Originally posted by King KandyCorrection the kyubbi could do all that just by waving a tail. meaning thats nowhere near its full potential
Okay you think Kyuubi can destroy the moon so he's a near planet-buster, i'm not even listening to what you have to say anymore. Raising tsunamis and crushing mountains<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<anything moon destroying level.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Okay you think Kyuubi can destroy the moon so he's a near planet-buster, i'm not even listening to what you have to say anymore. Raising tsunamis and crushing mountains<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<anything moon destroying level.
huh, when did i say it was planet busting????? i said it cud possibly destroy the moon that rikoudu created seeing as its power increases exponentially with every tail and the kyuubi that naruto posesses is only half the chakra of the actual kyuubi from what weve heard. escaping from a black hole >>> raising tsunamis and crushing mountains.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
But we should assume it can destroy the moon, amirite!? durThere are a few beings of obvious greater power than Kyuubi, Sage of Six Path's and the Shinigami are the two I can think of.
but the shinigami obviously cant hold the kyuubi indefinately, and once the seal is broken, there isnt a chance for a repeat performance. rikouco might or might now be, theres a good chance that the kyuubi is the strongest character in naruto.
Originally posted by leonheartmmThe Shinigami obviously is not holding the Kyuubi indefinately, it just put it there, it is not actively restraining it. Why not a good chance for repeat performance? It was done once, obviously it will again.
but the shinigami obviously cant hold the kyuubi indefinately, and once the seal is broken, there isnt a chance for a repeat performance. rikouco might or might now be, theres a good chance that the kyuubi is the strongest character in naruto.
Sage is stronger, he made the moon, that's well above anything Kyuubi has done.
No there isn't. When Kyuubi has been beaten by one character and is clearly inferior to the other.
And Chibaku Tensei is not a technical black hole.
YES IT IS. its keeping the people it has consumed in its STOMACH. people who have died can not come back, its only reasonable to think that people who have escaped death cant be held by it.
you cant know that, the fact that 8 tails dug his way out of chibaku tensei and that the power increases exponentially with each tail AND the fact that naruto only has HALF the chakra of the kyuubi, its not really out there to think that the kyuubi cud be stronger than rikoudo.
the kyuubi has been RESTRAINED TEMPORARILY. that doesnt count as a defeat or kill. even if madars did summon it, it doesnt make sense to summon sumthing like that if he is already stronger than the kyuubi himself. also, why did he create akatsuki to SPECIFICALLY capture the kyuubi again if he was already stronger?
true, its just extreme gravity which is supposed to PORTRAY the notion of a black hole in a manga.
Originally posted by leonheartmm1. The Kyuubi was not killed, it's body is in Naruto, the Shinigami places the soul inside its stomach. So obviously the Shinigami was used by Yondaime to place Kyuubi in Naruto, NOT in its stomach.
YES IT IS. its keeping the people it has consumed in its STOMACH. people who have died can not come back, its only reasonable to think that people who have escaped death cant be held by it.you cant know that, the fact that 8 tails dug his way out of chibaku tensei and that the power increases exponentially with each tail AND the fact that naruto only has HALF the chakra of the kyuubi, its not really out there to think that the kyuubi cud be stronger than rikoudo.
the kyuubi has been RESTRAINED TEMPORARILY. that doesnt count as a defeat or kill. even if madars did summon it, it doesnt make sense to summon sumthing like that if he is already stronger than the kyuubi himself. also, why did he create akatsuki to SPECIFICALLY capture the kyuubi again if he was already stronger?
true, its just extreme gravity which is supposed to PORTRAY the notion of a black hole in a manga.
2. Chibaku Tensei? Yeah, Pain's relatively weak Chibaku Tensei. It is out there, considering he possesses the best feat in all of Naruto, and Kyuubi cannot compare by what he was done.
3. Kyuubi was placed inside Naruto with no trouble at all by the Shinigami. It has been 16 years since then. That counts as a loss. And I never said Madara was stronger than Kyuubi, tard.
4. A very weak black hole.
1. its BODY is the sixe of multiple sky scrappers, so that makes no sense at all. its SOUL is inside naruto. and the seal is still the stomach of the death god. istead of the death gods using yondaime's bellybutton to pull the soul of the kyuubi through, it pulled it through naruto. the PHYSICAL seal is ALWAYS on a person's bellybutton {third hokage against uro and reincarnated hokages} but the place the chakra/soul is locked in is the death god's stomach. and the kyuubi has no effect whatsoever on naruto until its chakra forcibly BURSTS out in parts from the stomach of the death god.
2. its stronger than mostly any other technique of any other akatsuki member shown thus far. doesnt make it WEAK at all. it just goes to show that even pain doesnt know the true power of the kyuubi. and again, you conveniently blind yourself to all the evidence to the contrary and make a blanket/unsupported claim and state it as fact.
