The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by Nephthys
Which is kind of dumb on Sarutobi's part. You'd think it would be smarter to keep the identity of your infant Junchuurikii a secret so the other villages can't try to assassinate or capture him.

Besides, he did keep Naruto's parentage, at least his father's identity, a secret from most people. That apparently kept some potential attacks from happening.

You did want some adults to know to an extent- so that if something did happen, they'd know it was extra important to protect him/get him back.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
True.

Wonder what it would have been like if young Naruto had been trained to use his Bijuu like Bee was.

Well, Cloud seemed to have a bit more handle on combat-training their jinchuuriki, but there was some advantage in that they were pre-prepared for the job, something they couldn't do with Naruto, and they had two jinchuuriki at the time so maybe the other'd help. Presumably Mito gave Kushina some prep work, unlike with Naruto.

Also before Bee there'd apparently been a string of failures with Cloud 8-tailed hosts.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
He, or Minato (?), did want Naruto to be seen as a hero by the rest of the village, and I don't think the other villages expressly knew that Naruto was the Kyuubi's Jinchuurikii.
Plus Hiruzen probably kept a close eye on him.

Besides, he did keep Naruto's parentage, at least his father's identity, a secret from most people. That apparently kept some potential attacks from happening.

Minato did. I'm pretty sure he died before he could tell Sarutobi his intentions though.

Hiruzen is the person who tells us, the audience, that Minato wanted Naruto to be remembered as a hero.

Oh really? I thought it was Minato himself. Myyyyyyyy baaaaaaaad!

Originally posted by Nephthys
Minato did. I'm pretty sure he died before he could tell Sarutobi his intentions though.

Both of them wanted Naruto to be seen as a hero, so Sarutobi probably knew what Minato's intentions were.

Originally posted by Q99
You did want some adults to know to an extent- so that if something did happen, they'd know it was extra important to protect him/get him back.

Well, Cloud seemed to have a bit more handle on combat-training their jinchuuriki, but there was some advantage in that they were pre-prepared for the job, something they couldn't do with Naruto, and they had two jinchuuriki at the time so maybe the other'd help. Presumably Mito gave Kushina some prep work, unlike with Naruto.

Also before Bee there'd apparently been a string of failures with Cloud 8-tailed hosts.

Yeah, Cloud does have specialized areas for training their Jinchuurikii, which Konoha hasn't shown to have. Still, both Bee and Naruto demonstrated they had the qualities necessary for taming their Bijuu. Kushina's chakra was also there to help Naruto once he decided to control Kurama, with Minato's chakra as a fail-safe in case Naruto completely lost control and went berserk.

Probably due to the fact that Gyuuki did not have a friendship with any of them.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

Probably due to the fact that Gyuuki did not have a friendship with any of them.

You don't have to have friendship to be a successful jinchuuriki, mind. Like Gaara, post-Naruto beatdown and pre-removal.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Everyone was 'taught at the academy' that the Fox was stopped when Minato sealed into a child, not that Minato had to seal half of it within himself and then half of it in the child.

So how come we have known, long since before the Minato flashback, that Naruto had all the yang chakra sealed into him?

Hell, Jiraiya wasn't even there and he knew about it.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
All of this was not taught at the academy seeing as other kids as well as Naruto himself, were never aware of it until whats-his-face in the first chapter revealed it to Naruto.

You're right. My bad. Thought it would be common knowledge that the Nine-Tails power is split.

So, most of the adults know but none of the kids.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Only Sarutobi and a few of his ninjas were witnesses to what actually happened. Hardly a 'ton'. Ninjas are known to keep details to themselves and they'd really only reveal it to the upper-most echelons. Intel is a big thing in Naruto-verse.

Apparently, Konoha is full of gossips. It reached Jiraiya, eventually. It would be absurd to think Akatsuki did not know Naruto's tailed beast had it's chakra cut in half.

Originally posted by dadudemon
So how come we have known, long since before the Minato flashback, that Naruto had all the yang chakra sealed into him?

Hell, Jiraiya wasn't even there and he knew about it.

We're the audience.

Yes, he knew about it since Jiraiya is a Toad Sage with an excellent relationship with the Toads, and Jiraiya was a person Minato trusted more than anyone else except Kushina as evidenced by Minato entrusting the key to Jiraiya and no one else.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You're right. My bad. Thought it would be common knowledge that the Nine-Tails power is split.

So, most of the adults know but none of the kids.

Most of the adults know that the Kyuubi was sealed into Naruto, not that it had its chakra split into two halves. Until Jiraiya had that conversation with Gerotora, we had no idea that the Kyuubi had had its chakra split in half. No one in Konoha or Akatsuki even hinted at it iirc.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Apparently, Konoha is full of gossips. It reached Jiraiya, eventually. It would be absurd to think Akatsuki did not know Naruto's tailed beast had it's chakra cut in half.

Already addressed why Jiraiya knew what happened that night.

Considering Tobi himself wanted to revive the Jubi in its full/perfect state as opposed to using fragments, I assume he had no knowledge of the Kyuubi's chakra being incomplete. If Akatsuki knew, Tobi would have known.

The alternative explanation is that in these 16 years, the Kyuubi's chakra has regenerated to what it was before Minato split it in half.

Originally posted by Q99
You don't have to have friendship to be a successful jinchuuriki, mind. Like Gaara, post-Naruto beatdown and pre-removal.

True.

There might have been other factors though, such as strength of the seal keeping the Bijuu in check.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

True.

There might have been other factors though, such as strength of the seal keeping the Bijuu in check.

