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I always imagined the Akatsuki targeting went something like this.

Konan vs Fu- Both can fly and Fu would probably be a priority target since it can fly and such.

Kakuzu vs Han- They both seems to rely on sheer overpowering the opponents and Kakuzu could use his strings to knock the beast off balance if it came to that.

Deidara vs Gaara- We saw this one.

Tobi(or if Sasori had been alive, him) vs Three Tails- Makes sense that Tobi would go after it since he was the one controlling Yagura.

Hidan vs Yugito- We saw this one.

Itachi vs Naruto- Saw it once again.

Kisame vs Roshi- Saw it.

Which leaves the 6 tails(Pain got it in the anime but Akatsuki's numbers were greatly reduced and it was a retcon) and Bee. I assume Orochimaru would have been assigned to the 6 Tails(no reason just do) and Pain to get the more dangerous 8 Tails.

But that's just what I'm guessing.

Obviously Hebi, and then later Kisame got Killerbee.

All around pretty sensible picks. Mitsuhide, I'm going to say, is originally planned to take on maybe 3-tails, a big target is good for his powerful strikes, but he's getting ahead of himself and going for Fu.

Originally posted by Q99
Ninjutsu- 4.5 (From what we've seen it could be different), but the RP version is at this)
Taijutsu- 4
Genjutsu- 3
Intelligence- 3.5
Strength- 3
Speed- 4 or a bit more (leaving it a bit vague)
Stamina- 5
Hand Seals- 3.5
Total: 30.5 or a bit more

Oh yes, and I forgot to mention why stats were desired for her.

See, they're about to fight alongside her, against Kakuzu and his partner-before-Hidan 🙂

They don't need to beat Kakuzu, of course. His partner wanted to push things and take on a jinchuuriki ahead of schedule. Kakuzu's going to be grumpy and let his partner do most of the work. And, as usual, any help he does lend stands a good chance of harming both sides.

The partner is Mitsuhide, an S- level rogue samurai.

(Bio: Mitsuhide. A rogue from the Land of Iron, who valued strength over honor, earning the title Shame of the Samurai and challenged Mifune, lost an arm but lived and escaped, and started working as a powerful mercenary to try and gain strength. Wields massive chakra which he channels through his one blade, akin to what we saw the mook samurai doing but far stronger (can cleave hills and buildings in half with a single swipe). Joined the Akatsuki in search of power and perhaps a new arm worthy of his lost one. )

Kakuzu had a tendency to kill his most of his partners, so maybe you should take that into consideration into your fight, i.e. something along the lines of Fū and co. beating back Mitsuhide and Kakuzu, and then Kakuzu getting angry and taking out/wounding Fū, while in the process, killing Mitsuhide.
Also, lol, is Mitsuhide supposed to have Susanoo level destructive power?

One more thing; Fū may have been captured very early. Just before Part 1 ended, someone said that all of the Akatsuki hadn't met up since Orochimaru left, and they all typically have to meet up in order to seal a Bijuu. They've sealed Bijuu before when Orochimaru was around.
Alternatively, she may have been captured afterwardsReally unclear. Shukaku, Matatabi, Isobu and Son Gokū were all sealed during Part 2. Gyūki and Kurama are still running around. That leaves Kokuō, Saiken, and Chōmei unaccounted for. At least one of them was sealed before Part 1 began.

Kakuzu had a tendency to kill his most of his partners, so maybe you should take that into consideration into your fight, i.e. something along the lines of Fū and co. beating back Mitsuhide and Kakuzu, and then Kakuzu getting angry and taking out/wounding Fū, while in the process, killing Mitsuhide.

Yes, that's a pretty likely outcome. Actually Kakuzu's going to hang back at first as Mitsuhide wants his shot. Then if Mitsuhide asks for help....

Also if they force Fu to use too many tails during the fight, the village sensors will pick up and reinforcements come running.

Also, lol, is Mitsuhide supposed to have Susanoo level destructive power?

Not that much, but pretty darn high with his biggest attacks 🙂 Plus when dealing with an animal, he'll have no problem like, starting a fight by cutting a limb off from surprise. He's straitforward but not too honorable.

High power, but not as much skill as Mifune.

Just before Part 1 ended, someone said that all of the Akatsuki hadn't met up since Orochimaru left, and they all typically have to meet up in order to seal a Bijuu. They've sealed Bijuu before when Orochimaru was around.

I didn't think they had sealed any during pt 1, I thought that comment was made early in pt 2... and some sealing is done remotely.

