Originally posted by stickman618
ok then, she ordered back Naruto, but the healing thing didn't really matter much
That's still wrong.
Both mattered.
Had Naruto not come back, she would have healed them anyway...and maybe a lot more would have survived.
Since she ordered Naruto back, he saved everyone AND they survived AND she healed them just before going to the brink of death by chakra depletion.
Not even the 3rd can boast saving almost every last Konoha member, by himself. Techincally, she's the best hokage that has ever existed because no Hokage saved almost every single life when invaded.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I think Danzo's deal with Hanzo kind of proves that he's the kind of person you don't want to run Konoha. He was willing to kill children to one-up Sarutobi, a perfectly fine candidate for Hokage. That officially puts him on the level of Anakin douchebaggery, and that Sucks. That Sucks hard.
If Anakin was half as intelligent as Danzou then order 66 would probably have been prevented.
Some of you might think that kindergarden politics and "bnice2evrybudy!" will work, but no. Danzou is the only one with the balls to properly lead Konoha.
If Anakin was half as intelligent as Danzou then order 66 would probably have been prevented.Some of you might think that kindergarden politics and "bnice2evrybudy!" will work, but no. Danzou is the only one with the balls to properly lead Konoha.
So what, you think that being willing to slaughter children, willingly letting the civilians of Konaha die, deaths he could have avoided, committing genoside on the Uchiha clan becuase a few of them where probably going to revolt and manipulating the political system are all traits that make a great leader? We have a word for that: A Douche, and he looks like this-
Grow up, your moronic utilitarian policies will only lead to oppression, tyranny and pain, which was the whole point of the Pain arc. Also, Tsunade didn't look too 'bnice2evrybudy' when she shoved a ****ing huge sword in Manda's face, or Sarutobi when he tried to capture Orochimaru's soul for eternity. They aren't pacifist's, they're the happy medium.
Originally posted by NephthysYes.
So what, you think that being willing to slaughter children, willingly letting the civilians of Konaha die, deaths he could have avoided, committing genoside on the Uchiha clan becuase a few of them where probably going to revolt and manipulating the political system are all traits that make a great leader?
Originally posted by Nephthys¨
So what, you think that being willing to slaughter children, willingly letting the civilians of Konaha die, deaths he could have avoided, committing genoside on the Uchiha clan becuase a few of them where probably going to revolt and manipulating the political system are all traits that make a great leader? We have a word for that: A Douche, and he looks like this-Grow up, your moronic utilitarian policies will only lead to oppression, tyranny and pain, which was the whole point of the Pain arc. Also, Tsunade didn't look too 'bnice2evrybudy' when she shoved a ****ing huge sword in Manda's face, or Sarutobi when he tried to capture Orochimaru's soul for eternity. They aren't pacifist's, they're the happy medium.
OH! So THAT was the point of the Pain arc. Deep.
Seriously though, pathetic post. Without Danzou's attitude and style of management the Uchiha would've been in control in Konoha now. Without Yondaime's fortunate interference and a rather handy case of plot-induced-stupidity, Naruto would've been in Akatsuki's hands.
The point of the Pein arc was how ridiculously easy it is for someone with half a mind, Madara, to manipulate complete and utter retards, Pein. I don't recall saying that Sarutobi or Tsuande were pacifists, but rather that Danzou is much more fit to lead Konoha.
For some reason, your brain made it out that because Danzou removed Sasuke's protective charm, he wants to run Konoha in a similar manner to Stalin. That's just sad. Stalin was also driven by paranoia, safeguarding a city's secret weapon and wanting to kill traitors is not exactly paranoia. It's common ****ing sense.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Not even the 3rd can boast saving almost every last Konoha member, by himself. Techincally, she's the best hokage that has ever existed because no Hokage saved almost every single life when invaded.
Seriously though, pathetic post. Without Danzou's attitude and style of management the Uchiha would've been in control in Konoha now.
So? I mean, so what, that's reason enough to kill EVERY ****ING ONE? The men, the women, the old, the young, the mother****ing babies!? The fact that 10 or so wanted to take over the villiage is enough to do that, to commit genocide. Yeah, maybe you should think before you side with someone.
Without Yondaime's fortunate interference and a rather handy case of plot-induced-stupidity, Naruto would've been in Akatsuki's hands.
Yes, it was risky to call Naruto back to the village, as he well could have lost, but the alternative was to Pein continue on his rampage to kill everyone in the village. Naruto was the ONLY thing that could have stopped Pein and prevent further loss of life. Tsunade made the right choice in calling for him.
Danzo on the other hand, killed the frog calling for Naruto to keep him out of the way, so that he could capitalize on the death count to position himself as Hokage. Now tell me, does this seem like the kind of man you would want in charge of your life? Becuase I sure a shit wouldn't.
The point of the Pein arc was how ridiculously easy it is for someone with half a mind, Madara, to manipulate complete and utter retards, Pein.
Pein came by his beliefs before he met Madara, who only pointed him in a direction, I believe.
I don't recall saying that Sarutobi or Tsuande were pacifists, but rather that Danzou is much more fit to lead Konoha.
You implied by comparing Danzo with 'kindergarden politics and "bnice2evrybudy!", that this was what Sarutobi and Tsunade's leadership style was. I corrected you.
For some reason, your brain made it out that because Danzou removed Sasuke's protective charm, he wants to run Konoha in a similar manner to Stalin. That's just sad.
Not once did I mention Sasuke. For me, Danzo's decision doesn't even matter in the grand scheme. I, unlike you, however, have used my brain to come up with some facts about Danzo's character.
FACT: Danzo believes his opinions to be superior to other's, as shown by his opposition to previous Hokages philosophies. In fact he believes in his own ideals so highly he is willing to do anything to see them realised.
