The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by psycho gundam
exactly.

tobi doesn't seem to want madara around really, and hasn't been making noticeable strides to revive him with all the tools at his disposal, yet returned in a convoluted manner with a huge handout with the rin'nigan awakening thing

madara then kils himself as a decrepit old monster, but then returned in new clothes and a prime body with his old eyes intact. i guess that might be kabuto's doing for the most part

Well the plan was for Tobi to revive him after he'd collected the Bijuu and he hadn't gotten them all. If Tobi really was planning to not revive Madara, which admittedly Kabuto does hint at, then it means Kabuto screwed up both plans and they'll soon be at heads with each other.

It is. He specified his Edo Tensei was special.

Originally posted by socool8520
I somewhat agreed with instance 1.

Instance 2 - It really doesn't though as Naruto is pretty much just pissed off. Not injured are worried in the least. Like I said, bee has looked unimpressive for a while now. It even goes as far as to say that madara won't hold back anymore, and as of now, the only people he is currently affecting at all are Gai and Bee (honestly, I think Bee is being trolled right now).

His shroud isn't useless. Madara drained it but I'm sure Naruto could just go into again, if only to use stronger attacks like beast ball. He would only need to be in it for a few moments.

I know.

Eh, Madara is standing in his usual "why is my enemy so weak" pose, whereas Naruto is pissed off, meaning he probably got a beating, both verbal and physical.
Madara saying he won't hold back anymore doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't winning.

Naruto can go into Bijuu form again, but if he does, Madara's Wood Dragon will be waiting to drain it again. Beast Ball would be useless against the Rinnegan's chakra absorption. Not to mention, Madara can probably deflect it.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Well the plan was for Tobi to revive him after he'd collected the Bijuu and he hadn't gotten them all. If Tobi really was planning to not revive Madara, which admittedly Kabuto does hint at, then it means Kabuto screwed up both plans and they'll soon be at heads with each other.

It is. He specified his Edo Tensei was special.

As far as Madara's revival is concerned, it worked out even better than the originally planned. Madara would have first been revived in his disable state, and he'd have to sync up in order to stay alive and rejuvenate himself.
And I don't really think Obito would have revived Madara anyway, not unless he absolutely needed him.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
As far as Madara's revival is concerned, it worked out even better than the originally planned. Madara would have first been revived in his disable state, and he'd have to sync up in order to stay alive and rejuvenate himself.
And I don't really think Obito would have revived Madara anyway, not unless he absolutely needed him.

Indeed. In fact, one might be wondering why Madara didn't use Edo Tensei at all considering he knew the hand signs and all that jazz. But I've found the answer to this little question.

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/520/13

Kabuto specifies that Orochimaru "perfected" the technique. I'd like to think by that he means Orochimaru made it so that you could revive someone with a younger body but with their older self's abilities(like transplanted cells) and experience. This actually makes a lot of since if you consider Nagato being revived with his transplanted eyes, as well as Hanzo's poison sac. It also explains why Kakuzu didn't have his hearts, since they were all destroyed before he actually died.

Cause remember, if Madara had told Obito to revive him with the normal Edo Tensei, then he would have come back with a decrepit old body. Immortal or not, he would still be useless in combat and his body might not even be able to handle the strain of Susano'o. But if you have Obito revive him after the Bijuu are collected then it really doesn't matter what kind of body he has because he'll have the Moon's Eye Plan all ready to go. In this instance it really doesn't matter how he gets brought back but I like to think he'd prefer to be brought back by his own power.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Indeed. In fact, one might be wondering why Madara didn't use Edo Tensei at all considering he knew the hand signs and all that jazz. But I've found the answer to this little question.

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/520/13

Kabuto specifies that Orochimaru "perfected" the technique. I'd like to think by that he means Orochimaru made it so that you could revive someone with a younger body but with their older self's abilities(like transplanted cells) and experience. This actually makes a lot of since if you consider Nagato being revived with his transplanted eyes, as well as Hanzo's poison sac. It also explains why Kakuzu didn't have his hearts, since they were all destroyed before he actually died.

Cause remember, if Madara had told Obito to revive him with the normal Edo Tensei, then he would have come back with a decrepit old body. Immortal or not, he would still be useless in combat and his body might not even be able to handle the strain of Susano'o. But if you have Obito revive him after the Bijuu are collected then it really doesn't matter what kind of body he has because he'll have the Moon's Eye Plan all ready to go. In this instance it really doesn't matter how he gets brought back but I like to think he'd prefer to be brought back by his own power.

Yeah. We don't know what exactly Kabuto meant by 'perfecting' the tech, but I thought it was that as well.
I also believe that Edo Tensei being invented by his hated rival's brother was a major factor as well, and Madara also considered the technique an atrocity.
Even if he did know the seal to release the contract, there was a very specific and very narrow narrow window of opportunity.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
http://littlesamson.tumblr.com/post/35196681542/naruto-chapter-608-review

Review and stuff!

Well, I read this n'stuff. It is the last thing I'm doing before bed, sir, so it is like a bed-time story for me.