Originally posted by Q99
Yes, that's a pretty likely outcome. Actually Kakuzu's going to hang back at first as Mitsuhide wants his shot. Then if Mitsuhide asks for help....

Also if they force Fu to use too many tails during the fight, the village sensors will pick up and reinforcements come running.

Mitsuhide must have a good bounty on his head.

Nice, I don't see why Fū has to be captured just yet.
On a side note, why not have Fū be Kakuzu's target instead? I'd assume Mitsuhide's target would be Yugito.

Originally posted by Q99
Not that much, but pretty darn high with his biggest attacks 🙂 Plus when dealing with an animal, he'll have no problem like, starting a fight by cutting a limb off from surprise. He's straitforward but not too honorable.

High power, but not as much skill as Mifune.

Well, when Madara's Susanoo was roughly the size of Kurama and cutting through hills, yeah, Mitsuhide can almost do what Susanoo did. 😛

So more power than Mifune, but not as skilled? Okay. What about speed? If he's as fast as Mifune...

Originally posted by Q99
I didn't think they had sealed any during pt 1, I thought that comment was made early in pt 2... and some sealing is done remotely.

Pretty sure some were sealed long before Part 1 started, or rather, before Naruto was 12 years old.

EDIT: Yeah, two were sealed before Part 1.

Mitsuhide must have a good bounty on his head.

Nice, I don't see why Fū has to be captured just yet.
On a side note, why not have Fū be Kakuzu's target instead? I'd assume Mitsuhide's target would be Yugito.

Fu isn't either of their official target. Mitsuhide is jumping the gun. Kakuzu's still focused on making money.

And before working for Akatsuki, he's been acting as a mercenary. Hm, I'm not sure if anyone hates him enough to put on a really big bounty- the Samurai didn't, they just sliced off his arm and banished him. Now you've got me thinking about it...

Well, when Madara's Susanoo was roughly the size of Kurama and cutting through hills, yeah, Mitsuhide can almost do what Susanoo did.

That was a bit more than hills ^^

His attack is the same ranged chakra-flow slice that Samurai normally use, just big, S-class big. More like... a power equivalent to one of Kakuzu's big attacks, but focused in a narrow slice.

What about speed? If he's as fast as Mifune...

No, not as fast either. Respectable speed, but it's not his specialty.

Pretty sure some were sealed long before Part 1 started, or rather, before Naruto was 12 years old.

I recall something about Akatsuki wanting to seal them in order, though, so it's not like they could get a high-level beast too far ahead, they'd have to contain it without the statue for a long time. And the anime says only 2 were captured before the skip, 5 and 7.

You may be thinking of the 3-tailed host dying before part 1.

Originally posted by Q99
And the anime says only 2 were captured before the skip, 5 and 7.

Oh really? Neat. I just guessed those two would be caught first. haermm

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Tobi was the one controlling Yagura.

On the bounty thing, I just figure Pain'd think it'd set *really* bad policy for Akatsuki to take bounties on other Akatsuki, so as to not give Kakuzu an excuse to off Mitsuhide on purpose.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

Pretty sure some were sealed long before Part 1 started, or rather, before Naruto was 12 years old.

EDIT: Yeah, two were sealed before Part 1.

Hm, this kinda clashes with the 'sealed in order' bit, but it's pretty explicit.

Sooo I guess I'm going to have to say in my version, it's 5 and 6 that were caught.

Originally posted by Q99
Fu isn't either of their official target. Mitsuhide is jumping the gun. Kakuzu's still focused on making money.

And before working for Akatsuki, he's been acting as a mercenary. Hm, I'm not sure if anyone hates him enough to put on a really big bounty- the Samurai didn't, they just sliced off his arm and banished him. Now you've got me thinking about it...

Yeah, Fū wouldn't be Mitsuhide's target. His target should logically be Yugito.
But why would she not be Kakuzu's?

Heh, I only suggested it as Kakuzu/Akatsuki would then at least benefit in some way from Mitsuhide's death, and it wouldn't be a total waste if Kakuzu killed him.

Originally posted by Q99
That was a bit more than hills ^^

His attack is the same ranged chakra-flow slice that Samurai normally use, just big, S-class big. More like... a power equivalent to one of Kakuzu's big attacks, but focused in a narrow slice.

Yeah, I guess so. Very small mountains.

I know, but you said he can slice through hills, which can get pretty big, almost as big as what Kurama/Susanoo sliced through.

Originally posted by Q99
I recall something about Akatsuki wanting to seal them in order, though, so it's not like they could get a high-level beast too far ahead, they'd have to contain it without the statue for a long time. And the anime says only 2 were captured before the skip, 5 and 7.

