The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
That's the point. Onoki is the only one doing things because Kishi wrote the fight that way. The Kage aren't being written badly, he's just being a screentime whore. I can understand Gaara, he got a two Kage fights under his belt. But Mei, A, and Tsunade have been left doing nothing of any worth really. Madara was always implied to be better than all of them so not a problem with him. And all medical ninjutsu is ninjutsu. And it wouldn't be that outta nowhere.

Whatever man. The same reason you say Onoki is an attention whore, and that the other kages are getting snubbed is the same reason I say the Kages are written poorly. Had they been written well, we would have seen alot more form the kages. Every villain declares their superiority over their opponents until they lose. Big deal. What villain hasn't in this manga? How many besides Tobi haven't died? Okay, I'll give you medical ninjutsu. So how about offensive ninjutsu? Yes, it would be out of nowhere. Aren't you the same person who said theat it would be out of character for Naruto to summon toads? How would this be not be out of character for Tsu, or A?

He had more of a backup in that fight, 3rd Raikage is weaker than Madara, and Madara would prioritize Naruto as a threat.

He clearly uses it far more sparingly than Sasuke. Potential doesn't equal hax if it never gets used.

How do you know? several years of his life have not been revealed. He had to have used them at some point. Plus he is a genjutsu whore. Maybe skill matters with how quickly you go blind. IDK

Onoki got off several more than two if you examine the battlefield. And he was near death probably more because of the meteor that smashed his face than lack of chakra. Sasuke was not very well off in that fight. Used Amaterasu once(twice?) and Susano'o like twice and he was done. Keep in mind, both are less deadly than Dust techs. And Itachi died after using 3 MS techs. While alive his chakra is comparable to Kakashi's.

some of those craters were caused by other things. Naruto's planetary rasengan. The revived kages. not all of it was done by Onoki alone. onoki was shown to be tired after using dust release on the mizukage I believe. I'll have to look up the scans though.

Madara has Rinnegan. And I was comparing MS Sasuke to Onoki, not EMS. Granted, EMS Sasuke hasn't been very impressive.

Originally posted by Q99
I think some of 'em could do pretty good. I mean, Storm has homing lasers. And magnet, at least the iron/gold varieties, lets you surround yourself with metal sand so unless the other nin has a high-penetration attack, they're screwed. Boil, just fill the area with acid! Unless they've got strong range, they can predict all they want, but still, pretty tough for them. Hm, Kurotsuchi's lava might be good too

Storm seems like the best pick, because I don't know if it can be dodged.

Mostly it depends on the specific KG.

I have never heard of Storm.

Sand and Gold manip is quite awesome: among the very best KG (but fails once the Sharingan becomes the MS, much less the EMS).

Acid - That is highly dependent on the nins and the situation. Keep in mind that the nins a equal in every respect (you have to control for something) but one has a sharingan.

Lava...is it fast? I have not seen it move at blistering speeds. Medium speed, imo. Something the sharingan would have no problems predicting.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I have never heard of Storm.

Sand and Gold manip is quite awesome: among the very best KG (but fails once the Sharingan becomes the MS, much less the EMS).

Acid - That is highly dependent on the nins and the situation. Keep in mind that the nins a equal in every respect (you have to control for something) but one has a sharingan.

Lava...is it fast? I have not seen it move at blistering speeds. Medium speed, imo. Something the sharingan would have no problems predicting.

The boil/mist tech did give the incomplete susano'o a hard time. however I doubt most KG users of that tech are as good as Mei. The ice was almost beaten by a genin Sasuke. besides, as soon as eye contact is made, it's game over for evry other KG. Hence the hax. If the Sharingan can't beat you with overwhelming force (susano'o and amaterasu), it will beat you with ridiculous genjutsu (Tsukiyomi, Izanagi, Izanami)

Originally posted by socool8520
Whatever man. The same reason you say Onoki is an attention whore, and that the other kages are getting snubbed is the same reason I say the Kages are written poorly. Had they been written well, we would have seen alot more form the kages. Every villain declares their superiority over their opponents until they lose. Big deal. What villain hasn't in this manga? How many besides Tobi haven't died? Okay, I'll give you medical ninjutsu. So how about offensive ninjutsu? Yes, it would be out of nowhere. Aren't you the same person who said theat it would be out of character for Naruto to summon toads? How would this be not be out of character for Tsu, or A?

