The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I've always advocates that any MS user who has two eyes can use Susanoo. That's not the problem here. The problem is that Lakashi shouldn't be able to achieve perfect Susanoo on his first try considering his insanely low chakra levels, practice, and hatred.

It's not just Kakashi though. It's Kakashi and Obito. Obito is definitely someone who is proficient enough with doujutsu to use Perfect Susanoo.

And yeah, EMS was never a requirement for Perfect Susanoo. Indra proved that.

That said, this whole thing was just plain idiotic with how Perfect Susanoo was formed right off the bat. Sasuke should definitely have some higher version of Susanoo now.

Originally posted by dadudemon
This chapter...lol

Two WTF moments.

1. Obito now has the ability to overcome the afterlife, directly, by himself. Previously, only an outside party living in the real world could pull a spirit from the afterlife into the real world. Now, Obito can do this himself? lol Additionally, when spirits are brought from the afterlife, they do not remember the afterlife. So how would Obito know that he left the afterlife to give Kakashi the Sharingan? AHA! Gotcha, Kishimoto! I got you, b*tch! You ****ing troll me for almost 7 years and I finally got you by the balls you piece of shit! evillaugh

2. Kakashi has perfect susano'o, eh? lol It should be pointed out that EMS is NOT required to use a perfect Susano'o. Itachi did not have an EMS, just MS, and he could make a perfect Susano'o that is arguably STILL the most powerful Suasno'o (even greater than Madara's because it had the best offensive weapon and best defensive weapon in the manga). But here's the problem: Kakashi is not an uchiha so his sharingan is not going to be an EMS. Unless Kishimoto writes some sort of plot that says that the eyes only need to be transplanted into someone else (and also retcon that fact that Kakashi was not going blind like he indicated to Itachi). I really have no idea how Kishimoto is going to logically and intelligently handle this. Maybe he will have Naruto just continually heal him when his eyes wear down?

Anyway, hilarious chapter. Kishimoto is trolling the f*ck out of us and I love it. 🙂

1. Kakashi remembered speaking to his father after Nagato revived him.

2. EMS isn't a requirement. Indra proved that.
Itachi never had Perfect Susanoo though. He had the level before that. And unlike Indra, Kakashi, Madara, & Sasuke, his Susanoo didn't have a lower body.
Itachi's the only known Susanoo user who hasn't unlocked Perfect Susanoo. >__>

I'm guessing that Kakashi will lose the Sharingan once Obito returns back to the afterlife/limbo.

Originally posted by dadudemon
logically and intelligently

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Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I don't remember Sasuke actually using Perfec Susanoo at that point. Heck he didn't even use the cloaked version of it.

What he covered Naruto's Bijuu mode with was Perfect Susanoo. Look at the eye-holes, nose and the shoulder pads.

Originally posted by Astner
Next thing you know Naruto will activate his Sharingan and Sasuke will summon the eleven-tailed beast.

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I feel bad for Sakura. She puts in the time and effort to get strong. Kakashi just gets more help from a kid. Shame.

Originally posted by danteiscool
Valid assessment, AuraAngel. Still doesn't quite make things okay.

Nope. This is pretty dumb.

Originally posted by yungz22
Sage obito was nowhere near hagaromo or sage madara. And hagoromo never crossed the plane between the living hes dead. His chakra is just passed down through the generations of reincarnations of his sons

And obito has hashiramas cells if he could do it he would have

I know. Just pointing out that Obito did at one point have Sage's powers. So bestowing eyes is not something new.

Well no. Remember Obito was on borrowed time. He was only living because Naruto gave him enough chakra/life force to keep going for a bit. Both of them make it clear that this is a temporary thing.

