Originally posted by Q99
Because I'd put him when he first partnered with Kurama at SS.
The entry isn't really needed though. srug He had just partnered up, even though it did provide a massive power boost. Now he's more proficient with his partnership, so shouldn't it take precedence over his entry for when he just unlocked it?
Or do you have other such examples on the list?
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
The entry isn't really needed though. srug He had just partnered up, even though it did provide a massive power boost. Now he's more proficient with his partnership, so shouldn't it take precedence over his entry for when he just unlocked it?Or do you have other such examples on the list?
We've got Kakashi when he's sucky with Kamui vs him as an expert at it. We also have Sasuke when he's got partial susano'o vs when he's learned to use the complete version. Probably some more too.
And, power sharing is a *huge* ability (plus getting sage at about the same time).
If he'd *only* learned to last longer in partnership mode, yea, I'd just bump him, but there's a fair number of differences, despite it being a fairly short time.
Originally posted by Q99
We've got Kakashi when he's sucky with Kamui vs him as an expert at it. We also have Sasuke when he's got partial susano'o vs when he's learned to use the complete version. Probably some more too.And, power sharing is a *huge* ability (plus getting sage at about the same time).
If he'd *only* learned to last longer in partnership mode, yea, I'd just bump him, but there's a fair number of differences, despite it being a fairly short time.
Kakashi was sucky with Kamui way back in the beginning of Part 2. Whereas in Naruto's case, it is in the same arc and roughly 60-70 chapters ago.
You have Sasuke with just the rib-cage Susano'o on the list? And others too? Meh, fair enough then.
Originally posted by Damborgson
that's how I'm feeling. I was re-reading the teams fight with Zabuza at the very beginning, much more entertaining than what's going on right now.
I think you've hit it much more solidly on the head with this statement. I, too, went through a thought process similar to yours about a year or two back. I just couldn't believe how good the manga was.
Originally posted by Astner
I don't see why Madara, with the Rinnegan, is placed above Hashirama. If you've been keeping up with their fight you should be knowing that they're pretty much locked in a standstill.
Here's a question: Should old-Madara be placed beneath Hashirama? I.e. Hashirama at SS+, non-Rinnegan Madara at SS?
Originally posted by Astner
I don't see why Madara, with the Rinnegan, is placed above Hashirama. If you've been keeping up with their fight you should be knowing that they're pretty much locked in a standstill.
He was only shown using Perfect Susano'o for most of their skirmish, and he'd only gotten serious once the Shinju returned.
That said, yeah, Hashirama is a BAMF, to the point that he could be as powerful as, if not more than, Edo Madara.
Originally posted by Q99
Here's a question: Should old-Madara be placed beneath Hashirama? I.e. Hashirama at SS+, non-Rinnegan Madara at SS?
Hashirama's definitely > EMS Madara, but I don't think he's an entire tier above him. After all, once Kurama was taken out of the picture, they still fought to the point where they both were exhausted.
Sage Mode makes a case for it though.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Hashirama's definitely > EMS Madara, but I don't think he's an entire tier above him. After all, once Kurama was taken out of the picture, they still fought to the point where they both were exhausted.Sage Mode makes a case for it though.
I'm also thinking of how much more flexible Hashirama was. Madara was a bit behind in a direct fight (after all, they were equal *after* Hashirama had to deal with Kurama), but Hashirama also can clone swarm, has apparently Tsunade-like healing, and so on...
Plus there is the matter that before the peace treaty, even the Uchiha thought they were losing, in large part due to Hashirama's strength. Madara was the only one who could put up a good fight with him, but overall Hashirama normally seemed to have the edge.
I think I'm going to side with Astner on this one.
Originally posted by Q99
I'm also thinking of how much more flexible Hashirama was. Madara was a bit behind in a direct fight (after all, they were equal *after* Hashirama had to deal with Kurama), but Hashirama also can clone swarm, has apparently Tsunade-like healing, and so on...Plus there is the matter that before the peace treaty, even the Uchiha thought they were losing, in large part due to Hashirama's strength. Madara was the only one who could put up a good fight with him, but overall Hashirama normally seemed to have the edge.
I think I'm going to side with Astner on this one.
Yeah, he was more versatile than EMS Madara.
Eh, only reason Kurama lasted as long as he did was because of Susano'o's protection. We saw how easily he was taken out of the battle once Hashirama busted through Susano'o.
Yeah, I'll change my stance as well. I forgot about the Gates he can summon, the ones that could subdue the Ten-Tails.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Yeah but all the sentimental garbage suggests a talk no jutsu...and then Naruto's face turns really dark and crap.
Was thinking the same thing.
Thinking about Obito's dream though, stuff would have been so damn different if Obito had been Hokage.
indeed, things really would have been different if he had become hokage. rather interesting to think on it, really. things would have turned out a hell of a lot better, I guess.
it'd probably in a way explain why he didn't try to attack them all when they were pulling out the bijus' chakra, assuming, of course he simply couldn't attack in that state.
