The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
You don't really pay attention to a lot of things, do you? Temari is the daughter of the Kazekage and did not do anything "better" than Hinata. She fought two opponents she was designed to beat. Temari is a ranged combatant and Hinata is close quarters. Either would destroy eachother in their respective areas. Tayuya was never confirmed to be a genin, and she fought Genma/Raidou along with the other Sound 4. Hardly someone equal to Hinata's rank.

What sidelined characters have such great appearances? And why compare her to the starting 11, that's not a particularly fairl deal or a decent measuring stick for an average chuunin/genin? Naruto and Sasuke are the strongest genin evaaa. Sakura is the Hokage's personal apprentice. Neji is the genius son of the hyuuga and Rock Lee is not even worth bringing up and Shikamaru beat a god damned member of Akatsuki. Which leaves who? Tenten, Kiba, Shino, Ino and Chouji? Hinata being weaker or stronger than any of these is arguable.

Further more, what's wrong with losing? Rock Lee's two major fights have been losses. She faced down Neji, her senior and Pein. You have to look at her performances in these fights, not chalk it up to win/loss ratio facepalm And as a result of BOTH these cases, she provided Naruto with the emotional support he needed to win. This ain't no interpretation, that's just how it is. I claimed that Hinata provided Naruto with important emotional support, and she did.

Shino and Kankuro's showings against eachother put them both on a signifigantly higher level than Hinata. Chouji was fighting against Asura Realm and Deva Realm along with his father and Kakashi, and his showing against Jirobo puts him on a greater level as well. Look up Kiba's showing against Sakon and Ukon please, who were by the way the strongest of the Sound Four before Kimimaro joined. Tenten lost to Temari only because she was the worst opponent she could have, but let's say Hinata is stronger, sure, and yeah, Ino is failsauce.

Nothing. There is something wrong when your only fights ended in losses and you were defeated effortlessly. Rock Lee's actual showings in those two losses however are far greater, actually holding his own against Gaara. Look at their performances? And what exactly are her ****ing performances? 😬 Losing, effortlessly, Neji toyed with her the whole fight and Pain knocked her back without any effort, her performances are garbage, this is unarguable. And who the **** is talking about the "emotional support" she provides, which is really just a way to say she lost which pissed Naruto off.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Daughter of the Kazekage? Um, who gives a ****? Sarutobi is the son of the Third, he is nowhere near as powerful, Konohamaru is his grandson, also nowhere near as powerful, though he did defeat Pain's weakest body. She was still a Genin, who lost to another Genin. Didn't do anything better? Are you off your ****ing rocker? Other than destroying a large section of forest, killing Tayuya? Don't kid yourself, Temari's showings are far superior, which all consist of being effortlessly dispatched by superior opponents. Hinata would never get close. Tayuya loses to Genin while using her Cursed Mark. Yeah. Also, she had the entire Sound Four's help in that fight, and they admitted they would have died if they did not use their Cursed Marks, and Genma and Raidou would exhausted from a mission. So yeah.

Shino and Kankuro's showings against eachother put them both on a signifigantly higher level than Hinata. Chouji was fighting against Asura Realm and Deva Realm along with his father and Kakashi, and his showing against Jirobo puts him on a greater level as well. Look up Kiba's showing against Sakon and Ukon please, who were by the way the strongest of the Sound Four before Kimimaro joined. Tenten lost to Temari only because she was the worst opponent she could have, but let's say Hinata is stronger, sure, and yeah, Ino is failsauce.

Nothing. There is something wrong when your only fights ended in losses and you were defeated effortlessly. Rock Lee's actual showings in those two losses however are far greater, actually holding his own against Gaara. Look at their performances? And what exactly are her ****ing performances? 😬 Losing, effortlessly, Neji toyed with her the whole fight and Pain knocked her back without any effort, her performances are garbage, this is unarguable. And who the **** is talking about the "emotional support" she provides, which is really just a way to say she lost which pissed Naruto off.

Being the daughter or the son of the kage doesn't matter? No? I guess it's coincidence that they happen to be the strongest ****ing shinobi in the village then. Because going by Naruto, Tsunade, Konohamaru, Asuma, Temari and Kankuro, they seem to be very, very talented. You don't have to kill Jounin left and right at the age of 10 to be talented. Kankuro and Temari are very young jounin, Konohamaru can already use rasengan/kagebunshin and Asuma was stronger than the average Jounin by far. He had one of the biggest bounties on his head. So once again, please explain how being related to the Kage do not factor in? Because even if it's not in the genes, they still receive far better training and upbringing than the average Shinobi.