FACT: Danzo is not opposed to unethical and unlawful acts, as shown by his involvement in the Uchiha massacre, his deal with Hanzo, his involvement in the pein arc and his treatment of his special ops group.
FACT: Danzo is actively reaching for a dictatorship, as shown by his quest to achieve power, his willingness to manipulate his citizenry and obtain power over others.
It's all of this, not his laughably minor action of declaring Sasuke a missing-nin, that makes him a budding Stalin.
Stalin was also driven by paranoia, safeguarding a city's secret weapon and wanting to kill traitors is not exactly paranoia. It's common ****ing sense.
He wasn't safeguarding shit, he just wanted him out of the way. And killing traitors is common sense. Killing them AND their entire families just makes you a lunatic.
Really though, AWFUL post.
Originally posted by Nephthys
So? I mean, so what, that's reason enough to kill EVERY ****ING ONE? The men, the women, the old, the young, the mother****ing babies!? The fact that 10 or so wanted to take over the villiage is enough to do that, to commit genocide. Yeah, maybe you should think before you side with someone.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes, it was risky to call Naruto back to the village, as he well could have lost, but the alternative was to Pein continue on his rampage to kill everyone in the village. Naruto was the ONLY thing that could have stopped Pein and prevent further loss of life. Tsunade made the right choice in calling for him.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Danzo on the other hand, killed the frog calling for Naruto to keep him out of the way, so that he could capitalize on the death count to position himself as Hokage. Now tell me, does this seem like the kind of man you would want in charge of your life? Becuase I sure a shit wouldn't.
Originally posted by Nephthys
FACT: Danzo believes his opinions to be superior to other's, as shown by his opposition to previous Hokages philosophies. In fact he believes in his own ideals so highly he is willing to do anything to see them realised.
Originally posted by Nephthys
FACT: Danzo is not opposed to unethical and unlawful acts, as shown by his involvement in the Uchiha massacre, his deal with Hanzo, his involvement in the pein arc and his treatment of his special ops group.
Originally posted by Nephthys
FACT: Danzo is actively reaching for a dictatorship, as shown by his quest to achieve power, his willingness to manipulate his citizenry and obtain power over others.
Originally posted by Nephthys
It's all of this, not his laughably minor action of declaring Sasuke a missing-nin, that makes him a budding Stalin.
Originally posted by Nephthys
He wasn't safeguarding shit, he just wanted him out of the way. And killing traitors is common sense. Killing them AND their entire families just makes you a lunatic.
Well, you both make some valid points, but both are inaccurate.
Danzo was definately right in some ways, for instance, it WAS due to the Third's ideals that Konoha has come into harm. The Sound/Sand invasion, was entirely his fault. He had the chance to kill Orochimaru years ago, preventing many citizen's deaths, but he let him go under the basis of him being his student, his own personal feelings got in the way. This is not dissimilar to Sasuke, Naruto, Kakashi, Sakura, and even Tsunade let their emotions get in the way with him, which is very likely going to lead to another invasion of Konoha. Danzo's decision in making him a hunted Missing-Nin that is to be executed is perfectly logical. However, I will acknowledge that Pain's attack could not be blamed on anyone to follow the Third's teachings, and in fact could be partially the fault of Danzo himself, for it was his alliance with Hanzo that led to Pain's warped ideals.
However, you are bashing Danzo's alliance with Hanzo a bit too much...It was in an effort to gain Hanzo and Amegakure as an ally. Sure, it could be argued their goal was rather unethical, but nontheless a decent logical maneuver. Hanzo was an extraordinarily powerful ninja from what we know of him, defeating the Sannin single-handedly(Jiraiya even displayed intense shock that Pain was capable of defeating him) and controlling a moderately powerful village, having him as an ally would be a strategical move.
As for him being a proponent for the destruction of the Uchiha clan, well...Where the hell did you get that ten members were planning the coup? That's a number you randomly pulled out of your ass dude. It was stated that the CLAN was planning a coup, not a few members, as far as the Konoha government knew, it was the entire clan that was planning to rebel. So once again, his logic behind destroying the clan is undeniable, they were a viable threat to the rest of the village. And Itachi wanted himself to be painted out as a vicious murderer to Sasuke, why would a vicious murderer not kill the entire clan?
Now, as for why Danzo is not a good choice...Well.
First of all, his tactics in terms of politics are unnecessarily brutal, he killed that little toad guy just to stall Naruto's return(which WAS a good idea, it would be better for Naruto to be prepared to fight Pain than just have Pain destroy the village and then attack Naruto at full strength while Naruto is training, he can read minds, he would have found Naruto) so the body count of his own village would increase, which he would capitalise on to become Hokage. That is weakening your own government and home you will be ruling over for your own personal power. Which is not good.
Also, Danzo is painfully arrogant, he is indeed unable to consider the views of anyone else but him.
Personally, I think Danzo honestly does have some of the characteristics Konoha needs right now in a Hokage. But I won't pretend he is perfect.
Originally posted by King KandyDude, bullshit. 😬
That was not the best choice. If Naruto was captured then Akatsuki would have fulfilled their goal and taken on the entire world. If they let themselves take the hit then other countries could still carry on the fight.
Pain can fvcking read minds, he would have easily found Naruto.
Naruto had prep whe he fought Pain, along with some plot bullshit, that is true.
They could not have known the plot bullshit would happen, but summoning him would give him the advantage of preparing to fight Pain.
If they did not call for him, guess what would have happened?
Pain would have destroyed Konoha, he would have had rest before finding Naruto, he would have attacked an unprepared Naruto, he would have defeated Naruto, and Akatsuki would now have the most powerful Tailed Beast along with one of its most powerful members to aid in fighting other nations.
So yeah. Calling Naruto, was the smart thing to do.