You may be thinking of the 3-tailed host dying before part 1.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
two were sealed before Part 1.

a) Once Orochimaru left, they all had not met up again, even with Nagato's jutsu. If they had sealed a beast during the time Orochimaru left, and the end of Part 1, they would have had to meet up.

b) They had sealed at least 1 Bijuu when Orochimaru was still there, as they knew how long it took.

c) Deidara says two Jinchuurikii were beaten before Gaara. It couldn't have happened during the break, as one of the members wonders if it would take longer now that Orochimaru was gone, meaning they last sealed a Bijuu when Orochimaru was still there.

d) I don't think there was any order thing going on. Kisame only says that Kurama had to be sealed in last, not that the Bijuu had to be sealed in order of number of tails.

EDIT: Never mind.

Originally posted by dadudemon
LOL!

Well, I agree. Hashirama is a more mature (experience and knowledge being used wisely...not the social interaction maturity thing...hope that makes sense), intelligent, and capable ninja than Naruto, hands down.

Yeah, well, it's easy to mature when you actually have guidance and support from parents and siblings at birth. Not to mention Hash had to mature quickly considering he grew up in a world at war. Naruto has made great strides in combat intelligence, and to a slight degree, maturity since he has had capable and willing teachers/parental figures.

I must have missed something because I don't see where it has been shown that hashirama is all that intelligent. Since his resurrection, he has taken on a Goku type personality imo, and as a child, he had good ideas, but nothing shikamaru like.

Capable, currently sure. When he was Naruto's age, maybe not. Maybe the next few chapters will elaborate on how strong he was because currently, in his early teens, all we have seen is some taijutsu sparring. Nothing out of the realm of what Naruto could do around the same age. If he pulls out the wood techs in the next chapter in his early teens or advanced medical techs, then yeah, I agree he was more capable.

Originally posted by socool8520
I must have missed something because I don't see where it has been shown that hashirama is all that intelligent. Since his resurrection, he has taken on a Goku type personality imo, and as a child, he had good ideas, but nothing shikamaru like.

That's okay. It is your opinion but Hashirama is the once-in-a-generation genius of his generation. According to Kishimoto, you're wrong. There are plenty of reasons to believe he's a genius of epic proportions. It takes quite a bit to ignore that and conclude he's anything but a genius.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That's okay. It is your opinion but Hashirama is the once-in-a-generation genius of his generation. According to Kishimoto, you're wrong. There are plenty of reasons to believe he's a genius of epic proportions. It takes quite a bit to ignore that and conclude he's anything but a genius.

I'm not ignoring anything. From what I have read on him so far, it looks like it took him a while to be the "genius" he became. In his early years, from what we have read so far, He hasn't shown above average intelligence or fighting capabilities ahead of what Naruto has done. If we are going off of pure feats, then Naruto can be considered combat intelligent and very capable himself. Rivaling Hash at the same point in their lives as it stands currently imo.

What reasons are you referring to? Besides Kishi said so

Hashirama founded the entire village systems and he is showings signs of how he would construct it. As a kid he is very cautious, not giving his last name and fleeing the scene once he sees a body for safety. He is wily enough to be able to constantly troll Madara for his own amusement and observant enough to realize Madara was a shinobi just by observing his throwing style. He is also talented enough(which requires a lot of intelligence to grasp) to compete with Madara, who can kill multiple experienced adult shinobi.

Naruto as a child thought every problem could be settled by him becoming Hokage without actually realizing that there was more to it than that. He could be tricky and observant but he was also incredibly stupid(see his entrance to the Bridge Battle). He was creative enough to master the Rasengan sure but he also has enough chakra to help the process along since he can train longer than anyone.

Right now as a child Hashirama has more going for him than Naruto, who has talent but is ultimately not mature enough to use it as intelligently as he could.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Hashirama founded the entire village systems and he is showings signs of how he would construct it. As a kid he is very cautious, not giving his last name and fleeing the scene once he sees a body for safety. He is wily enough to be able to constantly troll Madara for his own amusement and observant enough to realize Madara was a shinobi just by observing his throwing style. He is also talented enough(which requires a lot of intelligence to grasp) to compete with Madara, who can kill multiple experienced adult shinobi.

Naruto as a child thought every problem could be settled by him becoming Hokage without actually realizing that there was more to it than that. He could be tricky and observant but he was also incredibly stupid(see his entrance to the Bridge Battle). He was creative enough to master the Rasengan sure but he also has enough chakra to help the process along since he can train longer than anyone.

