The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by WO Polaski
and why do you assume that danzo and the thirds relationship in power remained the same over all those years. theres no reason to think that their powers grew and shrank equally.

the third spent every day in active duty. hes the hokage and if theres ANY threat to the village hes supposed to don the armor and go fight, at any time. hes just like any other jounin or ninja he has to at least keep his skills up when not in combat because if there is any fighting hes expected to be in the thick of it at any time. just because an army is not in the middle of war means it stops training. danzo is the opposite; hes a politician. when the fighting goes on no one expects to see the council otu defending the village. take a look at the pein fight tsunade was out in the battlefield while danzo was sneaking about in the sidelines handiling foreign relations and killing frogs. so yeah just the act of being a hokage requires you to train and keep on your skills whereas being a council member does not.

as for tsunade we both know she fought like shit youve even said that on the other forum. she fights like a tank throwing haymakers with no real skill and was barely able to fight kabuto and an armless orochimaru.

i dont think so. it could be a ruse though it seems unlikely that he could keep it hidden for like ever.

2. Um, lol? And when was Konoha directly attacked before the Sound/Sand invasion? The Kyuubi, and that was handled by the Fourth, not the Third. We have never seen the Third do...ANYTHING before Orochimaru invaded. Also, using your logic that Hokage must always be keeping his skills up, Danzo's primary goal was ALWAYS to become Hokage, and he factually was a very powerful ninja in his youth, being a candidate for Hokage and all, why would he himself not keep honing his skills when his goal is to become who is generally considered the single most powerful ninja in the village(although Tsunade's status as Hokage kind of shits on that to be honest). Also, Danzo was cementing his own position as the next Hokage during the invasion, he deliberately ordered Foundation/Root not to aid in Konoha's plight in the hope that Pain would **** Konoha up, so he could exploit it to become Hokage. That is why he did not participate in the defense of Konoha. Also, Danzo is not even a council member, he is the leader of Foundation, a section of Anbu, a military branch if you will. The Council takes counsel from him sometimes, sure, but he is primarily a military commander.

3. True, she does fight like shit for a Kage. She is a good brick, nothing more. Why she is considered so Goddamn powerful I shall never know. But in terms of overall Naruto standards she is far above average.

4. ...Is he even stated to be missing an arm lol?

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. I don't. I am saying that the notion that because Danzo=old he must=weak is ridiculous. He is old yeah, so is Chiyo, who had not done shit to my understanding for years, and yet she proved to be a powerful ninja in her own right.

because its a fact that they DO get weaker as they get older, pathetically so if you compare to them to their younger selves. the only thing that matters is how much weaker.

2. Um, lol? And when was Konoha directly attacked before the Sound/Sand invasion? The Kyuubi, and that was handled by the Fourth, not the Third. We have never seen the Third do...ANYTHING before Orochimaru invaded.

i never said otherwise. that wasnt my point.

Also, using your logic that Hokage must always be keeping his skills up, Danzo's primary goal was ALWAYS to become Hokage, and he factually was a very powerful ninja in his youth, being a candidate for Hokage and all, why would he himself not keep honing his skills when his goal is to become who is generally considered the single most powerful ninja in the village[/quote]

because having the goal to do something and actually being required at any waking moment to do something are two entirely things different things. the fact of the matter is that its part of the hokages job description to always be on his toes and be ready for a fight whereas its part of a council members job to focus on the more strategic and long term diplomatic issues; thats the difference between their two duties regardless of what they want.

Also, Danzo was cementing his own position as the next Hokage during the invasion, he deliberately ordered Foundation/Root not to aid in Konoha's plight in the hope that Pain would **** Konoha up, so he could exploit it to become Hokage.

i disagree. danzo killed the toad so pein wouldnt get naruto. danzo kenw that if pein succeeded in getting naruto and beating the village hed be dead as well. if naruto lost pein would have won and that means danzo would have been killed along with everyone else. it was a high risk having him come back back but a risk that paid off.

That is why he did not participate in the defense of Konoha.[/quoe]

he didnt participate for the same reason that none of the council did.

[quote]Also, Danzo is not even a council member, he is the leader of Foundation, a section of Anbu, a military branch if you will. The Council takes counsel from him sometimes, sure, but he is primarily a military commander.

hes the leader of a part of anbu that handles black op warfare. hes the equivalent of a general; fighting on the frontlines is not his duty.

