takes less to knock out your vision each time.

Yes, but in the case of Madara or Itachi, when did this become a problem? Madara was presumably defeated on equal terms by Hash without blindness ever being referenced as a cause. Itachi had been using MS for how long and still never went completely blind before succumbing to illness? we can say he used it less at a time than sasuke, but still, he had been using MS well before Sasuke ever achieved MS. He had to of accumulated more fatigue from it over the years than Sasuke did in what, a few years? Unless of course it didn't affect his as much because he is more skilled, or his body is more accustomed to it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Boring conversation anyway.

You think our conversations about Korra are? uhuh

I stopped because it stopped being about Sharingan vs Dust Release and more about complaining about the Kage fight.

I didn't even bother to read any of the posts here. I didn't know that was what teh argument was about.

Thats how boring it was.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I didn't even bother to read any of the posts here. I didn't know that was what teh argument was about.

Thats how boring it was.

You didn't read any of the posts and yet you knew it was boring? Man, you have got skills.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I didn't even bother to read any of the posts here. I didn't know that was what teh argument was about.

Thats how boring it was.

Spoiler:
We could bring up the argument from the OTT in VGVF.

Good idea. I don't think theres been enough rape in Naruto since Orochimaru died.

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