Originally posted by dadudemon
This chapter...lol

Additionally, when spirits are brought from the afterlife, they do not remember the afterlife. So how would Obito know that he left the afterlife to give Kakashi the Sharingan? AHA! Gotcha, Kishimoto! I got you, b*tch! You ****ing troll me for almost 7 years and I finally got you by the balls you piece of shit! evillaugh

Anyway, hilarious chapter. Kishimoto is trolling the f*ck out of us and I love it. 🙂

Not gonna say you're wrong but the thing with Obito and Rin is more like Kakashi and his dad. Where they're in a sort of limbo before they "move on." And while he never brings up specifics, this page seems to indicate that Kakashi does remember what happened there. The after life in Naruto is a confusing thing.

Yeah I love it. Obito Uchiha will never die. Shame cause his ability to come back to the real world actually had some nice potential in a completely not trolling way.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I don't think Itachi had Perfect Susanoo. Sure he had the cloaked final version but it wasn't biju sized nor did it have the samurai armor.

I don't know if it was "perfect" but it was complete and with armor. It was also very large: biju sized. It was comparable to the size of Orochimaru's Eight Branches snake. The Eight Branches snake is larger than Manda. Manda is comparable to biju in size. The reason this is true is because Manda is on the same scale of size as Gamabunta:

http://www.mangapanda.com/93-55672-10/naruto/chapter-503.html

Here is the Eight Branches snake:

http://www.mangapanda.com/93-397-7/naruto/chapter-392.html

And here are the two compared, side by side (keep in mind that the Eight Branches snake is larger than biju because it is larger than Manda and Manda is comprable to biju in size):

http://www.mangapanda.com/93-397-8/naruto/chapter-392.html

Finally, here is Itachi absorbing the rest of the Eight Branches snake:

http://www.mangapanda.com/93-397-15/naruto/chapter-392.html

Those two are comparable in size.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
1. Kakashi remembered speaking to his father after Nagato revived him.

The how do we explain the loss of memories from other revivals?

It is not that my point is perfectly correct, it that Kishimoto has written himself into a plothole that he needs to explain.

I could argue that Kishimoto could explain his problem away with "rinnigan users can negate the memory wiping effect of summoning from the afterlife." Keep in mind that the memories wiped are of the afterlife: not the person's real life.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
2. EMS isn't a requirement. Indra proved that.
Itachi never had Perfect Susanoo though. He had the level before that. And unlike Indra, Kakashi, Madara, & Sasuke, his Susanoo didn't have a lower body.
Itachi's the only known Susanoo user who hasn't unlocked Perfect Susanoo. >__>

I'm guessing that Kakashi will lose the Sharingan once Obito returns back to the afterlife/limbo.

Before I botch this up anymore, what is the difference between "perfect susano'o" and "complete susano'o"?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
What he covered Naruto's Bijuu mode with was Perfect Susanoo. Look at the eye-holes, nose and the shoulder pads.

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I guess that's Perfect Susanoo but he could've used it a lot more often.

As for Itachi, again I was incorrect about the size but it wasn't perfect susanoo. Sasuke achieved that level of Susanoo before he started to go blind.

Looking back I feel kind of cheated since we never actually got to see the Eight Branches do anything.

Some people are really taking Obito at his word that Kakashi will be the Sixth Hokage. I thought it was pretty clear he was just saying that as an excuse to give him the Sharingan?

It's fitting that Obito reverted to a 12 year old in the afterlife cause his motivation as a villain certainly are on par of those with a ****ing 12 year old.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
1. Kakashi remembered speaking to his father after Nagato revived him.

Originally posted by AuraAngel

Not gonna say you're wrong but the thing with Obito and Rin is more like Kakashi and his dad. Where they're in a sort of limbo before they "move on." And while he never brings up specifics, this page seems to indicate that Kakashi does remember what happened there. The after life in Naruto is a confusing thing.

Sniped you beeyotch.

Originally posted by dadudemon
The how do we explain the loss of memories from other revivals?

It is not that my point is perfectly correct, it that Kishimoto has written himself into a plothole that he needs to explain.