Right now as a child Hashirama has more going for him than Naruto, who has talent but is ultimately not mature enough to use it as intelligently as he could.

He trolled Madara in rock skipping and that's pretty much it. He cheated in a race too I guess. Madara stated they were about even in Taijutsu. I think everyone in Hash's time knew to hide their last name. Precaution of the times.

Naruto has been able to defeat high level shinobi as well. Haku, Kakuzu, and Pain (to a degree) come to mind. And I agree, Naruto's common sense is severely lacking at times, but as you mentioned, his battle strategies are quite good making him just as capable as Hash at the same age.

Originally posted by socool8520
He trolled Madara in rock skipping and that's pretty much it. He cheated in a race too I guess. Madara stated they were about even in Taijutsu. I think everyone in Hash's time knew to hide their last name. Precaution of the times.

Naruto has been able to defeat high level shinobi as well. Haku, Kakuzu, and Pain (to a degree) come to mind. And I agree, Naruto's common sense is severely lacking at times, but as you mentioned, his battle strategies are quite good making him just as capable as Hash at the same age.

And racing. And in general conversation. And everyone in Naruto's time knew it's better to remain hidden but he didn't.

The Kyuubi beat Haku. And we're only comparing Hashirama to 12 year old Naruto since that seems to be his age. Most of Naruto's victories at that age can be either attributed to the Kyuubi's help(Neji fight though Naruto did use quite a bit of strategy there) or PIS(Kabuto).

Originally posted by AuraAngel
And racing. And in general conversation. And everyone in Naruto's time knew it's better to remain hidden but he didn't.

The Kyuubi beat Haku. And we're only comparing Hashirama to 12 year old Naruto since that seems to be his age. Most of Naruto's victories at that age can be either attributed to the Kyuubi's help(Neji fight though Naruto did use quite a bit of strategy there) or PIS(Kabuto).

He cheated in that race. lol Meh, I believe Madara had some nice remarks himself in conversation. Even made Hash sulk in the corner. lol

Regardless, Naruto still gets the victory. And like you said, he did use nice strategies in some of these fights. Kyuubi is a part of him, so I don't think it matters. It would be like taking sasuke's eyes or Hash special chakra to deal with bijuu.

I guess I just don't see him as a genius yet. Imo, he doesn't hold up well against the other geniuses we know of such as, Shikamaru (intelligence only), Kakashi, Minato, Oro, and Itachi. They seem to make him look average right now.

I Dont think kakzu got han. I vaguely remembered saying he was captured earlier and ori was part of the team at the time so he might've gotten han. Unless ori did leave early and kakzu got him instead.
The only reason why I dont think it was kakzu because he was only interested in money aspect but i might be wrong. Also i zetsu seems more like a spy type then to capture any of them.

Cuz we know
Itachi-Kyubbi (kurama)
(Original akatsuki member?)Team hawk- Hachibi (gyuki)
(konan possibly)???-Nanabi (Chomei)
Pain- Rokubi (saiken)
(kakazu or orichimaru)???- Gobi (kokuo)
kisame- Yonbi (son goku)
(Original akatsuki member? Saosori perhaps)Diedara and Tobi- Sanbi (isobu)
Hidan- Nibi (matatabi)
Deidara- Ichibi (shakaku)

Zetsu- i dont think he went after any
Kakazu- I think he died before he could capture any.

Originally posted by socool8520
Yeah, well, it's easy to mature when you actually have guidance and support from parents and siblings at birth. Not to mention Hash had to mature quickly considering he grew up in a world at war. Naruto has made great strides in combat intelligence, and to a slight degree, maturity since he has had capable and willing teachers/parental figures.

I must have missed something because I don't see where it has been shown that hashirama is all that intelligent. Since his resurrection, he has taken on a Goku type personality imo, and as a child, he had good ideas, but nothing shikamaru like.

Capable, currently sure. When he was Naruto's age, maybe not. Maybe the next few chapters will elaborate on how strong he was because currently, in his early teens, all we have seen is some taijutsu sparring. Nothing out of the realm of what Naruto could do around the same age. If he pulls out the wood techs in the next chapter in his early teens or advanced medical techs, then yeah, I agree he was more capable.

Much like Madara said, Hashirama is a visionary, and he actually managed to achieve his vision. No one else in Naruto has had an intelligence quite like his (barring perhaps the Sage), even though cases can be made for the other genii being more intelligent in other areas.
We haven't really seen Hashirama fight (other than one short segment of his VotE battle), so it's no wonder ninja like Naruto and Sasuke are shown to be more tactically brilliant in combat.