3. no trouble at all? scans or it never happened
Originally posted by leonheartmm
1. its BODY is the sixe of multiple sky scrappers, so that makes no sense at all. its SOUL is inside naruto. and the seal is still the stomach of the death god. istead of the death gods using yondaime's bellybutton to pull the soul of the kyuubi through, it pulled it through naruto. the PHYSICAL seal is ALWAYS on a person's bellybutton {third hokage against uro and reincarnated hokages} but the place the chakra/soul is locked in is the death god's stomach. and the kyuubi has no effect whatsoever on naruto until its chakra forcibly BURSTS out in parts from the stomach of the death god.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
2. its stronger than mostly any other technique of any other akatsuki member shown thus far. doesnt make it WEAK at all. it just goes to show that even pain doesnt know the true power of the kyuubi. and again, you conveniently blind yourself to all the evidence to the contrary and make a blanket/unsupported claim and state it as fact.
Originally posted by King Kandy
It is very weak IN COMPARISON to Rikudou's one. And the eight tails could have been restrained if Pein used a bigger Chibaku. Meaning Rikudou's Chibaku was immeasurably beyond Eight-Tails and thus beyond nine tails.
You're correct. We are talking on a scale difference of well over a million times.
Originally posted by King Kandy
It is complete speculation to say the power "bursts from the death god." and the idea that it doesn't interact with naruto otherwise is actually contradicted by his healing factor which is stated to come from the Kyuubi's inactive Chakra which could not possibly be true if the Kyuubi's chakra only existed in the death god.It is very weak IN COMPARISON to Rikudou's one. And the eight tails could have been restrained if Pein used a bigger Chibaku. Meaning Rikudou's Chibaku was immeasurably beyond Eight-Tails and thus beyond nine tails.
actually, it really ISNT. its stated time and time again in the mannga that the kyuubi's chakra CONTINUOUSLY LEAKS from the seal placed by minato into naruto. that is the reason he has whiskers and that is the reason he has his healing. still, the seal/prison is probably the stomach of the shinigami.
actually, naruto pretty much destroyed it by forcing his way out, it was still SUCKING when he did this and probably wud have gotten bigger with time. and again, that is speculation. besides, 8 tails isnt the 9 tails, and eight tails is technically only the FOUR tails or even less since its yin chakra is missing. add to that exponential increase with each tail and u know what i mean.
dadudemon, mangakas usually dont think along the line of mathematical comparisons when talking about power.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
actually, it really ISNT. its stated time and time again in the mannga that the kyuubi's chakra CONTINUOUSLY LEAKS from the seal placed by minato into naruto. that is the reason he has whiskers and that is the reason he has his healing. still, the seal/prison is probably the stomach of the shinigami.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
actually, naruto pretty much destroyed it by forcing his way out, it was still SUCKING when he did this and probably wud have gotten bigger with time. and again, that is speculation. besides, 8 tails isnt the 9 tails, and eight tails is technically only the FOUR tails or even less since its yin chakra is missing. add to that exponential increase with each tail and u know what i mean.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
dadudemon, mangakas usually dont think along the line of mathematical comparisons when talking about power.
as i said before, the PHYSICAL seal/sign of the seal is ALWAYS on a HUMAN BEING, this was proven by the third hokage when he sealed the previous hokages and urochimaru's arms. now unless you wanna tell me that the previous hokages are sealed in the dead body of the 3rd and NOT in the stomach of a death god, you have no argument. the only thing yondaime did was seal part of it in NARUTO'S body instead of his own, the PHYSICAL seal is on naruto like it was on the third, but ACTUALLY, the REAL seal stopping the chakra and the spirit is still the SHINIGAMI, orrrr do you think the gates holding the spirit of the kyuubi are naruto or youndaime himself?????? sumthing is HOLDING THE KYUUBI IN and it is the SHINIGAMI. but the seal isnt strong enogh to completely keep him in hence his chakra constantly leaking out and giving naruto his traits. soon the kyuubi will break through and the seal is already weakening.
yes i admit its the ****ing moon. im not saying for a fact that the kyuubi is stronger, im saying it is probable. looking at the background. and your wrong, look at 666 satan, kishimoto seishi's manga. EXPONENTIAL power increases can easily reach that level. and do remember that the kyuubi is said to have caused tsunamis and destroyed mountains from a single twirl of ONE of its tails. that wasnt its true power. the story of the moon and the kyuubi's complete power are both MYTHS, if you want to take ONE seriously take the other one seriously too. and if the kyuubi was captured in the statue of pain with the help of all the other bijuu to contrain it, that power cud repeatedly destroy entire ocntinents in one shot. THAT is compareable to damaging the moon, no?
