Naruto is what 17? Him being stronger than a sanin is bullshit. but I can ignore that as long as he doesn't beat Pein 1on1. I didn't see that happening before, but now it seems it may be setting up for that, I hope it doesn't go that cliche. but I still think Sasuke is going to show up before a winner is determined.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Even if he only beats the six bodies (and Konan) that's still ridiculous. The guy only trained for a week.In fact, him mastering sage mode in a week is retarded as well, Jiraiya practiced it his whole life and still could only do a partial transformation.
I think thats as modest as you can hope for. This is Naruto. and with all this build up, I don't see him not knocking around the bodies.
Originally posted by King KandyNaruto was able to use Shadow Clones to assist in his training, and fact is, Naruto IS more talented than Jiraiya, although I admit he should not have mastered them in a week, at least not to a level higher than Jiraiya has.
Even if he only beats the six bodies (and Konan) that's still ridiculous. The guy only trained for a week.In fact, him mastering sage mode in a week is retarded as well, Jiraiya practiced it his whole life and still could only do a partial transformation.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Not really, Naruto is a bona-fide genius who also has the largest chakra amount in the entire series.
Fact: If you wrote a character in a fanfic who easily eclipsed all the existing characters and duplicated their powers in a week, you WOULD get laughed off for making such a ridiculous Mary Sue.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Not really, Naruto is a bona-fide genius who also has the largest chakra amount in the entire series.
actually Kisame has the largest chakra capacity
if you remember, when team guy went up against a 30% doppleganger of Kisame, Neji said he had as much chakra as Naruto
i'm looking forward to his next fight
heh, random comment.
Anyway, the whole "get impossibly strong in a short amount of time" dealy is a staple of shonen main characters. Ichigo, Goku...uh...ichigo...they all have done that. And I'm sure it's gonna happen again.
Will Naruto be able to beat them?I think he'll almost do it, but someone is gonna interfere. If Kishi had any balls it would be Sasuke, but we all know he's gonna stretch out that fight for as long as possible...
Originally posted by stickman618
actually Kisame has the largest chakra capacityif you remember, when team guy went up against a 30% doppleganger of Kisame, Neji said he had as much chakra as Naruto
i'm looking forward to his next fight
No he didn't.
He said "I haven't seen a chakra capacity this large since Naruto."
Bug difference. Naruto has way more chakra than Kisame.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Dude, Pain has never lost a battle in his life and is the ****ing CHOSEN ONE who wields the power of the founder of all ninjutsu, plus six bodies that are >Kakashi by themselves.Naruto> 6x Kakashi + Konan + Nagato?
If Naruto wins then yes, that would be the biggest PIS in all history. ESPECIALLY if he keeps one-shotting them like he did with the Asura body.
DUDE!
Itachi never lost a fight in his life until the Sasuke one...and he was weak then.
There's tons of ninja who had never lost fights until...guess what? They died in a fight. 😐
Kakashi fought Nagato.
Yes, Naruto IS stronger than Kakashi by Kakashi's own admission. Naruto has been power amped beyond even Jiraiya's sage mode.
Looks like he has Tsunade's strength (if not more so), what looks like Kakashi's speed, his own Chakra levels, and a scrappy fighting style that Kakashi has called genius in it's own right.
I'm having a hard time seeing Naruto as weak in anyway. You do know that this is all about Naruto being badass, right? That's the whole point of the manga...average idiot working his ass off to beat the bad guys and make friends.
Originally posted by King Kandy
I know. Still, he compressed Jiraiya's... what, twenty years? INTO A WEEK! And now he's about to whoop the ass of someone who pwned everyone in Konoha easily and has city-destroying power. Oh yeah, and said person is also fated to change the world and has the power of basically the god/founder of all ninjas. Yeah, that would not be PIS at all.Fact: If you wrote a character in a fanfic who easily eclipsed all the existing characters and duplicated their powers in a week, you WOULD get laughed off for making such a ridiculous Mary Sue.
And Naruto did the rasengan in, what?, a week. Something that took the 4th a year or more and Jiraiya a year or more to do.
😐
OH GNOES! A young character being an absurdly strong genius.
Wait...hasn't that happened before?
Oh yeah, it has.
Itachi massacred his entire clan. He became the fuggin' Anbu leader at like 11. Kakashi did things similar.
So WHERE is the problem?
Also, I was the one whining several pages back about Naruto needing to come back and wipe the floor with Pain.
Now, it was soooooooooo PIS for a young man in his early 20s to become the hokage and defeat Madara, the super duper Sharingan user who had the Kyuubi with him. That's just retarded. I mean...geeez.
I mean, Naruto is soooooo weak and has no feats to his name. It would be sooooo PIS for him to beat Pain, even in sage mode.
Yeah, if Kakashi and Jiraiya had figured out Pain's technique and ability faster, I'm quite sure they would have been able to beat Pain or at least killed off a few before running out of Chakra. (Well, Sage mode....would be hard to run out of Chakra...I don't know if the user ever does as long as he keeps collecting it from the world around him...like a spirit bomb...teehee.)
The point is, Naruto is strong, he's a genius even among geniuses, he's a very loyal and kind person, and he always overcomes the seemingly impossible.