But that's a bad way of saying it. It reads like you're saying the Kage are badly written characters. None of them are really. And every Villain has not had the buildup that Madara has. No one was crapping themselves at the thought of fighting Deidara for example. Medical ninjutsu can be used offensively. And simple: We've seen Naruto fight far more than any of the Kage. It's easier to determine what is in character for him than the others. If, for example, Mei started using Kage Bushin, can you really call that out of character when she's been in exactly one fight that she didn't need them in? The only one this might fly with would be A.

Originally posted by socool8520
I'm sure the kages>rubber man as backup. Plus if the focus was on naruto, it may have given the Kages an opening they needed.

Actually I would disagree. Dodai knew the 3rd's moves like the back of his hand and was ready for all of them. The Kage know virtually nothing about Madara, who is a far bigger threat. And it's hard to get that opening with five of them. For example, Madara easily knocked all 5 of them down at one point. Naruto's clone would have gone poof. He is the easiest to get rid of.

Originally posted by socool8520
How do you know? several years of his life have not been revealed. He had to have used them at some point. Plus he is a genjutsu whore. Maybe skill matters with how quickly you go blind. IDK

Simple: The only person we can compare him to is Sasuke. Sasuke used it a lot in a short period of time and was basically blind. The only thing you can conclude is that Itachi didn't spam it as much.

Originally posted by socool8520
some of those craters were caused by other things. Naruto's planetary rasengan. The revived kages. not all of it was done by Onoki alone. onoki was shown to be tired after using dust release on the mizukage I believe. I'll have to look up the scans though.

I'm talking about a scene where it's just Onoki and Mu and several destroyed rock structures.

Originally posted by socool8520
What does rinnegan have to do with anything? Sasuke killed sevral swordsman quite easily with just MS iirc.

His Rinnegan might have been the cause of that. Probably not though. But I can always say Madara can do stuff like that because he is Madara and just that good. And Onoki will have killed his entire army by the time Sasuke kills a few.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
But that's a bad way of saying it. It reads like you're saying the Kage are badly written characters. None of them are really. And every Villain has not had the buildup that Madara has. No one was crapping themselves at the thought of fighting Deidara for example. Medical ninjutsu can be used offensively. And simple: We've seen Naruto fight far more than any of the Kage. It's easier to determine what is in character for him than the others. If, for example, Mei started using Kage Bushin, can you really call that out of character when she's been in exactly one fight that she didn't need them in? The only one this might fly with would be A.

They are badly written, in this arc, imo. It doesn't change the fact that almost every villain has said it, and lost. Sure they would be worried that he is strong, but I simply disagree that he alone was that strong. From the standpoint that he is basically two people now (since he absorbed Hash's DNA), I can see where he is comparable to five hokage, since he kinda makes a 2 hokage team himself. I just think the kages could be written to show a little more is all. I don't remember Tsu using medical jutsu offensively, only her apprentice and Kabuto. Plus, we have seen Tsu fight before, and she never used anything outside of medical jutsu and the nervous sytem thing. So it would be out of character for her and A. Mei has also been in some altercations and she has never strayed from her base stuff. She could have used KB anytime during the Zetsu fight but she hasn't. It doesn't appear to be in her skillset. I would imagine if they could use KB, they would have when madara made the wood clones. Also, I thought this was a hidden leaf tech? Now lava clones or something would be sick.

Actually I would disagree. Dodai knew the 3rd's moves like the back of his hand and was ready for all of them. The Kage know virtually nothing about Madara, who is a far bigger threat. And it's hard to get that opening with five of them. For example, Madara easily knocked all 5 of them down at one point. Naruto's clone would have gone poof. He is the easiest to get rid of.

and Tsu would have no knowledge of Madara? The guy is renowned as you yourself have said, and I don't disagree. The only thing Tsu shouldn't have expected was Mokuton and FAPS. The rest should have been common knowledge to her. Naruto countered Mokuton so it's a little harder to make him poof than one would think. Especially if he makes more sage mode clones or something.

Simple: The only person we can compare him to is Sasuke. Sasuke used it a lot in a short period of time and was basically blind. The only thing you can conclude is that Itachi didn't spam it as much.

Either that or it's not the same for evryone. Either assumption is valid.