Oh wow, really? She helped beat Tayuya? Awesome! She's superior at a distance and inferior in close combat, just like I said. She's also ranked -above- Hinata. Tayuya was not a genin, and the boost given to you by curse seal is far above anything any genin can compete with. Shikamaru didn't win on his own and he was clearly outgunned, despite knowing jutsu above genin rank. Tayuya also happened to have so much chakra that she could overpower Shikamaru's kagemane. Notice how Hidan couldn't even come close to doing that.

And then we're on to Kiba, who was able to stave off Sakon/Ukon. Very impressive. He employed a B-rank Jutsu, something which shouldn't be available to Genin. But regardless of that and Orochimaru's statement, Sakon/Ukon's special ability worked best for stealth and assassination. There's no telling how Hinata would have fared against them either. Nor can we tell how a fight between Hinata and Kiba would go.

Chouji fought against a Pein, so what. The amount he contributed was minimal and he would've been dead had it not been for Kakashi. In fact, all Chouji and his father did was attack the Pein mid-combat and then do what Kakashi said. "Roll and grab the chains I put out" this definitely speaks volumes of Chouji's skill and combat prowess. In fact, all he did was increase the size of his one hand and roll. That's something he could've accomplished as a genin, the bare basics of Akimichi combat.

There is nothing wrong when you're defeated effortlessly by Neji and Pein. Neji has everything Hinata has, and more. Pein, common. Regardless of the outcome in her fight against Neji, she displayed the ability to use Hyuuga techniques. That stuff is strong and it's the end for anyone who attempts to counter it with regular taijutsu. Nor is combat ability everything, she's great for detecting chakra, which is a valuable team asset. Byakugan works for far more than direct combat.

And you're still denying the fact that Hinata provided Naruto with emotional support and determination. Which proves that you've lost track of your original argument. Hinata is not just a walking rack, she's emotional support for the main character. There's nothing you can make up against that, except pure bias and stupidity. Naruto would not have been able to defeat Neji, nor would he have been able to defeat Pein.

End of discussion kiddo, ignore.

Rock Lee fought people that nobody at the time could have beaten.
Kimmimaro-doubt anyone would have won against him.
Gaara- nobody except the jonin and naruto can really beat him at that point in time.

Originally posted by yungz22
Rock Lee fought people that nobody at the time could have beaten.
Kimmimaro-doubt anyone would have won against him.
Gaara- nobody except the jonin and naruto can really beat him at that point in time.

What are you talking about?

Both of those were beaten and could be beaten by people at the time. This doesn't take anything away from Rock Lee. Nor was that what me and Jaxx were discussing.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Being the daughter or the son of the kage doesn't matter? No? I guess it's coincidence that they happen to be the strongest ****ing shinobi in the village then. Because going by Naruto, Tsunade, Konohamaru, Asuma, Temari and Kankuro, they seem to be very, very talented. You don't have to kill Jounin left and right at the age of 10 to be talented. Kankuro and Temari are very young jounin, Konohamaru can already use rasengan/kagebunshin and Asuma was stronger than the average Jounin by far. He had one of the biggest bounties on his head. So once again, please explain how being related to the Kage do not factor in? Because even if it's not in the genes, they still receive far better training and upbringing than the average Shinobi.

Oh wow, really? She helped beat Tayuya? Awesome! She's superior at a distance and inferior in close combat, just like I said. She's also ranked -above- Hinata. Tayuya was not a genin, and the boost given to you by curse seal is far above anything any genin can compete with. Shikamaru didn't win on his own and he was clearly outgunned, despite knowing jutsu above genin rank. Tayuya also happened to have so much chakra that she could overpower Shikamaru's kagemane. Notice how Hidan couldn't even come close to doing that.

And then we're on to Kiba, who was able to stave off Sakon/Ukon. Very impressive. He employed a B-rank Jutsu, something which shouldn't be available to Genin. But regardless of that and Orochimaru's statement, Sakon/Ukon's special ability worked best for stealth and assassination. There's no telling how Hinata would have fared against them either. Nor can we tell how a fight between Hinata and Kiba would go.

Chouji fought against a Pein, so what. The amount he contributed was minimal and he would've been dead had it not been for Kakashi. In fact, all Chouji and his father did was attack the Pein mid-combat and then do what Kakashi said. "Roll and grab the chains I put out" this definitely speaks volumes of Chouji's skill and combat prowess. In fact, all he did was increase the size of his one hand and roll. That's something he could've accomplished as a genin, the bare basics of Akimichi combat.

