The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Um, yeah he actually did...He described it as taking his body from their dimension, making him intangible to them. Teleporting is no movement whatsoever. It is moving from one spot to another without physically crossing distance between said points. That is what Madara does. 😐

But he still has it. 😐 Pain's Deva Realm statue jutsu has not been explained by him, does that mean he does not have it?

Yeah, it does.

Teleport: To travel from one point to another without physically crossing the distance between the two points

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=define:teleport&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title

Madara is able to move from one point to another without physically moving between said points, that is teleportation by definition.

You're wrong, my friend. Seriously, you are precisely wrong.

It took a bit, but I found what I was referring to earlier.

Have a looksie:

Let's reiterate, "No, it wasn't teleportation."

Kakashi then says, "Which means he used a space/time jutsu in that situation?"

If it's space/time manipulation, then it's not teleportation. Get it?

In other words, this again:

Originally posted by dadudemon
That's why I contradicted this post:

[b]"He instantaneously moves from one spot to another without actually travelling any distance.

As fast as light is, it still has to travel distance.

Speed is distance travelled per unit in time, however Madara's jutsu, a teleport, takes distance completely out of the equation, and the time it takes never changes.

So while I would admit that to go short distances it may be technically slower than light rethinking it, a longer distance would take less time than even light."[/B]

Your claims here have no solid backing. Kakashi never said the above. (Believe me, I checked.)

What Kakashi says on Tobi's shit is exactly on those two pages (the one I post and the one after.)

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You can't compare the Naruto definition of teleportation with the ACTUAL one. What Shino was saying was a teleportation jutsu was just high speed movement.

If Tobi didn't teleport out of the bugs, what else could you call it?

Originally posted by dadudemon
You're wrong, my friend. Seriously, you are precisely wrong.

It took a bit, but I found what I was referring to earlier.

Have a looksie:

Let's reiterate, "No, it wasn't teleportation."

Kakashi then says, "Which means he used a space/time jutsu in that situation?"

If it's space/time manipulation, then it's not teleportation. Get it?

In other words, this again:

Your claims here have no solid backing. Kakashi never said the above. (Believe me, I checked.)

What Kakashi says on Tobi's shit is exactly on those two pages (the one I post and the one after.)

In closing, you're wrong I'm right. Nya nya nya! 😛

And according to Shino, he went to one point to another with no real movement. Which according to the dictionary, is teleportation.

Dictionary>>>Kishimoto.

This should not be surprising, according to Kishimoto, lightning types are strong against rock. I played Pokemon, so I know that is bullshit.

And manipulation of space/time is almost a requirement for Madara's form of teleportation.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Then Kishimoto is an idiot who doesn't know the definition of teleportation. That is really all that can be said about that. Definition-wise, it IS teleportation, no matter what Shino or Kishimoto say.

And according to Shino, he went to one point to another with no real movement. Which according to the dictionary, is teleportation.

Dictionary>>>Kishimoto.

This should not be surprising, according to Kishimoto, lightning types are strong against rock. I played Pokemon, so I know that is bullshit.

And manipulation of space/time is almost a requirement for Madara's form of teleportation.

The difference between teleportation and using a space/time jutsu are explained in the manga quite well for you to see, bro. space/time manipulation, even from a real world physics stand point, is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>teleportation. Also, Kishi is making it a point to show that teleporting would leave a way for Shino to trace which direction he went. A "wake" if you will. Kishi did an excellent job of handling this without going in to too many "advanced physics" details.

Space/Time manipulation can do more than just transport you from point A to B instantaneously(which IS teleportation), it can make you intangible, and allow you to warp people to other dimensions.

And the manga's definition for teleportation is wrong, or at least not wholly correct.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Space/Time manipulation can do more than just transport you from point A to B instantaneously(which IS teleportation), it can make you intangible, and allow you to warp people to other dimensions.

And the manga's definition for teleportation is wrong, or at least not wholly correct.

It is correct in the manga's context. Madara doesn't just move from point A to point B. That would be teleportation. That would also leave a wake for Shino's bugs to sense. Kishi made it a point in his manga to point that out.

Also, technically, space/time manipulation means he could travel through space and TIME. Madara could, by a physics definition, go backwards and forwards in time and alternate universes/dimensions.

Originally posted by dadudemon
It is correct in the manga's context. Madara doesn't just move from point A to point B. That would be teleportation. That would also leave a wake for Shino's bugs to sense. Kishi made it a point in his manga to point that out.

Also, technically, space/time manipulation means he could travel through space and TIME. Madara could, by a physics definition, go backwards and forwards in time and alternate universes/dimensions.