His Rinnegan might have been the cause of that. Probably not though. But I can always say Madara can do stuff like that because he is Madara and just that good. And Onoki will have killed his entire army by the time Sasuke kills a few. [/B][/QUOTE]

Originally posted by socool8520
They are badly written, in this arc, imo. It doesn't change the fact that almost every villain has said it, and lost. Sure they would be worried that he is strong, but I simply disagree that he alone was that strong. From the standpoint that he is basically two people now (since he absorbed Hash's DNA), I can see where he is comparable to five hokage, since he kinda makes a 2 hokage team himself. I just think the kages could be written to show a little more is all. I don't remember Tsu using medical jutsu offensively, only her apprentice and Kabuto. Plus, we have seen Tsu fight before, and she never used anything outside of medical jutsu and the nervous sytem thing. So it would be out of character for her and A. Mei has also been in some altercations and she has never strayed from her base stuff. She could have used KB anytime during the Zetsu fight but she hasn't. It doesn't appear to be in her skillset. I would imagine if they could use KB, they would have when madara made the wood clones. Also, I thought this was a hidden leaf tech? Now lava clones or something would be sick.

They aren't. Cept Mei. Gaara's story was nigh complete to begin with and the only thing that changed with him was his daddy issues being solved. Nice enough really. Same with A. Not a complex character but his issues with his brother(and Naruto) were wrapped up nicely. Tsunade gets a chance to shine(Sorta) and resolves to put her grandfather's demons to rest once and for all. And Onoki...well he was written very well, regardless of his screentime.

You're comparing Mei's two fights(one offscreen), to Naruto's billion. Mei using Water Dragon would still be out of character to you because she'd never used it before this fight. See the problem?

Here's how you can take all of Onoki's moments and split them evenly: Have Mei deal with the Pollen. She can make the air acidic and destroy it. The Kage might be a bit injured but they'd be awake and she can take out the flower with Lava, grazing Madara in the process. Then, have A be the one to ultimately be the one to rally the Kage against the Wood Clones and let it be his speed that makes him the primary target. You can even give him a new attack that takes advantage of his super speed and strength by not letting it just be one punch. He creates the opening for Onoki and Tsunade to do their big bang attack. Gaara had two Kage fights already, Tsunade actually had an okay moment really.

There, you get the Kage doing stuff, remaining in character, and allowing them to show off how good they are. And all it costs is giving less time to Onoki.

Originally posted by socool8520
and Tsu would have no knowledge of Madara? The guy is renowned as you yourself have said, and I don't disagree. The only thing Tsu shouldn't have expected was Mokuton and FAPS. The rest should have been common knowledge to her. Naruto countered Mokuton so it's a little harder to make him poof than one would think. Especially if he makes more sage mode clones or something.

She does. And yet her knowledge doesn't seem to have contributed any to the fight at all. No one's has. And Naruto countered because he had the Fox's help. He'd have no such help here.

Originally posted by socool8520
Either that or it's not the same for evryone. Either assumption is valid.

Why would it be different? 😐

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel [/i]
[B]They aren't. Cept Mei. Gaara's story was nigh complete to begin with and the only thing that changed with him was his daddy issues being solved. Nice enough really. Same with A. Not a complex character but his issues with his brother(and Naruto) were wrapped up nicely. Tsunade gets a chance to shine(Sorta) and resolves to put her grandfather's demons to rest once and for all. And Onoki...well he was written very well, regardless of his screentime.

Agree to disagree I guess. 🙁 I was referring to their fighting skills, not their character by the way. The way they are fighting is written terribly and with little forethought as to their abilities save for Onoki, and to some degree, Gaara.

You're comparing Mei's two fights(one offscreen), to Naruto's billion. Mei using Water Dragon would still be out of character to you because she'd never used it before this fight. See the problem?

I see the problem with you assuming that's what I meant. Mei using water dragon would not be out of character since, you know, she has a water release. water clones, mist, etc. is not out of the question for her and I would very much like to see it personally. I personally think she could be a dominant force if..gasp...the kages skills had been written better. some lava/fire/earth techs would be nice too. I simply said nay to kage bunshin which I thought was a leaf tech.

