Originally posted by dadudemonhttp://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/psychic
I've already posted my definition, and cited the source. I've also posted the Wiki article which opens with the main definition. It is a sci fi term. You can read all about the etymology and it's origins. It is quite simply, turning matter into energy, and moving that energy and then turning it back into matter. Gene Rodenberry pretty much solidified the use of teleportation.Also, that definition does mention two fantasy or sci fi uses. Technological means, or psychic means. Madara didn't do/use either. 😐
"1. of or relating to the psyche"
He uses it with his mind, which is true.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dematerialize
To become immaterial basically, which he does when using his time/space jutsu.
http://www.answers.com/topic/teleportation
"A hypothetical method of transportation in which matter or information is dematerialized, usually instantaneously, at one point and recreated at another."
All "main" definitions, and support that Madara teleported.
Great chapter, I didn't expect that hungry ghost pain could depower Naruto like this, he's more lethal than I thought... I guess facing a non-sage ninja he could probably wipe out their chakra in a matter of seconds... very powerful. Meanwhile Deva Pein seems to have almost limitless power as long as he spaces his techniques a bit.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Don't forget, Killer Bee still said he would destroy Konoha. He could come at any moment and save the day.
Kirabi never said that, you're thinking of that one Kishi interview that no one could tell if it were real or not.
Naruto will somehow escape, and summon his last shadow clone
or, the kyuubi will get extracted, Tsunade will pull a Chiyo, Naruto will now be able to fuse with little frog man, and he'll be able to stay in sage mode as long as he needs to
but i don't think the Kyuubi will ever be extracted, the whole point of his character is "there's a demon inside a boy"
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/psychic"1. of or relating to the psyche"
He uses it with his mind, which is true.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dematerialize
To become immaterial basically, which he does when using his time/space jutsu.
http://www.answers.com/topic/teleportation
"A hypothetical method of transportation in which matter or information is dematerialized, usually instantaneously, at one point and recreated at another."
All "main" definitions, and support that Madara teleported.
You've already proved that you're not good with using definitions. It's not wonder that you've failed yet again.
The first definition is very obviously NOT the correct definition for what it means by "pychic".
The second definition supports what I've been telling you over and over and over again, however, it is not a counter to my pointing out that Madara did not manipulate space/time with technology. I see nothing in your post by self pwnage.
Also, you'll never get your revenge. evillaugh
Originally posted by dadudemonI can't use definitions? And why would that be? Because I'm not the kind of ignoramus to look at only one specific meaning of the word and ignore all of the others which made my usage of the word correct? You're smarter than this, are you trolling?
You've already proved that you're not good with using definitions. It's not wonder that you've failed yet again.The first definition is very obviously NOT the correct definition for what it means by "pychic".
The second definition supports what I've been telling you over and over and over again, however, it is not a counter to my pointing out that Madara did not manipulate space/time with technology. I see nothing in your post by self pwnage.
Also, you'll never get your revenge. evillaugh
Obviously not? Based on? Because according to my links, I am correct.
How? Considering Madara does in fact become immaterial to the Narutoverse when he uses the jutsu. A counter to him not using technology? I'll answer this when you look up the definition of "or."
Yeah, I'm nearly positive you are trolling at this point.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
I can't use definitions?
Obvious.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
And why would that be?
Well, I guess not obvious to some.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Because I'm not the kind of ignoramus to look at only one specific meaning of the word and ignore all of the others which made my usage of the word correct?
Wrong. I've already explained it to you many times. If you still haven't gotten it, there's something wrong with you. You were wrong the beginning. No matter how many times you post, you were still wrong.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
You're smarter than this, are you trolling?
You're obviously not. And I was beginning to think the same thing of you. Surely you can just admit you're wrong. I will start posting the same information over and over again, just like I did before.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Obviously not? Based on? Because according to my links, I am correct.
I'll let you wallow in your ignorance until you can figure it out. You're not stupid by any means.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
How? Considering Madara does in fact become immaterial to the Narutoverse when he uses the jutsu. A counter to him not using technology? I'll answer this when you look up the definition of "or."
It doesn't really matter that several of the definitions help your point when the main definition is the one being used AND that one disagrees with you. Since the Manga made quite clear to distinguish it is NOT a teleportation, you have no choice but to accept the main definition as the one being used. No matter how many ways you slice it, you're wrong. Even if he used the word incorrectly, that word can have any meaning in his fantasy universe.
Luckily, there's this thing called context. This allows context to equate to understood vernacular.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Yeah, I'm nearly positive you are trolling at this point.
