The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by dadudemon
I read nothing to causes a disbelief in the Sharingan being a distant bloodline limit relative to Byukugan. There's no reason to assume that it wasn't still a "descendant" of the Byakugan.

Byuakugan is a descendant bloodline limit of the Rinnigan, and Sharingan is a descendant of Byukugan. Nothing in this last chapter changed the assumption that has existed since pre-time skip.

And, of COURSE Madara is going to claim fate. Then, just like in the Chuunin exams, Naruto will take a big ol' shit on Madara's assumption on fate. That's really how Naruto is supposed to work, anyway. 😐

That doesn't explain the Destined Child thing. Which still proves Neji right about can't change destiny. Unless of course Nagato was the destined child and not Naruto.

Because an overtly optimistic 16 year old moron in denial surely must know more than the one of the most powerful ninja ever, and the oldest and most experienced man alive(Presumably), right? 😐

I used to like Naruto(The character), but now he is just a douchebag and a loser. At least Raikage told him to grow a pair. God the Raikage is manly.

Originally posted by Kento
Besides that one clan became Senju and the other Uchiha, and it's destined for Senju to fight Uchiha.

The Senju "clan" is now a metaphor, bro.

Uchiha clan is a metaphor as well, imo.

Originally posted by Kento
If Hyuuga came first it would be their destiny to fight Senju not Uchiha don't you think. But nope Hyuuga just sit around being mighter than thou for apparently no reason because they can't get into the story to have any kind of past.

Metaphor, bro.

It's the light side versus the dark side. Good versus evil. Hate versus love.

Ying and Yang.

The "clan" one belongs to is metaphorical.

Originally posted by Kento
That doesn't explain the Destined Child thing. Which still proves Neji right about can't change destiny. Unless of course Nagato was the destined child and not Naruto.

Naruto doesn't believe in that, nor did Nagato.

The believe that they had control over their destiny. Which is true, to an extant. And, since Neji became one of the best Hyuga ninja from the clan, I could have sworn the "branch family" business lightened up a bit. In other words, Negi had control over his destiny, like Naruto told him.

Neji is still a f@g.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Neji is still a f@g.

Dude.

Are you trying to get yourself perma-banned?

...By insulting a fictional character?

Originally posted by NemeBro
...By insulting a fictional character?

No wonder you've banned so many times.

It's not the fact that you've insulted a fictional character, at all.

Let's just drop it as to not draw anymore attention to it.

You brought it up.

Originally posted by dadudemon
The Senju "clan" is now a metaphor, bro.

Uchiha clan is a metaphor as well, imo.

Metaphor, bro.

It's the light side versus the dark side. Good versus evil. Hate versus love.

Ying and Yang.

The "clan" one belongs to is metaphorical.

Naruto doesn't believe in that, nor did Nagato.

The believe that they had control over their destiny. Which is true, to an extant. And, since Neji became one of the best Hyuga ninja from the clan, I could have sworn the "branch family" business lightened up a bit. In other words, Negi had control over his destiny, like Naruto told him.

Didn't Nagato? He took it upon himself to change the world. As for Naruto, believing it or not it still seems to be the way its turning out to be.

Neji was one of the best of the Hyuuga before his uncle began training him. And who really knows how the rest of the branch family is treated by the main family. Neji is a special case. He hated the main family simply because his father was killed by them to replace his uncle. The branch family is still duty bound to the main family, and they still have the symbols. There isn't really anything to show that the politics have changed in that clan.

Originally posted by Kento
What makes you think it's metaphorical for the clan?

The contents of the manga does.

To be honest, it is fairly obviously metaphorical.

Yea it is metaphorical.

But it's not obviously a metaphor for good and bad.

Props to Kishimoto for not digging even further into mythology for story.

What's with this metaphorical BS?
Dadude, stop twisting the details.

There were 2 clans: Senju and Uchiha. That's that.
No Ying Yang, Ching Chong nonsense.