Here's how you can take all of Onoki's moments and split them evenly: Have Mei deal with the Pollen. She can make the air acidic and destroy it. The Kage might be a bit injured but they'd be awake and she can take out the flower with Lava, grazing Madara in the process. Then, have A be the one to ultimately be the one to rally the Kage against the Wood Clones and let it be his speed that makes him the primary target. You can even give him a new attack that takes advantage of his super speed and strength by not letting it just be one punch. He creates the opening for Onoki and Tsunade to do their big bang attack. Gaara had two Kage fights already, Tsunade actually had an okay moment really.

There, you get the Kage doing stuff, remaining in character, and allowing them to show off how good they are. And all it costs is giving less time to Onoki.

Or, while onoki is doing all of those things, the other Kage attack him directly with their techs instead of sitting around, you know, bringing the fight to madara instead of the other way around.

She does. And yet her knowledge doesn't seem to have contributed any to the fight at all. No one's has. And Naruto countered because he had the Fox's help. He'd have no such help here.

Again, bad writing for the Tsu. I would think it would have helped a bit. Why wouldn't he have the fox's help? He just gave it to him again in the fight with Tobi. no reason kurama wouldn't help since he hates Madara.

Why would it be different? 😐

Because they are different. Itachi is basically better than Sasuke in almost every way. It isn't unreasonable to think that sharingan effected him less. Also, I don't remember any talk of Madara going blind. He obviously spammed abilities fighting the strongest opponents around.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I have never heard of Storm.

You know, Darui's attack. The homing-laser one.

Used it to against Ginkaku:

(He guided it around Samui who was actually being held by Ginkaku)

It's a very fast attack where I don't think it could be dodged even if the enemy sees it coming due to the homing aspect.

Acid - That is highly dependent on the nins and the situation. Keep in mind that the nins a equal in every respect (you have to control for something) but one has a sharingan.

Yea, but the other one has a KG release 🙂

The move prediction isn't so useful when the foe is just filling an area.

Lava...is it fast? I have not seen it move at blistering speeds. Medium speed, imo. Something the sharingan would have no problems predicting.

When Kurotsuchi used it, she caught Kabuto.

Hers is useful as a trap- it's not really lava like Mei's and Roshi's, she shoots out 'quicklime' over an area. Then if the enemy steps on that area again after having dodged the initial attack, she shoots some water and that triggers it and they're stuck.

Originally posted by socool8520
Agree to disagree I guess. 🙁 I was referring to their fighting skills, not their character by the way. The way they are fighting is written terribly and with little forethought as to their abilities save for Onoki, and to some degree, Gaara.

I know. But that doesn't mean they're written badly, it means you think the fight is written badly. It's not, obviously, because each Kage is using their abilities creatively and in good conjunction with one another. The problem is the unbalanced amount of screentime makes it seem that they aren't.

Originally posted by socool8520
I see the problem with you assuming that's what I meant. Mei using water dragon would not be out of character since, you know, she has a water release. water clones, mist, etc. is not out of the question for her and I would very much like to see it personally. I personally think she could be a dominant force if..gasp...the kages skills had been written better. some lava/fire/earth techs would be nice too. I simply said nay to kage bunshin which I thought was a leaf tech.

Kay. Then Kakashi using Raikiri on Zabuza way back in the beginning would be out of character since he'd never used lightning. And Bee used Kage Bushin so it's not.

Originally posted by socool8520
Or, while onoki is doing all of those things, the other Kage attack him directly with their techs instead of sitting around, you know, bringing the fight to madara instead of the other way around.

How can they? The scene is design so it looks like Onoki is saving the Kage because they couldn't take care of themselves.

Originally posted by socool8520
Again, bad writing for the Tsu. I would think it would have helped a bit. Why wouldn't he have the fox's help? He just gave it to him again in the fight with Tobi. no reason kurama wouldn't help since he hates Madara.

Or she didn't know anything. And simple: Kurama can't help both the real Naruto fight Tobi and the clone fight Madara.

Originally posted by socool8520
Because they are different. Itachi is basically better than Sasuke in almost every way. It isn't unreasonable to think that sharingan effected him less. Also, I don't remember any talk of Madara going blind. He obviously spammed abilities fighting the strongest opponents around.

