Originally posted by Kento
Haha throwing Kyuubi by his tail, then Rasen shuriken....but who is going to appear next in Naruto's head...
maybe Itachi will show up when he fights Sasuke and say; "hey remember that genjutsu crow i shoved down your throat that i'm sure the readers have forgotten about by now? well here's how you use it..."
Originally posted by dadudemon
Chunin and Jonin are hardly rookies, guys.They are all full fledged m-er effin' ninjas.
At this point in the story, Genin/Chunin/Jounin is nothing more than a forgotten title.
Lee's probably Jounin level in terms of strength (even though he'll never become a Jounin, not unless the 2 elements requirement is lifted), and Sakura could even be Jounin level. Kakashi's closer to Kage-level than he is Jounin-level IMO.
Then we have 2 Kage-level Genins if that says anything. 😐
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
At this point in the story, Genin/Chunin/Jounin is nothing more than a forgotten title.
Lee's probably Jounin level in terms of strength (even though he'll never become a Jounin, not unless the 2 elements requirement is lifted), and Sakura could even be Jounin level. Kakashi's closer to Kage-level than he is Jounin-level IMO.Then we have 2 Kage-level Genins if that says anything. 😐
Originally posted by King Kandy
Is Sasuke a "genin"? He could have gotten promoted as a sound-nin.
Officially, he's a missing-nin, but the last rank he carried was Genin, so I included him with Naruto. >__>
I doubt Orochimaru would have enrolled him in any Chuunin exams. I'm even more doubtful Sasuke would be concerned with such stuff.
Mm, yea. In Sound, his rank was effectively "Orochimaru's favorite." More recently, it was "Leader of Hebi/Taka."
The last rank-rank he's had is Genin, but unlike Naruto he's pretty much abandoned that one as he's no longer part of that organization.
Demonic PhoenixLee's probably Jounin level in terms of strength (even though he'll never become a Jounin, not unless the 2 elements requirement is lifted),
I'm not sure if that's a strict restriction. Kakashi said it's normal for Jonin to have two, but I'd suspect there are exceptions.
Most notably, we've never seen a Hyuuga do an elemental jutsu, but they have jonin (ditto Ino, Choji, and Shikamaru's fathers). So I think good clan jutsu can substitute, and probably to a lesser extent any jutsu period, it's just most ninja that good can get two/getting two help ninja get that good.
and Sakura could even be Jounin level. Kakashi's closer to Kage-level than he is Jounin-level IMO.
Considering he was 3 seconds from being Kage, yea, I think we can take that as a given 🙂
In a village, jonin-rank translates to 'anyone of jonin skill or higher who's not Kage, whether they're normal jonin, edging into S, or even uber S-class badasses, since there's only one kage'. No promotions past it, just specific posts like ANBU captain or Root commander. All the actual full jonins we run into tend to be pretty darn badass too, the manga doesn't use 'random jonins' unlike the anime, all the minor character 'jonin' are just special jonin.
I'd think most of the jonin elite (that is, the team leaders of the main 12) are likely the short list of 'people who may eventually be kage'.
On Sakura, she's easily special jonin level, and might be jonin from the combination of strength and medic/poison skills.
Originally posted by Q99
Mm, yea. In Sound, his rank was effectively "Orochimaru's favorite." More recently, it was "Leader of Hebi/Taka."The last rank-rank he's had is Genin, but unlike Naruto he's pretty much abandoned that one as he's no longer part of that organization.
Pretty much. He's a missing-nin. Though missing-nins can range from Chuunin level strength to Kage level strength.
Originally posted by Q99
I'm not sure if that's a strict restriction. Kakashi said it's normal for Jonin to have two, but I'd suspect there are exceptions.Most notably, we've never seen a Hyuuga do an elemental jutsu, but they have jonin (ditto Ino, Choji, and Shikamaru's fathers). So I think good clan jutsu can substitute, and probably to a lesser extent any jutsu period, it's just most ninja that good can get two/getting two help ninja get that good.
This scan makes it clear, while the onemanga scan is a little more 'loose'. Kakashi stated that Jounins could usually use at least 2 elements in that one. If the 'at least' part weren't there, I'd agree with you.
Meh, what you say makes sense though.
I can imagine Gai trying his hardest to make Lee a Jounin.
Originally posted by Q99
Considering he was 3 seconds from being Kage, yea, I think we can take that as a given 🙂
Well, becoming Kage isn't all about strength.😛 If it were, Naruto would have been made Kage the minute he defeated Pein.
IMO, he actually approaches Kage-level strength. Probably approaches Gaara's level I guess.
Originally posted by Q99
In a village, jonin-rank translates to 'anyone of jonin skill or higher who's not Kage, whether they're normal jonin, edging into S, or even uber S-class badasses, since there's only one kage'. No promotions past it, just specific posts like ANBU captain or Root commander. All the actual full jonins we run into tend to be pretty darn badass too, the manga doesn't use 'random jonins' unlike the anime, all the minor character 'jonin' are just special jonin.I'd think most of the jonin elite (that is, the team leaders of the main 12) are likely the short list of 'people who may eventually be kage'.
On Sakura, she's easily special jonin level, and might be jonin from the combination of strength and medic/poison skills.
True.
Jounins are strong, there's no denying that.
It's just that from all of the Jounins we've seen thus far, none of them ever show any signs of approaching Kage level strength with the exception of Kakashi and Gai.
Besides, IMO, ranks, as far as the system is concerned, have more to do with experience and qualities, rather than strength.
Either way, ranks have pretty much taken a back-seat in part 2.
~ Maybe we should make up a ranking system for these Naruto characters. X-class (where X represents C to S?) would be better than Genin, Chuunin, Jounin & Kage-level IMO
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
This scan makes it clear, while the onemanga scan is a little more 'loose'. Kakashi stated that Jounins could usually use at least 2 elements in that one. If the 'at least' part weren't there, I'd agree with you.Meh, what you say makes sense though.
The Viz translation also takes a looser tact.
True.
Jounins are strong, there's no denying that.
It's just that from all of the Jounins we've seen thus far, none of them ever show any signs of approaching Kage level strength with the exception of Kakashi and Gai.
Still, Asuma's very all-around good and Kurenai's supposed to be the absolute best at genjutsu as well as being solid in other areas. In another two years I could picture them at Kakashi level pretty easily (judging by the stat book, Asuma's above pre-implant Kabuto, and we know how they talk him up).
Of course, the main thing he's lacking next to the S-classes is a trump card, like a kekkei genkai or uber chakra or even the gates. He's just all around pretty awesome.
Besides, IMO, ranks, as far as the system is concerned, have more to do with experience and qualities, rather than strength.
Either way, ranks have pretty much taken a back-seat in part 2.
Agreed.
~ Maybe we should make up a ranking system for these Naruto characters. X-class (where X represents C to S?) would be better than Genin, Chuunin, Jounin & Kage-level IMO
Yea.
Hmm... I'd put the Legendary Trio and most actual Kage at S+, Kakashi at S with most of the Akatsuki, Gai at S-, Asuma and Kurenai at A+, the father Jonin at A (excepting Hinata's, who I think is also A+), Ibiki and Anko and most other special at A- as well as Sakura...
Not too much of a fan of the current battle.
I regularly don't watch the anime, but I have been checking out some of the highlights "Sasuke vs Itachi" and currently "Naruto vs Pain" which is pretty well done.
I know some people preferred the battles in the intro, but keep in mind that they're more difficult (and more importantly expensive) to animate.
The most interesting battle in the manga so far has been Danzo's, probably because we didn't know anything about he fought. But I'm looking forward to the animation of that battle.