dont get so riles up, its just fiction.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
as i said before, the PHYSICAL seal/sign of the seal is ALWAYS on a HUMAN BEING, this was proven by the third hokage when he sealed the previous hokages and urochimaru's arms. now unless you wanna tell me that the previous hokages are sealed in the dead body of the 3rd and NOT in the stomach of a death god, you have no argument. the only thing yondaime did was seal part of it in NARUTO'S body instead of his own, the PHYSICAL seal is on naruto like it was on the third, but ACTUALLY, the REAL seal stopping the chakra and the spirit is still the SHINIGAMI, orrrr do you think the gates holding the spirit of the kyuubi are naruto or youndaime himself?????? sumthing is HOLDING THE KYUUBI IN and it is the SHINIGAMI. but the seal isnt strong enogh to completely keep him in hence his chakra constantly leaking out and giving naruto his traits. soon the kyuubi will break through and the seal is already weakening.yes i admit its the ****ing moon. im not saying for a fact that the kyuubi is stronger, im saying it is probable. looking at the background. and your wrong, look at 666 satan, kishimoto seishi's manga. EXPONENTIAL power increases can easily reach that level. and do remember that the kyuubi is said to have caused tsunamis and destroyed mountains from a single twirl of ONE of its tails. that wasnt its true power. the story of the moon and the kyuubi's complete power are both MYTHS, if you want to take ONE seriously take the other one seriously too. and if the kyuubi was captured in the statue of pain with the help of all the other bijuu to contrain it, that power cud repeatedly destroy entire ocntinents in one shot. THAT is compareable to damaging the moon, no?
dont get so riles up, its just fiction.
Woah, wait wait.
I'm not understanding you.
Let me explain it my way and tell me if I'm wrong.
The 4th hokage split the Kyuubi in half....physical and spiritual. The spirit is sealed in the Shinigami. The physical in Naruto.
However, it would be impossible, the way I see it, for Yondi to seal the physical portion AFTER the spiritual was taken because Yondi would be sealed at the same time.
So.....there are things left unexplained. And concluding anything other than what I have would be baseless speculation.
So, is there anything wrong with my logic?
YES. it never said he split it between PHYSICAL and SPIRITUAL. it said it split the CHAKRA of the kyuubi between yin{chinese female spirit of the universe} and YANG{chinese males spirit of everything in reality}. if you remember, kakashi told naruto when he was asking about nature/form manipulation that there was more to it at its core and the reason genjutsu and other stuff like kagemane no jutsu worked was by mixing of the yin and yang chakra. yondaime sealed the YANG chakra of the kyuubi inside naruto's body and no1 knows where the ying chakra of the kyuubi is. ALSO remember that minato HIMSELF said that he gave naruto the kyuubi chakra because he knew that madara cudnt be defeated by any normal means and that some SPECIAL power wud be required to get rid of him. this gives yet more credulance to the possibility that the kyuubi is stronger than madara.
and i already explained how very probably, the kyuubi's chakra is sealed inside naruto and the shinigami at the same time.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
but the shinigami obviously cant hold the kyuubi indefinately, and once the seal is broken, there isnt a chance for a repeat performance. rikouco might or might now be, theres a good chance that the kyuubi is the strongest character in naruto.
Please, Hashirama (The First) himself beat Madara & the Fox. Madara can also control it, granted it might not put Madara above the Fox, but it would mean an instant win if they fought.
If you also lose half your chakra, it doesn't affect your the level of your strength, just how much more justu you can pull off.
^we dont know facts, those are only claims by madara/itachi/yondaime that always ocntradict each other. if madara cud control it then why did he create akatsuki to capture it? why did he LOSE it to begin with?{lol. like u cud LOSE a kyuubi in the trash}
that makes no sense at all since the kyuubi doesnt USE any jutsu but uses its pure chakra as a weapon.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
^we dont know facts, those are only claims by madara/itachi/yondaime that always ocntradict each other. if madara cud control it then why did he create akatsuki to capture it? why did he LOSE it to begin with?{lol. like u cud LOSE a kyuubi in the trash}that makes no sense at all since the kyuubi doesnt USE any jutsu but uses its pure chakra as a weapon.
His sharingan isn't at full power currently, that's why he created Akatsuki. The Mangeykou can control the Kyuubi, Madara/Itachi/Sasuke have confirmed that. The fox itself knows the Sharingan.
Madara was bent on revenge, he said so himself, makes sense considering he hates Konoha.
If he could control the fox, he would have used it.
The earlier analogy applies here as well.
If it uses pure chakra, it doesn't matter if its overall chakra level has been cut in half. The attacks will still be at the same level (unless it uses all its chakra in one single attack, that would be suicide) as they were if its chakra wasn't cut in half. The only difference will be that it won't be able to pull off as many attacks.