Never been done, there has yet to be a character who could travel through time, and if there was, he would be the single most powerful character in the series. And time and space are considered to be the two components of the spacetime continuum, so what makes sense to me is Madara can exit and enter the Naruto spacetime continuum at will.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
He doesn't move at all. He instantaneously goes from point A to B without moving or crossing any physical distance, that is teleporting. Kishimoto is wrong.

I'm glad you're disagreeing with cannon just for the sake of being right. The fact is, there's a difference between space/time manipulation and teleportation. Teleportation leaves a wake between the two locations...a wake that can be tracked. Even if no time passes to the "normal" world, apparently, in Naruto, there is some sort of trail that connects the two points. (Point A and point B.) You can disagree with this only on the outside of the Naruto universe, but within it, you are wrong in your interpretation of Naruto. In fact, you could be wrong in your interpretation of Naruto even in the real world. If no time passes relative to the rest of the world's clock time, then it would fit the definition of teleportation, now wouldn't it?

We do know that it is NOT teleportation. Shino made sure to let us know that.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Never been done, there has yet to be a character who could travel through time, and if there was, he would be the single most powerful character in the series. And time and space are considered to be the two components of the spacetime continuum, so what makes sense to me is Madara can exit and enter the Naruto spacetime continuum at will.

If Kishimoto was to follow real world physics, Madara would be EXACTLY the same as Hiro Nakamura. Since it's fiction and Kishi can write his universe any way he wants, it appears that Madara can't manipulate space/time in the way true manipulation would occur. We know that it is fantasy and has its own set of rules because of things like Chakra and jutsus. 😐

i think space/time manipulation in the manga is limited to covering a distance in no time at all, in other words, no acceleration or velocity... i think

Originally posted by stickman618
i think space/time manipulation in the manga is limited to covering a distance in no time at all, in other words, no acceleration or velocity... i think

Which was Raiden's point, earlier. That would be teleportation and not space/time manipulation.

This series needs more Sakura. She is the most interesting, most powerful character in the series, and deserves her shot in the spotlight. I can't understand why Kishimoto would waste his time telling his story using a bogus character like Naruto - a bonafide waste of a hero with no talent.

Originally posted by Quincy
This series needs more Sakura. She is the most interesting, most powerful character in the series, and deserves her shot in the spotlight. I can't understand why Kishimoto would waste his time telling his story using a bogus character like Naruto - a bonafide waste of a hero with no talent.

LOL

You serious? I would say Naruto is stronger than Sakura in Sage mode. Based on Naruto's learning curve, he could learn to do the medical ninja strength in a week. If he did that while in sage mode, he could bruise the moon.

I'm glad to see Pein is still in this. My guess about the other Peins being absorbed wasn't far off the mark, so I bet some other Peins were revived as well and are just waiting.

Originally posted by Quincy
This series needs more Sakura. She is the most interesting, most powerful character in the series, and deserves her shot in the spotlight. I can't understand why Kishimoto would waste his time telling his story using a bogus character like Naruto - a bonafide waste of a hero with no talent.

I respectfully disagree

This show needs more Gaara

uhuh

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm glad you're disagreeing with cannon just for the sake of being right. The fact is, there's a difference between space/time manipulation and teleportation. Teleportation leaves a wake between the two locations...a wake that can be tracked. Even if no time passes to the "normal" world, apparently, in Naruto, there is some sort of trail that connects the two points. (Point A and point B.) You can disagree with this only on the outside of the Naruto universe, but within it, you are wrong in your interpretation of Naruto. In fact, you could be wrong in your interpretation of Naruto even in the real world. If no time passes relative to the rest of the world's clock time, then it would fit the definition of teleportation, now wouldn't it?

We do know that it is NOT teleportation. Shino made sure to let us know that.

If Kishimoto was to follow real world physics, Madara would be EXACTLY the same as Hiro Nakamura. Since it's fiction and Kishi can write his universe any way he wants, it appears that Madara can't manipulate space/time in the way true manipulation would occur. We know that it is fantasy and has its own set of rules because of things like Chakra and jutsus. 😐

2. And this is relevant to the discussion how?

My point was that according to real world definition, Madara is teleporting, so if I want to call it teleportation, I bloody well can.

Originally posted by King-Fingolfin
I respectfully disagree

This show needs more Gaara

uhuh

amen brother

well, only he can still use powerful sand jutsu

i have a feeling that toward the end of the manga, they'll reseal the ichibi in Gaara

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. I was never arguing what it was in Naruto canon, in Naruto canon electricity>>>Rock, I am well aware of the stupidity on the part of Kishimoto in the series, but by definition, what Madara does IS teleportation, not by Naruto definition, but by real definition, that has always been my point.]