Well done. I have no complaints on what you've presented.

Looking back, I'm glad I ranked One Piece first. The Naruto parts of the fight are fine but Obito is acting like an idiot. Why not just put him back in the dimension? He can't keep using Kamui.

^ I think he is breaking him down now. But you're suggestion would make the most sense tactically. Sadly, that isn't often used in these fights as of late. naruto and bee being trolled by nagato comes to mind.

Originally posted by socool8520
Man he sure he got manhandled. 🙄

I am glad you agree.

Is naruto in anyway harmed? Didn't think so.

Hurrrrr.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/manhandle

1: to handle roughly

He overpowered them both and roughly constricted them.

Did he just go back to chakra mode and block both Madara and Tobi's attack? He sure did.

With Bee's help in the former, the latter doesn't mean a lot.

I never said anything about Bee. He's looked unimppressive this entire arc.

Naruto needed his help to block Madara's attack.

^ ohh....we are still debating this? I thought everyone had already pretty much agreed that it wasn't a manhandling....Well I guess except for you. Slight advantage goes to Madara so far in their exchanges, but no manhadling as Naruto is fine, and Bee and Gai were jacked up before Madara ever showed up.

Must be nice to have regenning chakra, Hash's techs (meaning he was given a special chakra bloodline/jutsus to deal with this situation), and an undying body just to be relevant.

Originally posted by socool8520
^ ohh....we are still debating this? I thought everyone had already pretty much agreed that it wasn't a manhandling....Well I guess except for you. Slight advantage goes to Madara so far in their exchanges, but no manhadling as Naruto is fine, and Bee and Gai were jacked up before Madara ever showed up.

Must be nice to have regenning chakra, Hash's techs (meaning he was given a special chakra bloodline/jutsus to deal with this situation), and an undying body just to be relevant.

Madara is definitively kicking the asses of Naruto, Guy, and Bee like they're nothing to him. Pointing out that Naruto is not hurt is a moot point as Naruto is cloaked with the Kyuubi Chakra that heals him. At the end of the chapter, Madara had only been significantly injured because of Guy whereas Naruto stopped an easily stopped technique. At least Madara managed to weaken Naruto to an extent. Oh and if you try and make Naruto seem even cooler by saying he intercepted two attacks then naturally you must also consider Madara is beating up 3 ninjas, which is a better feat than two.

Ha, given? Madara took Hashirama's powers for his own because he saw the usefulness of Mokuton and desired the Rinnegan. He wasn't given this power, he went and took it. And many strong ninja have been under the Edo Tensei before but Madara was the only one who managed to completely break the jutsu's hold, something not even Tobirama or his brother have done. Madara went and made the best of a bad situation and deserves to be commended for it honestly.

Come back when you're a little less biased about the characters. Kthxbye.

^ He hasn't kicked any ass yet quite frankly (in this battle, obviously he trolled the kages). How is he kicking naruto's ass? he drained some chakra. big deal. This is Naruto, he's got chakra to spare. Bee and gai were pretty tore up before Madara ever showed up so let's not give Madara all the credit. If anyone should receive that credit, it should be Tobi, who actually fought these guys in their peak condition, but whatever. And he was the one that actually brought Bee to the state he is in now.

If by took, you mean, got his ass whooped and then managed to get some DNA then, yeah, you got me there. Then he was lucky enough to be brought back in peak condition instead of his old decrepit self. The bias works both ways.

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/601/3

Guy before fighting Madara.

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/607/16

Guy after fighting Madara. Keep in mind that Gyuuki is also in pain.

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/608/13

Hachibi restrained.

Guy needed to use his strongest known attack just to get a hit in on Madara while it is very obvious that Madara is having fun.

Oh and before you whine about how you weren't talking about how bad Bee and Guy are getting beat, consider that if they weren't there at all then Madara would be wrecking Naruto. As it stands he has taken some of Naruto's chakra while Naruto has done nothing to Madara. This means, in layman terms, that Madara is winning.

And no, he explicitly fought the battle for the Senju cells.

http://www.mangapanda.com/93-57473-12/naruto/chapter-510.html

That is a canon fact from Tobi, who knows everything about Madara. Oh and got his ass whooped?

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/568/7

Hashirama looks pretty hurt if you ask me.

And it's cute how you try and use the bias excuse on me as if I come in here to express my butthurt over Naruto's successes(which you do with Madara I might add). I could easily make the argument that he was given shit but I don't because while he was given some things he had to work for others. The same is true for Madara. They're here now because of his foresight, planning, and ability to adapt to the unexpected. Get over yourself. I'm not saying I like or prefer Madara over Naruto, I'm saying that regardless of bias, Madara is winning the fight between the two because the only person to land a hit on him so far has been Guy. This isn't an opinion, it's a fact.