If you missed that, then you haven't been reading Naruto, any of you, and are missing the point of the entire manga. Which means you should stop reading it if you're going to whine about the main character doing the obvious and what was supposed to happen after literally hundreds of chapters.
Naruto is strong yes. And really i have no problem with that cuz its his manga. Him getting so strong in just a few weeks is ridiculous as well but still its his manga so i understand that as well. However, with his current techniques, there is no feasible way he can defeat all six pains without some heavy PIS. He is heavily outmatched in practically every department. Pain was way too overpowered
Originally posted by dadudemonIt's not a sure way just like it wasn't a sure way for Jiraiya. They still don't know all of Pein's abilities. And even with all of Naruto's powers he has never been that great of a fighter. He's just been able to trick the opponent and get that one lucky shot in most of the times. Though he's also always fought one guy. This time he's fighting five people, all stronger than his own master, along with Konan who isn't really known. Each with all different abilities also. One that absorbs chakra attacks, one that can deflect any attack away, one that can summon huge animals. Without Pein being severly weakened and unable to do that stuff how is Naruto suppose to actually get a hit in? Sure he can destroy like three bodies but two of the others working together should be just about impossible to beat and he'd actually have to get pass the last bodies summons to get to her.
I don't think he had a choice but to use the unclear picture from before.I agree, it looks too much like a rasengan.
The original scans they put up were really shitty quality. I couldn't really tell what was going on with that junk.
Now that it's clear, it's quite obviously a rasengan.
No, Naruto NOT winning would be PIS, imo. Just another excuse to drag it out.
Naruto should wipe the floor with Pain. I'm actually rather tired of Naruto NOT wiping the floor with everyone. How is Naruto mastering the sage technique NOT a sure way for him to win?
Naruto is at or above Sanin level. 😐
Don't believe it?
Is the Forth as strong as or stronger than a Sanin? Yes.
Has Naruto shown his father up except for jutsus? Yups.
Has Naruto surpassed the Sanin Jiraiya? In some ways, yes. Jutsus are still a weakness of Naruto's.
The only way Naruto has surpassed Jiraiya and the 4th is in their techniques. He completed the Rasengan and completed Sage Mode. Unless Naruto in a week or however long with Sage Mode became > 4-tailed then there is no way he's more powerful than normal Jiraiya much less HM Jiraiya. Though this match probably won't really give us a really good gauge after Pein's attack that leaves his strongest body weakened.
Originally posted by Final BlaxicanWasn't he referring to Naruto's Kyuubi form when they both fought?
No he didn't.He said "I haven't seen a chakra capacity this large since Naruto."
Bug difference. Naruto has way more chakra than Kisame.
Because if so, in terms of their natural chakras when Naruto isn't Kyuubi amped, Kisame does have more chakra.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Wasn't he referring to Naruto's Kyuubi form when they both fought?Because if so, in terms of their natural chakras when Naruto isn't Kyuubi amped, Kisame does have more chakra.
Dunno. But either way, you're reading the sentence wrong. Saying that he hasn't seen this much chakra since Naruto doesn't mean that Kisame does have the same amount of chakra as Naruto does. His point is that he hasn't seen an insanely high chakra capacity like that except for Naruto's.
Originally posted by Kento
It's not a sure way just like it wasn't a sure way for Jiraiya. They still don't know all of Pein's abilities. And even with all of Naruto's powers he has never been that great of a fighter. He's just been able to trick the opponent and get that one lucky shot in most of the times. Though he's also always fought one guy. This time he's fighting five people, all stronger than his own master, along with Konan who isn't really known. Each with all different abilities also. One that absorbs chakra attacks, one that can deflect any attack away, one that can summon huge animals. Without Pein being severely weakened and unable to do that stuff how is Naruto suppose to actually get a hit in? Sure he can destroy like three bodies but two of the others working together should be just about impossible to beat and he'd actually have to get pass the last bodies summons to get to her.
Naruto hasn't been lucky. Not lucky at all. He is literally a fighting genius as said by Kakashi. That can't be denied. Naruto won those fights through pure effort and intelligence. He's earned everyone of his victories through very hard work. He didn't have something like the Sharingan handed to him.
Originally posted by Kento
The only way Naruto has surpassed Jiraiya and the 4th is in their techniques.
(This is pretty much the only thing that needs to be addressed.)
True.
We won't know for sure until Naruto intelligently applies what he's learned.
Did Naruto ever learn the Toad fighting form?
Originally posted by Kento
He completed the Rasengan and completed Sage Mode. Unless Naruto in a week or however long with Sage Mode became > 4-tailed then there is no way he's more powerful than normal Jiraiya much less HM Jiraiya. Though this match probably won't really give us a really good gauge after Pein's attack that leaves his strongest body weakened.
Basing that on what?
Naruto, in a flash, destroyed one body, it didn't move out of the way even though the other Pein's cold clearly see ahead of them, and the Pein's did nothing to stop it. Shouldn't the same rules apply to Naruto as it did Jiraiya? Either Naruto's speed is significantly greater for even the extra eyes to help each other dodge, or it was PIS.
Seriously.
It's one or the other. I'm going with Naruto being that much improved.
On another note, do you agree that most to all current and former members of Akatsuki were at or above Sanin level?