I don't think this is a bad feat for susanoo. If you pay attention to the itachi fight, it's never said that susanoo is actually invulnerable, only that it's shield is. If the body was invulnerable, then it would have no need for the yata's shield.
And given that the sword of totsuka evidently existed externally to Itachi before somehow being absorbed into the susanoo technique (???), it's possible the all powerful sword & shield that Itachi had aren't actually inherent to the technique.
well, orochimaru looked all over for that sword, little did he know it was a spiritual weapon made of energy.
and the inevitable "sasuke/naruto end fight" is a major bummer since you know it's all coming down to that eventually. sasuke gets a free pass from any ass-kicking he will get until that time comes....just as he did with deidara, orichimaru, and kirabi. 🙁
raikage can't beat shonen plot, no matter how much energy he releases.
Psycho - Sasuke beat Deidara fair and square 😬, albeit with heavy use of his Sharingan, but heck, it's like an arm; wouldn't you use your arm against a powerful foe?
Orochimaru was weak already (a strategical move on Sasuke's part imo)
We all know the deal with the Itachi fight, Sasuke would have lost if Itachi was serious.
On the Kirabi case, I agree with you. Though Amaterasu was pretty powerful, perhaps even unusually powerful in that fight (even though Kirabi feigned defeat).
Also, could you tell me what armor you were referring to?
King Kandy - I'd say Itachi acquired the Mirror and the Sword. I'm a little skeptical on the notion that said items belonged to Itachi. That, or they really are not the Yata no Kagami, and the Sword of Totsuka (Itachi never confirmed it iirc)
~ The quote function doesn't seem to be working for me >__<
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixItachi was able to stop Amaterasu. What Sasuke did to Karin, and Hachibi wasn't new for the move. Itachi does it against Sasuke. Now being able to control it like that, and wrap it around Susanoo is probably something Itachi never thought to do because..well one its suppose to reflect any attack so you don't need it (at least assuming the shield and sword are inherent to Susanoo), and two Itachi never really seemed creative in moves. Sasuke has expanded on chidori after all.
Itachi has most likely had a lot more time to refine or learn more about his techniques.Either way, all I'm saying is that Itachi's MS jutsu appear weaker when Sasuke uses them (particularly Susano'o), but given that he's had the techniques for a month at most, he's using them quite well (though still spamming them for no reason apparently)
As for pulling things out of his ass, he most likely will, seeing as he hasn't shown his own MS jutsu.
Though I'm wondering whether the ability to quell Amaterasu is unique to him or not, and if it is unique, does it extend to other ninjutsu as well.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixWell it didn't burn Hachibi to ashes in second or Karin. But who knows. I just prefer to think it's because Sasuke sucks, and he's using second hand jutsus so in the transfer they got weaker..Or maybe just Itachi being so much more powerful made the jutsu more powerful. Like any other jutsu would be.
Right, forgot that scan. Ahh well, out the window that idea goes.Hearkens back to the whole weaker but more innovative thing then. Though the Amaterasu against Kirabi looked pretty powerful. Perhaps Sasuke can control how much of the flames come out in order to conserve chakra?
Originally posted by psycho gundam
well, orochimaru looked all over for that sword, little did he know it was a spiritual weapon made of energy.
Also i'd just like to say that I have maintained ever since Sasuke got his mangekyo that he could do all three Itachi jutsu. So everyone who disagreed with me, ha.
I don't think the jutsu being weaker has to do with it being "transferred". In fact I doubt amaterasu was transferred at all, outside of his first use of it. Instead it seems to me evidence that besides Kakashi, mangekyo comes w/ the same jutsu for all users. Kakashi's is anomalous for a number of other reasons though.
Originally posted by King KandyIt's quite possible that the legend comes from the MS technique. And that's why Orochimaru wanted the Sharingan and Sasuke's 'superior' eyes as he noted and was surprised to find out Itachi had it.
Yeah, see, that's the problem. At some point prior to Itachi it had to have been used by someone besides him, or nobody would have the notion of it even existing. And at no point is it explained that external items can somehow magically become a property of a jutsu, much less a genetic one.Also i'd just like to say that I have maintained ever since Sasuke got his mangekyo that he could do all three Itachi jutsu. So everyone who disagreed with me, ha.
I don't think the jutsu being weaker has to do with it being "transferred". In fact I doubt amaterasu was transferred at all, outside of his first use of it. Instead it seems to me evidence that besides Kakashi, mangekyo comes w/ the same jutsu for all users. Kakashi's is anomalous for a number of other reasons though.
And Madara does say he transferred over all the techniques. And all MS look different it's not hard to believe they all have a special jutsu.
Originally posted by Kento
Well it didn't burn Hachibi to ashes in second or Karin. But who knows. I just prefer to think it's because Sasuke sucks, and he's using second hand jutsus so in the transfer they got weaker..Or maybe just Itachi being so much more powerful made the jutsu more powerful. Like any other jutsu would be.
I doubt Itachi's Amaterasu (when he is shown using it) is capable of burning humans in seconds (perhaps half a minute). He wouldn't have been able to put out the flames around Sasuke quickly enough.
He's had more experience with the technique, which is why I think his version is more powerful.