Originally posted by socool8520
^ ohh....we are still debating this? I thought everyone had already pretty much agreed that it wasn't a manhandling....Well I guess except for you.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

Instance 2 - Proves that Madara was quite easily beating on Naruto, Bee & Gai during the time Obito was having his flashback. The Wood Dragon comes a bit after this.
It did more than just 'drain chakra'. It made Naruto's most powerful form effectively useless.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

Eh, Madara is standing in his usual "why is my enemy so weak" pose, whereas Naruto is pissed off, meaning he probably got a beating, both verbal and physical.
Madara saying he won't hold back anymore doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't winning.

Naruto can go into Bijuu form again, but if he does, Madara's Wood Dragon will be waiting to drain it again. Beast Ball would be useless against the Rinnegan's chakra absorption. Not to mention, Madara can probably deflect it.

Yeah, no, not everyone agreed that it wasn't a manhandling. Madara doesn't have an overwhelming advantage in this fight, but he's facing three S-class ninjas at once, two of whom are the best known Jinchuurikii in the manga, and he's winning.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
And many strong ninja have been under the Edo Tensei before but Madara was the only one who managed to completely break the jutsu's hold, something not even Tobirama or his brother have done. Madara went and made the best of a bad situation and deserves to be commended for it honestly.

Also, your before and after Gai faced Madara scans are the same. sneer

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Itachi > Madara. sneer

Also, your before and after Gai faced Madara scans are the same. sneer

Itachi needed his pet. uhuh

Liar.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Itachi needed his pet. uhuh

Liar.

Fine. Itachi and one crow > Madara. excellent

You edited and now you're calling me a liar? I'll sic dewdemon on you.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Fine. Itachi and one crow > Madara. excellent

You edited and now you're calling me a liar? I'll sic dewdemon on you.

Nah man. Crow is dead and so is Itachi.

I edited something else obviously.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Nah man. Crow is dead and so is Itachi.

I edited something else obviously.

It's thanks to Itachi and Crow that Madara broke free from Edo Tensei in the first place.

I took a screen-cap of your post. I know what you edited. sneer

Originally posted by AuraAngel
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/601/3

Guy before fighting Madara.

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/607/16

Guy after fighting Madara. Keep in mind that Gyuuki is also in pain.

Like I said, He was already injured/below peak condition when Madara arrived as shown by your own scans. I didn't say he didn't harm Gai or bee at all. That was Naruto I was referring to. I believe I said he shouldn't get all the credit for the state they are in now which still holds by the way.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/608/13

Hachibi restrained.

Guy needed to use his strongest known attack just to get a hit in on Madara while it is very obvious that Madara is having fun.

Really? having fun? then why say this:

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v60/c607/18.html

By this point he was clearly not "having fun" anymore and was now taking things seriously. This is before Gai uses his strongest attack by the way so let's not use the toying around stuff anymore regarding Madara beyond this point.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Oh and before you whine about how you weren't talking about how bad Bee and Guy are getting beat, consider that if they weren't there at all then Madara would be wrecking Naruto. As it stands he has taken some of Naruto's chakra while Naruto has done nothing to Madara. This means, in layman terms, that Madara is winning.

This is conjecture. Nothing more. You have no backing except your own opinion. They have saved him from what, like 1 attack so far? They have been useless so far save for the last chapter. Nothing a clone feint couldn't have done for Naruto on his own. I guess you hadn't read where I have already acknowledged that Madara has the slight edge so far, but if you care to stop insulting and actually read my posts, you would already know that. It was the manhandling that i disagree with. Especially to Naruto who hasn't really been injured by Madara yet.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
And no, he explicitly fought the battle for the Senju cells.

http://www.mangapanda.com/93-57473-12/naruto/chapter-510.html

That is a canon fact from Tobi, who knows everything about Madara. Oh and got his ass whooped?

This is solely an opinion on how this was a somewhat victory for Madara. Way to reach there.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/568/7

Hashirama looks pretty hurt if you ask me.

Doesn't this solely talk about each of the individual's battle with Kurama as seen from Kurama's eyes? How does this relate to Madara damaging Hashirama? If anything, this shows how hard of a time Kurama gave Hash, not Madara.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Yeah, no, not everyone agreed that it wasn't a manhandling. Madara doesn't have an overwhelming advantage in this fight, but he's facing three S-class ninjas at once, two of whom are the best known Jinchuurikii in the manga, and he's winning.

My bad, i guess I never continued the debate with you.

Instance two still does not show that he injured Naruto at all. In fact, Naruto states that those level of attacks wouldn't work on him. As stated several times before, Bee and Gai were already gassed/injured when Madara showed up so him injuring them is not that great of a feat. It's like me saying I'm whooping up on Ali, Bruce Lee, and Chuck Norris even though Ali had just fought Foreman for 9 rounds and Bruce Lee has just gone through the tower in "Game of Death" (of course in the analogy we are pretending I'm a great fighter lol). he was still only fighting one relatively fresh S class ninja. But I have already conceded he has the advantage so far.

Manhandling, overwhelming advantage. they seem similar to me, and you just admitted to Madara not having one.

Originally posted by socool8520
of course in the analogy we are pretending I'm a great fighter

Wait, you... Aren't?