I could argue that Kishimoto could explain his problem away with "rinnigan users can negate the memory wiping effect of summoning from the afterlife." Keep in mind that the memories wiped are of the afterlife: not the person's real life.

Dunno. Like Aura suggested, it could be that Kakashi and Obito hadn't yet gotten into the 'proper' afterlife, and were in some state of limbo. Sakumo Hatake mentioned that he could 'move on' and meet his wife after he spoke to Kakashi.

Wouldn't be the first time Kishimoto has written himself into plotholes.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Before I botch this up anymore, what is the difference between "perfect susano'o" and "complete susano'o"?

Honestly, I'm not sure what each stage is called.

Itachi's version is like this version of Sasuke's Susanoo.

Madara called this his "complete body/perfect body Susanoo." Then he went on to stabilize his Susanoo. That stabilized version is what Indra, Kakashi and Sasuke have shown, and is the highest known form. I believe that's what everyone refers to as Perfect Susanoo. So really, 'Perfect Susanoo' is that complete bodied Susanoo that dwarves meteorites. There's just two versions, the initial, and the stabilized.

As big as Itachi's Susanoo is, it is nowhere near the same size as the Perfect Susanoo.

I mean its now pretty badass i would say kakashi now has sharrigan in both eyes is kinda badass but at the same he doesnt have the uchia blood line so will his chakra be drained even faster?

At the same time obito said the limbo world and the living world are connected so because his eyes can travel into demensions so that is why he could travel between the limbo world and the living world.

now heres the question will he need his eyes to able to travel back? or he will go back to the other world leaving kakashi with the eyes?

Its all bullshit..... I dont mind kakashi having two sharingan its just the way kishi went about it is retarded and makes zero sense

I mind Kakashi having the pair of Sharingan and the Perfect Susano'o because it basically means Kakashi is worthless without the eye. Kishi really should have figured out a way to get Kakashi a chance to shine without having to have the character fall back on Obito's Sharingan to do anything.

As is Obito may as well not have died for all the difference it made.

Yeah, chapter was pretty shit.

So does anyone else think the power levels in Naruto are just stupid at this point? I mean we get told how legendary & amazing guys like the third hokage or jiraiya are and they look like complete a** when compared to some of these random Edo summon characters and past kage.

I mean does anyone see Hiruzen at Kakashi's level? Or Base Obito level? Pre Rinnegan Sasuke level? Vs. Pain Naruto level? Kisame's level? I mean its just dumb imho.

Ever since the Ten-Tails was introduced, Kishi made it clear that if you don't have special eyes, bijuu chakra, or some old/dead person's chakra, your contribution and significance in a fight will be minimal. Gamakichi and Tobirama are the only exceptions I can think of.

I'd count Gai, but Madara simply regenerated.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Ever since the Ten-Tails was introduced, Kishi made it clear that if you don't have special eyes, bijuu chakra, or some old/dead person's chakra, your contribution and significance in a fight will be minimal. Gamakichi and Tobirama are the only exceptions I can think of.

I'd count Gai, but Madara simply regenerated.

Orochimaru has been significantly helpful.

Indeed. That was the lamest shit. Also highlights why I dislike Kakashi needing to rely on his dead pal. While Guy is being a manly man, Kakashi just seems rather boring. Even Sakura is trying more than Kakashi had been.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Ever since the Ten-Tails was introduced, Kishi made it clear that if you don't have special eyes, bijuu chakra, or some old/dead person's chakra, your contribution and significance in a fight will be minimal. Gamakichi and Tobirama are the only exceptions I can think of.

I'd count Gai, but Madara simply regenerated.

So...I know Kakashi has Obito's Sharingan but I wonder if he got the ability to beat up death like Obito.

Its not even perfect susanoo.... Kakashi's looks exactly like madara' final susanoo

Originally posted by zslick
I mean its now pretty badass i would say kakashi now has sharrigan in both eyes is kinda badass but at the same he doesnt have the uchia blood line so will his chakra be drained even faster?