~ Wouldn't Jiraiya have known about Amaterasu had Madara or other MS Uchiha used Amaterasu? (I don't remember what he said when he saw the black flames).
Amaterasu/Tsuki/Susano'o are all unique to Itachi imo. Though that does not explain why Sasuke uses a different eye when casting Ama & Tsuki. It most likely would have been the same eye if Itachi had transferred them.
Originally posted by Kento
It's quite possible that the legend comes from the MS technique. And that's why Orochimaru wanted the Sharingan and Sasuke's 'superior' eyes as he noted and was surprised to find out Itachi had it.And Madara does say he transferred over all the techniques. And all MS look different it's not hard to believe they all have a special jutsu.
When did Madara ever say Itachi transferred all techniques? All he said was that Itachi transferred amaterasu, which would automatically activate. We've seen what a transferred jutsu looks like, Sasuke manifested Itachi's eyes when using it, now the jutsu clearly come from his own eyes and not a sealed version of Itachi's.
If all MS have different techniques, why have the regular variety (pure uchiha, coming from someone close dying) both shown nothing but the exact same set of jutsu? I mean you could be right but I would wait until Sasuke manifests an MS jutsu that is not the same as Itachi's to make such a statement.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Amaterasu/Tsuki/Susano'o are all unique to Itachi imo. Though that does not explain why Sasuke uses a different eye when casting Ama & Tsuki. It most likely would have been the same eye if Itachi had transferred them.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixIt was still pretty fast nonetheless. And nearly turned the whole body to ash. Granted it wasn't a human body...But still. It also burned through the toad stomach extremely fast. It didn't take Jiraiya that long to get to the corner and they were long gone.
I doubt Itachi's Amaterasu (when he is shown using it) is capable of burning humans in seconds (perhaps half a minute). He wouldn't have been able to put out the flames around Sasuke quickly enough.He's had more experience with the technique, which is why I think his version is more powerful.
~ Wouldn't Jiraiya have known about Amaterasu had Madara or other MS Uchiha used Amaterasu? (I don't remember what he said when he saw the black flames).
Amaterasu/Tsuki/Susano'o are all unique to Itachi imo. Though that does not explain why Sasuke uses a different eye when casting Ama & Tsuki. It most likely would have been the same eye if Itachi had transferred them.
You're probably right. I had most likely read a mistranslated sentence.
It would explain why Sasuke uses the left eye when casting Amaterasu, while Itachi uses the right. That means that Sasuke's MS techs are aligned with the myth which implies that Sasuke's MS techs will most likely become more powerful than Itachi's >__>.
Isn't mastery of Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi a requirement for Susano'o?
Originally posted by King KandyDifferent techniques doesn't mean that somebody in the past couldn't of had it though. Of course it's all speculation anyway. Maybe it's just a family thing. Brothers get the same techniques. There has to be some reason Kakashi has his MS technique, and assuming Tobi's is MS.
That is certainly plausible, though that would mean you are wrong when you say later that all MS have different techniques.When did Madara ever say Itachi transferred all techniques? All he said was that Itachi transferred amaterasu, which would automatically activate. We've seen what a transferred jutsu looks like, Sasuke manifested [B]Itachi's
eyes when using it, now the jutsu clearly come from his own eyes and not a sealed version of Itachi's.If all MS have different techniques, why have the regular variety (pure uchiha, coming from someone close dying) both shown nothing but the exact same set of jutsu? I mean you could be right but I would wait until Sasuke manifests an MS jutsu that is not the same as Itachi's to make such a statement. [/B]
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v43/c397/11.html
'He transferred all his eye techniques to you'
That sentence COULD have been translated poorly. The original sentence was vague with its meaning (could be taken either way)
The third databook probably clarified things up afaik.
Though for all we know, Sasuke could still come up with different MS techniques.
Originally posted by Kento
It was still pretty fast nonetheless. And nearly turned the whole body to ash. Granted it wasn't a human body...But still. It also burned through the toad stomach extremely fast. It didn't take Jiraiya that long to get to the corner and they were long gone.
Karin wasn't really engulfed in the flames, like Sasuke's wings (the areas that were burnt iirc) were; granted, the amount of the flames won't affect its rate of burning.
Kirabi got hit with most of it (and there were a lot of flames), though he was fully transformed.
I'm with you on the point that Itachi's Amaterasu is more powerful than Sasuke's current Amaterasu though.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixIt's possible it is.
That sentence COULD have been translated poorly. The original sentence was vague with its meaning (could be taken either way)
The third databook probably clarified things up afaik.Though for all we know, Sasuke could still come up with different MS techniques.
Karin wasn't really engulfed in the flames, like Sasuke's wings (the areas that were burnt iirc) were; granted, the amount of the flames won't affect its rate of burning.
Kirabi got hit with most of it (and there were a lot of flames), though he was fully transformed.I'm with you on the point that Itachi's Amaterasu is more powerful than Sasuke's current Amaterasu though.
Sasuke would probably come up with a different MS technique even if there wasn't the chance different MS had different attacks. lol
Well the flame sorta spread up Sasuke though and quickly. But it was aimed at Sasuke. The black flames didn't spread across the wall after all when Itachi used it so who knows.