3. True, she does fight like shit for a Kage. She is a good brick, nothing more. Why she is considered so Goddamn powerful I shall never know. But in terms of overall Naruto standards she is far above average.

by naruto standards gai should slaughter her.

4. ...Is he even stated to be missing an arm lol?

itd be funny if he wasnt.

Originally posted by WO Polaski
how do you know they didnt? for one thing the show only focuses on one or two teams at a time fo all you know there could have been dozens of ninja that werent focued on that spent their time doing those very things. last i checked team Gai was in the middle of a mission looking for kabuto when pein attacked, before that team yamato went looking for orochimaru's base, and before that jiraiya's been keeping tabs on akatsutski.

Originally posted by WO Polaski
easier said then done. the raikage hasnt done jack. hes ordered a meeting okay. how has that prevented anything?

Originally posted by King Kandy
Well for one, konoha could have actively tried to find akatsuki members through their connections, maybe use ninjas for spying (which is, you know, their job), maybe tried to locate akatsuki's base, you know.

Honestly if konoha had bothered to do any good reconnaissance on the sand they easily could have discovered their plans for betrayal and prepared accordingly. They should have been taking action like Raikage against akatsuki the moment they became a threat.

Orochimaru tricked both Konoha, and the Sand. And I doubt Orochimaru would have been stupid enough to get caught by spies. He would more likely know what Saru would or wouldn't try better than anybody alive..or well that was alive. Also don't exactly go sending spies to spy on the Kage of another village you have a peace treaty with.

Originally posted by WO Polaski
because its a fact that they DO get weaker as they get older, pathetically so if you compare to them to their younger selves. the only thing that matters is how much weaker.

i never said otherwise. that wasnt my point.

because having the goal to do something and actually being required at any waking moment to do something are two entirely things different things. the fact of the matter is that its part of the hokages job description to always be on his toes and be ready for a fight whereas its part of a council members job to focus on the more strategic and long term diplomatic issues; thats the difference between their two duties regardless of what they want.

i disagree. danzo killed the toad so pein wouldnt get naruto. danzo kenw that if pein succeeded in getting naruto and beating the village hed be dead as well. if naruto lost pein would have won and that means danzo would have been killed along with everyone else. it was a high risk having him come back back but a risk that paid off.

hes the leader of a part of anbu that handles black op warfare. hes the equivalent of a general; fighting on the frontlines is not his duty.

by naruto standards gai should slaughter her.

itd be funny if he wasnt.

2. Danzo is not a council member, stop referring to him as one or I swear to God I will bolster all of my manly fortitude and cry. And if his goal is to become the strongest ninja in Konoha, you think he would not continue to train his skills? Seems improbable IMO.

3. I disagree also, he killed the Toad so that Pain would not be stopped so soon. Pain's invasion played off all too well for Danzo, why else would he hold back his troops from the defense of Konoha?

4. True. But in Naruto, even the more administrative individuals of the military factions in Naruto are powerful.

5. Gai is one of Konoha's most powerful ninja, but I agree.

6. Yeah, it would be lol.

Originally posted by Kento
Jiraiya was on the Akatsuki thing...and found out a lot. It took Jiraiya forever to find the base, and nobody even knew if Pein existed or not...

Originally posted by Kento
Orochimaru tricked both Konoha, and the Sand. And I doubt Orochimaru would have been stupid enough to get caught by spies. He would more likely know what Saru would or wouldn't try better than anybody alive..or well that was alive. Also don't exactly go sending spies to spy on the Kage of another village you have a peace treaty with.

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. They get weaker, yes, but they are often-times still very powerful in age. Shit, Chiyo was fairly powerful, and was like 80+ years old.

alright then.

2. Danzo is not a council member, stop referring to him as one or I swear to God I will bolster all of my manly fortitude and cry. And if his goal is to become the strongest ninja in Konoha, you think he would not continue to train his skills? Seems improbable IMO.

his goal isnt to become the strongest just the most influential.

3. I disagree also, he killed the Toad so that Pain would not be stopped so soon. Pain's invasion played off all too well for Danzo, why else would he hold back his troops from the defense of Konoha?

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interesting theory but it doesnt make sense imo. do you think danzo is stupid enough to think that his little troops could stop pein? if pein wasnt stopped danzo was going to die either way and as we saw he came relatively close. if one of those bodies had noticed him amongst all the chaos he would have been dead for sure and no one would be able to save him. he had just as much as a risk of being killed as tsunade had of being knocked out so i dont think he would be willing to risk his life in those odds.