Yea. Naruto's 8 trigrams seal is said to be stronger than Bee's.

If you look at Kushina's and Naruto's seals from the internal world vew, Naruto's is just a cage while Kushina's is a lot more robust (I suspect it was made by Mito, and then of course Kushina herself could keep it fresh without requiring anyone on the outside).

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

The Yin Half of the Kyuubi's chakra is still within the Shinigami. Short of the Kyuubi regenerating that lost half of its chakra during the 16 years it was within Naruto (which I see as plausible, as it was the same size as the other Bijuu when Naruto finally brought it out), it currently has half of its power.

how would he regenerate his chakra back?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
We're the audience.

Yes, he knew about it since Jiraiya is a Toad Sage with an excellent relationship with the Toads, and Jiraiya was a person Minato trusted more than anyone else except Kushina as evidenced by Minato entrusting the key to Jiraiya and no one else.

B.....be.....because.....Jiraiya was Naruto's godfather. Of course the key would be left to him.

And everyone, minus the kids, knows Minato split the chakra and sealed some into Naruto.

Most certainly Akatsuki knows.

Which reminds me: Jiraiya is the shittiest godfather ever...until Naruto met up with him, by chance.

Jiraiya is a creepy old pervert who travels around spying on naked women and writing erotic novels.

Being irresponsible is completely in character.

Originally posted by Q99
Yea. Naruto's 8 trigrams seal is said to be stronger than Bee's.

If you look at Kushina's and Naruto's seals from the internal world vew, Naruto's is just a cage while Kushina's is a lot more robust (I suspect it was made by Mito, and then of course Kushina herself could keep it fresh without requiring anyone on the outside).

Yep. Naruto's seal kept weakening. Other lower-quality seals could have degraded faster.

Yeah, and Kushina had the entirety of the Kyuubi sealed within her.

Originally posted by dadudemon
B.....be.....because.....Jiraiya was Naruto's godfather. Of course the key would be left to him.

And everyone, minus the kids, knows Minato split the chakra and sealed some into Naruto.

Most certainly Akatsuki knows.

Which reminds me: Jiraiya is the shittiest godfather ever...until Naruto met up with him, by chance.

And/or because he was the one person who knew both the Toads and Minato extremely well, and was trusted by both parties.

Not really. All they know is that Naruto has the Kyuubi sealed into him. Nothing indicates they knew about him having half of it.

Nah. If Tobi does not know, Akatsuki wouldn't know.

I suppose he was just irresponsible. He was an awesome geezer though.

Originally posted by socool8520
how would he regenerate his chakra back?

Same way ninjas do?
And he could have always stolen some chakra from Naruto during those 16 years.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

Same way ninjas do?
And he could have always stolen some chakra from Naruto during those 16 years.

What ninja has taken back 50 percent of his chakra that was sealed away? Muu had 50 percent of his chakra sealed away, and as a result, could not use dust releases again. having half of your powere sealed away means you will never get it back (without knowing that demon seal I guess). You will always recover to half.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Yep. Naruto's seal kept weakening. Other lower-quality seals could have degraded faster.

The weakening was partially purposeful too- Minato designed the seal to leak chakra so it'd mingle with Naruto's and help him out.

Though it only really weakened a lot when Jiraiya messed with the key.

^ Man, Minato's sealing skills must have been boss if jiraiya could mess it up.

Originally posted by socool8520
What ninja has taken back 50 percent of his chakra that was sealed away? Muu had 50 percent of his chakra sealed away, and as a result, could not use dust releases again. having half of your powere sealed away means you will never get it back (without knowing that demon seal I guess). You will always recover to half.

Ninjas have used up 80-90 percent of their chakra in battle, and recovered it all back with rest and a meal. The Kyuubi can't have meals, but it has had 16 years for R&R. Heck, just a day or two of stealing some of Naruto's chakra rejuvenated it after Naruto took a majority of its chakra.

Muu did not have 16 years to get the lost portion of his chakra back.

Originally posted by Q99
The weakening was partially purposeful too- Minato designed the seal to leak chakra so it'd mingle with Naruto's and help him out.

Though it only really weakened a lot when Jiraiya messed with the key.

He designed it to have a small gap that would enable Naruto to have an easier time accessing its chakra but I don't think that had anything to do with it weakening over time. Orochimaru setting a 5 Elements seal over the Eight Trigrams Method left Naruto unable to access the Kyuubi's chakra.

Yeah, that was what likely accelerated its degradation.

Originally posted by socool8520
^ Man, Minato's sealing skills must have been boss if jiraiya could mess it up.

Yes, they were good. Mito's sealing skills shit all over his though.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Ninjas have used up 80-90 percent of their chakra in battle, and recovered it all back with rest and a meal. The Kyuubi can't have meals, but it has had 16 years for R&R. Heck, just a day or two of stealing some of Naruto's chakra rejuvenated it after Naruto took a majority of its chakra.

Muu did not have 16 years to get the lost portion of his chakra back.

Yes, they were good. Mito's sealing skills shit all over his though.

I understand what you are saying about recovering chakra. Anyone does that with rest. but how can you recover a portion of yourself that was sealed away? Which is essentially what happened to kurama and Muu. They can have a hundred years and never get their chakra back unless they somehow got it back with the demon seal.

Originally posted by socool8520
I understand what you are saying about recovering chakra. Anyone does that with rest. but how can you recover a portion of yourself that was sealed away? Which is essentially what happened to kurama and Muu. They can have a hundred years and never get their chakra back unless they somehow got it back with the demon seal.

Not so much 'getting it back' as 'replacing it,' is what Phoenix is suggesting.