Btw, it was hinted by Madara himself that Uchiha and Senju were fated to fight each other.
It's obvious that Naruto is from the Senju clan.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
What's with this metaphorical BS?
Dadude, stop twisting the details.

There were 2 clans: Senju and Uchiha. That's that.
No Ying Yang, Ching Chong nonsense.

Btw, it was hinted by Madara himself that Uchiha and Senju were fated to fight each other.
It's obvious that Naruto is from the Senju clan.

Why did you single me out when it was stated by 3 other posters and one of them stated it before I did? I'll give you a hint: stop trolling. I'll start reporting future trolling from you.

And, no, it's metaphorical. You are either in denial or missing it on purpose to just spite and start an argument, which is trolling.

For being just a metaphor it's pretty much been literal the other two times mentioned. Not even just Madara vs Shodai but the whole Uchiha clan being the ones to constantly be called against the Senju clan and vice versa. But oh well. Metaphor or not I still think that the Senju blood probably runs through everybody in Konoha with the exceptions of Uchiha and Hyuuga.

Originally posted by Kento
For being just a metaphor it's pretty much been literal the other two times mentioned. Not even just Madara vs Shodai but the whole Uchiha clan being the ones to constantly be called against the Senju clan and vice versa. But oh well. Metaphor or not I still think that the Senju blood probably runs through everybody in Konoha with the exceptions of Uchiha and Hyuuga.

Yet, the Hyuga clan definitely did not conspire to overthrow Konoha, though. There are contradictions to your theory that is it blood.

It could definitely be genetic, but it is far more likely that it is just a metaphor as that fits much more nicely with the indirect symbolism of controling one's own destiny.

In fact, the good and evil, fate versus agency, etc. Those concepts are heavily present throughout this manga.

It seems more of a concept of choice rather than blood, specifically. We know very little about what Madara was actually talking about. We don't know how much time has passed. It's entirely possible that all blood between the brothers is almost completely mixed, giving rise to various bloodline limits than started to separate clans, later down the road.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yet, the Hyuga clan definitely did not conspire to overthrow Konoha, though. There are contradictions to your theory that is it blood.

It could definitely be genetic, but it is far more likely that it is just a metaphor as that fits much more nicely with the indirect symbolism of controling one's own destiny.

In fact, the good and evil, fate versus agency, etc. Those concepts are heavily present throughout this manga.

It seems more of a concept of choice rather than blood, specifically. We know very little about what Madara was actually talking about. We don't know how much time has passed. It's entirely possible that all blood between the brothers is almost completely mixed, giving rise to various bloodline limits than started to separate clans, later down the road.

He used the Senju and Uchiha as an example of revenge, hatred, conflict, all of those themes Kishi is fond of, being put into full play, and is trying to get in Naruto's head by claiming Naruto and Sasuke are the same.

Is Naruto a Senju? Possibly, but we cannot draw such a conclusion yet.

Originally posted by Kento
The second guy didn't go on to become Hyuuga he went on to become Uchiha according to Madara.

But, along the lines, we could have goten the Hyuga clan out of the deal. He never said that the Sharingan wasn't the descendant of the Byakugan, nor can that even be derived as an implication.

Originally posted by Kento
And Kakashi never said Byakugan evolved into Sharingan as a fact. Just as something that he has heard. There hasn't been anything to prove it, and Hyuuga have never been involved in anything that has involved the Sharingan talks. It was also called the stronger eye technique by Kakashi but that doesn't seem to be the case. Even if you discount MS. By feats anyway.

1. Specifically, what did Kakashi say? I can't really access the scans while at work.

2. Indeed. I agree. It certainly allows the user to see much farther, much more information around them, but it doesn't allow the person to copy techniques or warp space and time. One could argue, though, that it still allows the user to almost move instinctively, similar to the Sharingan.

I'd prefer the Byukugan over the Sharingan...if the Mangekyo aspect of it. The person can see chakra much more vividly, can see MUHC farther away than any other ninja type, and has an almost genetic instinct for controlling chakra. However, the eye looks cooler as a Sharingan tomoe than no pupil byakugan.