When discussing Naruto, it's not teleporting. That directly contradicts what is written. If you call it teleporting, you are wrong. Simple as that. And, no, it is NOT teleporting. Even in the real world. He is phasing parts of his body of this universe. That would be space/time manipulation, just as it is in Naruto. When he "teleported", it was telportation only from a superficial perspective. Actually, what he did was manipulate space/time.

And, you're wrong about your definition. You just want to be right. You're wrong on all accounts.

Teleportation - A hypothetical method of transportation in which matter or information is dematerialized, usually instantaneously, at one point and recreated at another.

1. It's hypothetical.
2. It's sci fi
3. You're wrong.
4. You're wrong.
5. Profit?

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
[B]2. And this is relevant to the discussion how?

My point was that according to real world definition, Madara is teleporting, so if I want to call it teleportation, I bloody well can.

Then you'd be wrong by doing so. You could make your point agree with by a particle physicist, but really no one else. Even then, a particle physicist may tell you that teleportation is a sci-fi word that is not the same thing as space/time manipulation.

When discussing Naruto, it's not teleporting. That directly contradicts what is written. If you call it teleporting, you are wrong in the real world and fantasy world. Simple as that.

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I don't care what Kishimoto says it is. In terms of real word definitions, Kishimoto is fallible. In Naruto, it is not teleporting. IRL, it would be considered teleportation.

Noice, using only one of the many definitions of teleport.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=define:teleport&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title

To travel from one point to another without physically crossing the distance between the two points

teleportation - When an object disappears from one place and reappears in another.

teleportation - is the strange, unusual or paranormal movement of an object to another place

teleportation - moving (portation) over a distance (tele). It involves being or getting somewhere without using the conventional modes of travel, which during Biblical times were primarily walking and assing.

All of those definitions can be contrasted with what Madara's time/space jutsu does. Space/time manipulation is a tool he uses to teleport, he is still teleporting. Just like it is a tool he uses to allow attacks to phase through him.

According to Kishimoto's Narutoverse, I am wrong. But according to IRL definitions, Kishimoto is wrong, and I am right. That is my point. According to IRL definitions, Madara is teleporting, Kishimoto can never change that.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
I don't care what Kishimoto says it is.

You should because the basic definition from dictionary.com agrees with him. 😐

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
In terms of real word definitions, Kishimoto is fallible. In Naruto, it is not teleporting. IRL, it would be considered teleportation.

No, it wouldn't. Kishi used the main definition, obviously. Kishi also has many choices of interpretations. Teleportation was not what you thought it was. You're wrong. Real world and fantasy world.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Noice, using only one of the many definitions of teleport.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=define:teleport&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title

To travel from one point to another without physically crossing the distance between the two points

teleportation - When an object disappears from one place and reappears in another.

teleportation - is the strange, unusual or paranormal movement of an object to another place

teleportation - moving (portation) over a distance (tele). It involves being or getting somewhere without using the conventional modes of travel, which during Biblical times were primarily walking and assing.

Great. All of them are wrong in context. You failed.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
All of those definitions can be contrasted with what Madara's time/space jutsu does.

You mean "compared."

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Space/time manipulation is a tool he uses to teleport, he is still teleporting.

No, he uses a space/time jutsu which is specifically NOT teleporting.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Just like it is a tool he uses to allow attacks to phase through him.

Sorry, you're wrong again. He uses space/time manipulation to phase certain parts of his body of out existence and back in. He doesn't teleport by changing some matter into energy and placing it somewhere else in this plane.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
According to Kishimoto's Narutoverse,

And real world. You're forgetting that teleportation is turning matter into energy so it can be moved at the speed of light to another location. Sci-fi stuff.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
I am wrong.

You are correct.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
But according to IRL definitions,

You're still wrong.

Here, read this, newb.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleportation

"Teleportation is the transfer of matter from one place to another, more or less instantaneously, either by paranormal means or through technological artifice. Teleportation has been widely utilized in works of science fiction."

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Kishimoto is wrong, and I am right.

Kishi is right on both accounts and your are wrong on both accounts.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
That is my point.

Which is wrong. Your point was never right, no matter how many times you say it. It was wrong from the beginning.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
According to IRL definitions,

You're wrong.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Madara is teleporting,

Madara is NOT teleporting, according to "IRL definitions".

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Kishimoto can never change that.

There's not need to because he's right. You can never change that. With so much evidence stacked against you coupled with the fact that it is fiction (lending itself even more to the primary/commonly used version of teleportation) makes you wrong on all fronts. Kishi is right. You're wrong. You were wrong about that stuff up about what Kakashi said, as well.

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