Quite the opposite. I've entertained your "ignorance" this long. We both know that you were always wrong and you thought you had a way out so that you could save your ego and be right from a certain point of view. However, you were wrong, even there. You were shown, inexorably, your error yet you still will not give it up. At this point, you would be closer to trolling. However, neither of us are trolling. 😐
Shino specifically said it was not teleportation however he could be wrong and Madara just moved so fast the bugs could not track him. We don't even know how it works but since it has been said its not teleporting then we have to go with that. Even though in the real world if you can get from point A to B with out traveling the distance between them it would be considered teleporting.
Originally posted by Magee
Shino specifically said it was not teleportation however he could be wrong and Madara just moved so fast the bugs could not track him.
No, Shino's bugs could track teleportation because it leaves a wake. Matter to energy, energy travels, energy to matter.
Originally posted by Magee
We don't even know how it works but since it has been said its not teleporting then we have to go with that.
Well, no, we do know that it is the sort of teleporting that instantly moves from point A to point B. It leaves a wake that Shino can track. The only form of teleporting that would do that is the main form, matter to energy, travel at the speed of light, energy back to matter. It's not teleporting because no distance is traveled at all. It is a space/time manipulation.
Originally posted by Magee
Even though in the real world if you can get from point A to B with out traveling the distance between them it would be considered teleporting.
Under some definitions, yes. However, we know that a distinguishment was made and it is quite clear what is meant by teleporting. Therefore, by the real word definitions, and the Manga's use of the terms, teleporting is a defined term in the manga. We know what Shino meant. We know that Kakashi recognized it as space/time manipulation.
When a word has multiple meanings, and someone uses that word, the listener/reader has to determine which definition is being used. Once that is done, understanding/communication takes place. If one is unable to determine the intended use of a word, misunderstanding can take place. This is why my homie has been arguing about this for pages. If he wants to use a different definition for the word "teleportation" in his interpretation of the manga, he would be wrong on two fronts: in the manga and in the real world.
Originally posted by dadudemonI agree with this and that he most likely does use a space / time jutsu to move that fast.
Under some definitions, yes. However, we know that a distinguishment was made and it is quite clear what is meant by teleporting. Therefore, by the real word definitions, and the Manga's use of the terms, teleporting is a defined term in the manga. We know what Shino meant. We know that Kakashi recognized it as space/time manipulation.
It's all about context and as you said it has been established what Teleporting actually is in the Narutoverse which Madara did not do. In the real world it would be teleporting but since it is defined as high speed movement in Naruto, he did not teleport.
Originally posted by Magee
I agree with this and that he most likely does use a space / time jutsu to move that fast.
Cool.
Originally posted by Magee
It's all about context and as you said it has been established what Teleporting actually is in the Narutoverse which Madara did not do.
There's also another definition of teleporting in the real world which could mean what Shino inferred. There only definition in the real world that could leave any type of wake for his bugs to track would have to be the main, sci fi, version. (Matter to enteryg, transport, energy back to matter.) No other real world definition SHOULD leave a wake.
Originally posted by Magee
In the real world it would be teleporting but since it is defined as high speed movement in Naruto, he did not teleport.
It is not defined as high speed movement in Naruto. It has only between distinguished as not being a space/time manipulation and that if it were teleportation, it would leave a track-able wake. Since it is 100% space/time manipulation, we know for a fact, based on what Shino said, that it isn't teleporting. I agree that there is still room to doubt, however, it seems fairly definitive that Kishi is using the common use for teleporting. He writes fiction, so it should be assumed that it is the sci fi definition, however, it was made even more obvious that that was what he intended because of Shino's comments. No other definition can fit the criteria set in Naruto so we can only assume it to be he main use.
Originally posted by dadudemonThat would still leave a "trail" for his bugs to track.
There's also another definition of teleporting in the real world which could mean what Shino inferred. There only definition in the real world that could leave any type of wake for his bugs to track would have to be the main, sci fi, version. (Matter to enteryg, transport, energy back to matter.) No other real world definition SHOULD leave a wake.
Originally posted by dadudemonSo like I said, teleporting is high speed movement in Naruto regardless of the fact it would not be in the real world.
It is not defined as high speed movement in Naruto. It has only between distinguished as not being a space/time manipulation and that if it were teleportation, it would leave a track-able wake. Since it is 100% space/time manipulation, we know for a fact, based on what Shino said, that it isn't teleporting. I agree that there is still room to doubt, however, it seems fairly definitive that Kishi is using the common use for teleporting. He writes fiction, so it should be assumed that it is the sci fi definition, however, it was made even more obvious that that was what he intended because of Shino's comments. No other definition can fit the criteria set in Naruto so we can only assume it to be he main use.