There is nothing wrong when you're defeated effortlessly by Neji and Pein. Neji has everything Hinata has, and more. Pein, common. Regardless of the outcome in her fight against Neji, she displayed the ability to use Hyuuga techniques. That stuff is strong and it's the end for anyone who attempts to counter it with regular taijutsu. Nor is combat ability everything, she's great for detecting chakra, which is a valuable team asset. Byakugan works for far more than direct combat.

And you're still denying the fact that Hinata provided Naruto with emotional support and determination. Which proves that you've lost track of your original argument. Hinata is not just a walking rack, she's emotional support for the main character. There's nothing you can make up against that, except pure bias and stupidity. Naruto would not have been able to defeat Neji, nor would he have been able to defeat Pein.

End of discussion kiddo, ignore.

its amazing that you can make a huge argument without actually making an argument or back up anything (stating something as a fact doesnt make it a fact) then go on to ignore someone. how old are you? 😐

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
its amazing that you can make a huge argument without actually making an argument or back up anything (stating something as a fact doesnt make it a fact) then go on to ignore someone. how old are you? 😐

lmfao, what's that?

What about my argument needs "backing up" ? Do I need to post scans when I claim that Chouji or Hinata fought Pein, is that? 😐

If he hasn't figured out that Hinata provided Naruto with emotional support, no amount of scans I post can help him out. He's already read it 😐

Originally posted by yungz22
Rock Lee fought people that nobody at the time could have beaten.
Kimmimaro-doubt anyone would have won against him.
Gaara- nobody except the jonin and naruto can really beat him at that point in time.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Sasuke did far better against Gaara than Rock Lee did.

Lee could have done very well though. I dare say it takes far less of a toll on him to simply fight taijutsu, then it does for Gaara to manipulate sand while keeping up the sand armour. Hadn't he been so impatient, he could've worn down Gaara's chakra.

I agree, it was a very impressive showing... I want to see him in shippuden using chakra-enhanced taijutsu like Gai does.

Jaxx, seriously, tone down the hostility a bit. And I'm kinda getting sick of seeing "****" a dozen times per post.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Lee could have done very well though. I dare say it takes far less of a toll on him to simply fight taijutsu, then it does for Gaara to manipulate sand while keeping up the sand armour. Hadn't he been so impatient, he could've worn down Gaara's chakra.

I agree. But, he was a young overly-zealous H2H fighter.

Also, the g-forces of being knocked around the room so fast that you can't be seen would have caused tons of internal damage to Gaara, despite his sand armor...but, I'm being too realistic. lol

Originally posted by yungz22
Rock Lee fought people that nobody at the time could have beaten.
Kimmimaro-doubt anyone would have won against him.

Perhaps if he weren't hampered by his disease, yeah. Otherwise, he lost, in a bit of an anti-climatic way, but lost nonetheless. 'Sides, Drunken Lee was pushing him back.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I agree. But, he was a young overly-zealous H2H fighter.

Yeah, I guess that's a much of a strength as a weakness when it gets down to it. If he hadn't been so impatient, he might never have reached that level in the first place.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Yeah, I guess that's a much of a strength as a weakness when it gets down to it. If he hadn't been so impatient, he might never have reached that level in the first place.

IM not sure because gaara still had the sand skin armor and everytime weights off lee hit him it would just regenerate. Which is the reason he said speed alone will not win the fight.

Originally posted by yungz22
IM not sure because gaara still had the sand skin armor and everytime weights off lee hit him it would just regenerate. Which is the reason he said speed alone will not win the fight.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Sasuke did far better against Gaara than Rock Lee did.

Only because Rock Lee basically insists on using that retarded attack that annihilates him. I can't think, has he ever use that ability successfully? He used it on Dosu, who was saved by Zaku, Rock Lee then became weak then got pwnt. And used it on Gaara who substituted out of it.

Record-wise it's the worst Technique in the entire series.

Imagine the fun there would have been had he tried it on Kimimaro. Think about it...

Spoiler:
Binding himself to a guy who can shoot spikes out of his body.... admitidly when i was first watching that fight i thought for a moment he was going to do it

Originally posted by Kento
Yes but the Sand Armor used a lot of chakra. He wouldn't have been able to keep regenerating it for long.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Don't his sand armor and sand shield use Shukaku's chakra instead of his?

Originally posted by Kento
No his Sand Armor is his own chakra. Kankuro comments on how much chakra it uses.

Originally posted by King Kandy
So is it just his sand shield that Shukaku does? What exactly does he power and what doesn't he?