Madara did go blind...that's why he has the EMS. Assuming that they're affected differently is dumb. Both Itachi and Sasuke went blind from using the MS. Sasuke uses it more recklessly, something Tobi commented on. I'm not sure what you think the difference would be.

socool

I see the problem with you assuming that's what I meant. Mei using water dragon would not be out of character since, you know, she has a water release. water clones, mist, etc. is not out of the question for her and I would very much like to see it personally. I personally think she could be a dominant force if..gasp...the kages skills had been written better. some lava/fire/earth techs would be nice too. I simply said nay to kage bunshin which I thought was a leaf tech.

I'll note one of the Stone nin in Kakashi Gaiden had 20 shadow clones.

Though element clones and other speciality clones do seem to be more common, Kage Bushin isn't Leaf-only.

And yea, I'd like to see Mei user her versatility more too. Kage's got freaking *five* release types!

Mei can't be creative. She's too busy being a coward so that Onoki looks good by comparison. I legit lol'd in the last chapter at this exchange.

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v60/c590/2.html

Because it made me realize that Mei is the Meg if the Kage were all Family Guy characters.

She is pretty strong with water jutsu, though.

Originally posted by Q99
She is pretty strong with water jutsu, though.

Doesn't change her position.

Mei is Meg because secretly none of the other Kage like her. A is Peter because he gets away with stupid shit and abuses Mei because he is retarded. Gaara is Chris because they're both boring. Tsunade is Lois because she's a girl and stuff. And Onoki is Brian, because the story has to revolve around him being better than them.

They weren't always this. They are now though.

P.s Naruto is Stewie because he wants to kill Tsunade and be Hokage.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I know. But that doesn't mean they're written badly, it means you think the fight is written badly. It's not, obviously, because each Kage is using their abilities creatively and in good conjunction with one another. The problem is the unbalanced amount of screentime makes it seem that they aren't.

I believe the kages are written badly in this fight. Mei has yet to show the potential I think she has. A has done nothing since like the first part of the fight. neither has Tsu. They started doign some some decent collab but no one has done anything kage like save for Onoki. It actually makes me like him more. At least he is trying to win. The others are virtually useless. And they shouldn't be.

Kay. Then Kakashi using Raikiri on Zabuza way back in the beginning would be out of character since he'd never used lightning. And Bee used Kage Bushin so it's not.

Uhh...negative. How was it out of character for Kakashi to use that attack. He was called the copy cat ninja who had learned over a thousand attacks. Pulling jutsu from his rear end is not out of the question at all. A bad example imo. Also, I thought Bee used ink clones and only in bijuu mode?

How can they? The scene is design so it looks like Onoki is saving the Kage because they couldn't take care of themselves.

....Better writing.lol They could have just made Mei look like less of a joke and starting using some offense as well as Gaara be more of a factor. I mean I know he helped defend madara's attack with the sand and earth collab with Onoki, but he is more useful than that. I would have liked to have seen some more twin Taijutsu from A and Tsu. Hell, with Tsu's regen, they should be spamming there best stuff right now. But no, that's left solely for Onoki.

Or she didn't know anything. And simple: Kurama can't help both the real Naruto fight Tobi and the clone fight Madara.

Errr...He helped him as a clone when he negated mokuton while naruto was still battling on other battle fields. wasn't he technically still on other battlefields when ET was released? That's a legit question by the way..I can't remember right now.

Madara did go blind...that's why he has the EMS. Assuming that they're affected differently is dumb. Both Itachi and Sasuke went blind from using the MS. Sasuke uses it more recklessly, something Tobi commented on. I'm not sure what you think the difference would be.

I think the difference is in skill, but that's just me.

Originally posted by Q99
I'll note one of the Stone nin in Kakashi Gaiden had 20 shadow clones.

Though element clones and other speciality clones do seem to be more common, Kage Bushin isn't Leaf-only.

And yea, I'd like to see Mei user her versatility more too. Kage's got freaking *five* release types!

I don't remeber this for some reason.

Yeah, she is just way to awesome to be trolled like she is. She has so much versatility if written better that it is almost ridiculous.

Originally posted by socool8520
I don't remeber this for some reason.

The dude that Kakashi first broke out the Chidori against. Kakashi counted his kills, got to the real one, he dodged and almost killed Kakashi, then Minato popped in, killed the guy, and declared Chidori a forbidden jutsu.

Ohhhh....I thought those were some kind of earth clones. My bad.

