Well something in my mind that makes what Madara said questionable is how afterwards he was taking about how Itachi didn't want Sasuke to meet Madara, because he knew Madara could get Sasuke to join him. This makes me think Madara just said whatever he could to get Sasuke's teamwork, and that it wasn't something Itachi would have approved of.
obviously
on the same token, madara knows sasuke doesn't trust him further than the history lesson. most likely madara just needs sasuke for his schemes and will try to kill him later once he amasses enough power.
cause at the end of the day, madara is immortal, and he could have stayed in hidding for another 100 years till all his oppossition died then take over, he obviously needs uchihas for his main plan.
I think it's pretty obvious Madara said what would get Sasuke to join him..But nothing Itachi has done really disproves what Madara said about Itachi involving Sasuke. From Itachi never killing Sasuke to Itachi giving Naruto something in case Madara got a hold of him to trying to keep Sasuke from Madara who seems to be the manipulating type. The reason Itachi killed the clan, the whole Kyuubi thing, and the stuff about the Senju brothers could be true, partly-true, or just false, who knows even though I think most of it is only half truths.
I doubt Itachi would approve of Madara telling him anything about what happened..Be it true or a lie. After all Itachi knows Sasuke well enough to figure out Sasuke would go after Konoha's Elders..which I think Madara was counting on. If Madara hadn't of interfered Sasuke would have 'killed' Itachi and then set his sights on searching for Madara..but not really knowing where to look more than likely while thinking half his revenge was over.
Hmm... we see this opposite ways then. I can see most of the history being plausible but not the Itachi fight theory. It just seems to contradictory to the fight itself, and what is known of Itachi outside of Madara's speech. I am 100% certain Madara was lying about things in that speech and i'm willing to bet it's mainly the "Itachi really loved you" stuff.
On another note, i'm intensely curious as to what Madara's referring to here and what significance it will have in the future. Just what secret to killing Madara did Itachi apparently think he knew but didn't?
I think some of the history is truth..But he's not telling everything..and he's making himself out to be the hero..Probably because in his mind he was right and the Senju were wrong. Just like Shodai or Nidai would probably tell it to better suit them but again it would only be half the story and half the truth. The only thing I think he's completely lying about is Kyuubi.
Itachi's whole character during the Sasuke battle was..out of character for Itachi. He acted crazy yet he's always been the calm type. And again...Sasuke didn't have MS which is needed for EMS which is what Itachi "said" he wanted and was going to take Sasuke's eyes. There wasn't any reason to take Sasuke's eyes in that fight at all..And Itachi would know this. Sasuke on the other hand probably sorta overlooked the fact that you need two MS to get what Itachi wanted by the fact his brother was trying to "kill" him. As for Itachi's character outside of Madara's story...He seems to actively avoid battles he could easily win unless he has to. He let Kisame do most the fighting in Konoha except when Kurenai specifically tried to genjutsu him. The only times he didn't was against Sasuke. I think he left Sasuke alive..more as guilt than love though. But I don't think he actually wanted to ever kill Sasuke just the opposite. For Sasuke to kill him. I mean I think he probably liked his brother more than anybody else also...but still I think guilt was more of a factor than love. A way to atone for it sorta.
I think the Space/Time jutsu is the thing he kept secret. That is what saved him from Amaterasu anyway. Itachi being smarter than just about anybody would probably have figured out it's weakness.
Eh I always just assumed each MS has different abilities anyway..And Madara's was his whole phasing/teleporting thing. Like how Itachi has his three, and Kakashi has Kamui, and Sasuke hasn't shown anything except Amaterasu which was given to him by Itachi anyway but I assume he's got one of his own which we'll see against Madara or Naruto.
Originally posted by Kento
Eh I always just assumed each MS has different abilities anyway..And Madara's was his whole phasing/teleporting thing. Like how Itachi has his three, and Kakashi has Kamui, and Sasuke hasn't shown anything except Amaterasu which was given to him by Itachi anyway but I assume he's got one of his own which we'll see against Madara or Naruto.
Again though Sasuke was given Itachi's abilities. It's never specifically said Amaterasu was the only one given. Didn't that also hurt his eyes like Amaterasu does? I still think Sasuke's going to get a new eye technique. Besides the fact it's Sasuke...nothing Itachi had would really beat Madara. And I don't see Naruto being the one to beat Madara.
Personally I'd like Naruto to change Nagato and Nagato be the one to defeat Madara. But that's unlikely to happen.
It's possible. But I think your reading to much into Madara's words. I think Madara's secrets from Itachi was about himself not a hidden eye technique of Itachi's.
I want to know how Itachi figured out he was alive though. Out of the hundreds of people in Konoha only Itachi realized it. I mean really the 4th, Oro, Sarutobi. All genius in their own rights and Itachi is the only one to somehow find out Madara is alive. Though I guess Jiraiya does think that 4th knew Madara was alive..but nobody knows for sure. And still it's not like Itachi at six would've gotten his info from the 4th. I doubt they ever really met.
Doesn't Madara say Itachi figured out he was still alive and came to him not the other way around? And Oro was in Madara's club. As for Saru, he wasn't a follower or promoter of the Senju ways the elders just overruled things. And Yondy..well apparently he found out though I doubt we'll ever know the truth unless we get a Yondy gaiden or Madara tells us. Neither seem that likely. Just because the elders do most of the ruling doesn't mean somebody like Oro, or Saru would be unable to find out about Madara.
Originally posted by dadudemon1. That's one of the most basic Sharingan techniques actually. The only jutsu ever used against Kakashi was Tsukiyomi, which does not work like most Genjutsu. All Sharingans can see through and reverse Sharingan.
No. Itachi can do that one weird Genjutsu thing with the eyes. Remember when Itachi and Sasuke kept going, "AHA! It is I who got you." "AHA! No no, it is I who got YOU!" "AHA! I was just tricking you the first time into thinking that I thought I had you so that I could get you after you thought you got me because I thought I had gotten you. AHA!"Yeah, that eye technique is not something Kakashi can do, which is why he was pwned by Itachi for "72 hours".
See my above post to Kento pants on that.
And, you're basing that on Madara's words to Sasuke, which could turn out to be a lie.
Doesn't it seem likely that Madara told Sasuke that to get Sasuke all excited so he would go back and destroy Konoha for him?
I don't remember that.
So? You don't recognize the difference?
That means that one is a blood line limit, the other was discovered and employed through hard work.
2. ...You just stated yes that people still believe that.
I'm also basing it on Itachi's final line in the series to Sasuke, which was based on how he told Sasuke "Next time" referring to playing with his bro, stating that there "won't be a next time" and showing the smiling, kind bro Sasuke remembered. Yes I am aware of how gay my previous sentence sounds.
Sure, Madara may of lied, might not. But evidence points to Itachi not wanting to kill him.
3. Think it was stated in the Databooks or some shit.
4. Blood Line limits can still require hand signs, such as Haku's Hyoton jutsus, and exactly, you have to hone your skillz to use less or no hand signs in battle. Oh, and their is still no proof that Madara's time/space jutsu is linked to his Sharingan.
It certainly doesn't look like Madara's time space jutsu is tied to his Sharingan. Afterall, every single Sharingan technique involves LOOKING at the opponent, which is why Might Guy's feet thing is the only way(so far) to counter the Sharingan(I've been waiting for the obvious Satoichi/blind ninja guy to pop up for a long time now).
Kakashi's time space move involved him looking at Deidara.
Madara phased Naruto through him without even looking at him, iirc.