4. True. But in Naruto, even the more administrative individuals of the military factions in Naruto are powerful.

yeah thats true.

6. Yeah, it would be lol.

maybe he has a giant rocket launcher under there.

Originally posted by WO Polaski
alright then.

his goal isnt to become the strongest just the most influential.

look f*ckersweetie. 😖hifty:

interesting theory but it doesnt make sense imo. do you think danzo is stupid enough to think that his little troops could stop pein? if pein wasnt stopped danzo was going to die either way and as we saw he came relatively close. if one of those bodies had noticed him amongst all the chaos he would have been dead for sure and no one would be able to save him. he had just as much as a risk of being killed as tsunade had of being knocked out so i dont think he would be willing to risk his life in those odds.

yeah thats true.

maybe he has a giant rocket launcher under there.

2. Hokage is also the indication of the strongest(or one of at the very least).

3. Why not both? 🙂

Listen now hun. KONOHAMARU was able to defeat one of Pain's bodies. By himself. Other than Deva Path, they are relatively fodder IMHO. So yes, I believe Danzo's highly trained group of ANBU would have helped in the battle, at least destroying a body or two. Pain's individual bodies are nothing special IMO except for Deva. If Danzo is as strong as I think he probably is, he should be able to take on a Path.

Here is what I think about this discussion. Sure, it is possible that Danzo is a weak old politician. Just as it is possible that he is a very powerful ninja in his own right. I just find the latter more probable IMO, this entire discussion is based on conjecture anyway, so we cannot know for sure.

4. Yey

5. That's not funny. Take that shit back.

Originally posted by King Kandy
He did a great job, but he was acting by himself. Konoha should have devoted themselves to finding out everything about Akatsuki and undermining them on every single level, sending ninja to aid the jinchuurukis (a lot of the fight against them were so close it wouldn't have taken much to turn the tide), finding and destroying their bases, dismantling their information networks, a lot of these things are what ninja are made to do so i'm really appalled by the lack of actual intelligence work that was done.

It's not Orochimaru who would slip up so much as the sand probably. Should be noted that likewise sarutobi also knows Orochimaru more than anyone. It honestly wouldn't have taken much in the way of genius to see the sound and sand were both mobilizing for war and that this was something to be concerned about. And they had no treaty with the sound as well, so that was fair game. If your spies are good enough (Good specialized Chunin or Jonin) then nobody will know you had the treaty violated. Then Konoha could have done a massive pre-emptive strike that would have beaten the sand down and not left Konoha damaged.

Orochimaru is more of a schemer than Sarutobi so Saru knowing Oro doesn't mean much. And Sand had many more skilled ninja than Konoha when it came to spying it seems. Plus depending on the person they could probably tell if somebody was hiding and Oro being one of the strongest, I doubt any of the spies could hide from him even if they tried. And the Sand could have easily kept everything quiet. And traps to let them know if someone was coming while they did scheme. They would have been very low key about everything. As for Sound..they didn't even know Oro was the leader, and it probably kept very low key being a small village that it wouldn't even get on Konoha's radar while they have three other countries to worry about.

Kento shut the HELL up, Jesus Christ you piss me off man, don't you ever learn when enough is enough!?

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...WO you have been in the anime forum for a while...

You're about to drop a gigantic word-quilt of a post on me that you know I am not going to attempt to address aren't you?

I'm playing Call of Duty. 😄

Pft.

Call of Duty is ghey, almost as much as that fat cousin of yours.

New chapter is out.

I like how everyone is freaking out over Danzo's order when they have not one reason why it's bad other than "Sasuke is ow fwend and we wuv him".

Glad to see the cloud's got some moves. And wtf was Sai kicking at?

I hadn't even realized Naruto didn't know Sasuke was a Akatsuki before now. Knowing him it won't change anything...

Well, Naruto was training and fighting Pain, so he couldn't have known about Sasuke joining Akatsuki. Guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.

Sai's got a sweet tongue tattoo

that was a weird fight scene, naruto's got some sick moves though.

Originally posted by King Kandy
New chapter is out.

I like how everyone is freaking out over Danzo's order when they have not one reason why it's bad other than "Sasuke is ow fwend and we wuv him".

😆 But Sakura got beaten so easily. Though I wonder if Naruto would have lost cause he seemed to be going that way. And really what they heck was Sai doing?

It's policy to execute all missing nin... they're just trying to make Sasuke a special exception when they have no reason to do so. Maybe Uchiha are considered an endangered species or something.