Originally posted by socool8520
I believe the kages are written badly in this fight. Mei has yet to show the potential I think she has. A has done nothing since like the first part of the fight. neither has Tsu. They started doign some some decent collab but no one has done anything kage like save for Onoki. It actually makes me like him more. At least he is trying to win. The others are virtually useless. And they shouldn't be.

Mei, A, and Tsunade are all fighting very well. They don't have moments that make them memorable like Onoki. That is why it seems that way.

Originally posted by socool8520
Uhh...negative. How was it out of character for Kakashi to use that attack. He was called the copy cat ninja who had learned over a thousand attacks. Pulling jutsu from his rear end is not out of the question at all. A bad example imo. Also, I thought Bee used ink clones and only in bijuu mode?

Because he'd never used Lightning before. Course, you're nitpicking an example to cover up your faulty logic. In his first appearance/fight, Kakuzu only used an earth style attack. It would be out of character by your logic. And I assumed that is what he did, since if he cleared that with just his speed it would be ridiculous.

Originally posted by socool8520
....Better writing.lol They could have just made Mei look like less of a joke and starting using some offense as well as Gaara be more of a factor. I mean I know he helped defend madara's attack with the sand and earth collab with Onoki, but he is more useful than that. I would have liked to have seen some more twin Taijutsu from A and Tsu. Hell, with Tsu's regen, they should be spamming there best stuff right now. But no, that's left solely for Onoki.

If they let Onoki do all that cool shit and then let the others do some cool shit on their own, the fight would be really long. Which in itself is not good because it would start to lose the readers interest.

Originally posted by socool8520
Errr...He helped him as a clone when he negated mokuton while naruto was still battling on other battle fields. wasn't he technically still on other battlefields when ET was released? That's a legit question by the way..I can't remember right now.

He is supposed to help the clone fight Madara while also helping the real Naruto fight Tobi? He had a limited time helping the real one, never mind two of them.

Originally posted by socool8520
I think the difference is in skill, but that's just me.

Try it another way: If Minato could use an incomplete Rasenshuriken, do you think it would take him longer to completely mess up his arm because he is more skilled than Naruto?

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Mei, A, and Tsunade are all fighting very well. They don't have moments that make them memorable like Onoki. That is why it seems that way.

If you call getting shanked, being put under genjutsu, and pissing yourself in the corner doing well, then yeah, you're correct. Onoki is the only one doing somewhat well at this point.

Because he'd never used Lightning before. Course, you're nitpicking an example to cover up your faulty logic. In his first appearance/fight, Kakuzu only used an earth style attack. It would be out of character by your logic. And I assumed that is what he did, since if he cleared that with just his speed it would be ridiculous.

It was your example 🙁 I simply backed up my defense of your assumption. The fact is Kakashi was said to know several jutsu. It's very plausible that lightning based attacks were among them. Kakuzu only had two real fights iirc. Kakuza basically had two fights, and in them it was explained how he was capable of using multiple techs and releases. how long has Tsu been in the manga, and in that time, how many times has it been mentioned(or shown) what her elemental release was. Let alone her ninjutsu knowledge. We can basically infer she is a lightning type due to the nervous system tech, but what else has she done with lightning release? Nothing I can think of. We know A is a lightning release, but again what has he shown since the inception of his character, other than crazy speed and lightning shroud armour? He has never used a ninjutsu. That is why it is out of their character.

If they let Onoki do all that cool shit and then let the others do some cool shit on their own, the fight would be really long. Which in itself is not good because it would start to lose the readers interest.

Or they wrap up the fight with all the cool stuff they are doing, or at least have him on the ropes. if they can't kill him before ET, I won't be mad, but I would at least like to see him sweat them a bit.

He is supposed to help the clone fight Madara while also helping the real Naruto fight Tobi? He had a limited time helping the real one, never mind two of them.

I see your point. Not sure how that would work. although I think he could still meld with Kurama in the Tobi fight and be sage in the Madara fight. A bunch of sages neutralized an uber attack. I think he could have been of some use.

Try it another way: If Minato could use an incomplete Rasenshuriken, do you think it would take him longer to completely mess up his arm because he is more skilled than Naruto?

Nope....given naruto's greater healing abilities, I would assume that Minato would fair much worse with this type of tech.

I'll note the chapter before, when they were all pretty boss.