The Official Naruto series Thread

I don't think we need to add the kyuubi in the rankings since it's not exactly a shinobi...

I agree with the rest...

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

It's also a disadvantage if she ends up using it in a battle, and is somehow forced into a situation where she would need to use it again.

Which is pretty rare. And she's not the only one with limited usage- Orochimaru can only do his regen so many times.

Really? Where'd you hear that?
As for the anime, yeah, same here. Though I think she's already saved the rest of Konoha and entered Coma in the anime.

I think it was a manga review site... aagh, can't remember which one... apparently it drew some complaints from Japanese fans.

Anyway, whoever the editor is, on the one hand I like that they're keeping the pace up, much better than Bleach, on the other hand I would've love to see that fight.

True. Though IMO, it seems more fitting if the Sage gets SSS, as opposed to SS+. Or we could just put Hiruzen, the Kyuubi, and Madara w/ Kyuubi in SS+?
Hashirama with most of the tailed beasts under his control could be in SS+ as well. While Hashirama on his own would be in SS.

I'm not completely sure he'd be SS without them, I'd think he'd be S+ or SS-. Zombie-him didn't seem significantly more powerful than his zombie brother.

It is kinda hard to rate these fighter we haven't actually seen fight much ^^

Hashirama shouldn't be SS until we actually know how it was his fight with Madara went down. He seemed weaker than Sarutobi, to the extent that he could easily be a whole tier lower.

I wonder why Madara is so feared. Was it because of Kyuubi, or because of his legendary 4th EMS sharingan technique, or just the fact he was that powerful. Or maybe all three.

Originally posted by Kento
I wonder why Madara is so feared. Was it because of Kyuubi, or because of his legendary 4th EMS sharingan technique, or just the fact he was that powerful. Or maybe all three.

Originally posted by King Kandy
What fourth technique? I don't remember that being mentioned.

Getting EMS gave Madara a complete new eye technique. And we know MS has three eye techniques.

Originally posted by Kento
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v42/c386/9.html

Getting EMS gave Madara a complete new eye technique. And we know MS has three eye techniques.

Unrelated, I wonder if you have EMS can you use Izanagi without your eye being destroyed?

Originally posted by King Kandy
Hmm, I wonder what the fourth MS would be called. We already have an Izanagi, so the three main shinto gods and their parent are all taken care of.

Unrelated, I wonder if you have EMS can you use Izanagi without your eye being destroyed?

It's possible but I doubt it.

Originally posted by Q99
Which is pretty rare. And she's not the only one with limited usage- Orochimaru can only do his regen so many times.

Mainly because she's never really had a 'serious' battle. Her only major battle was against Kabuto and a gimped Orochimaru.

True, but Orochimaru's regen can be used a number of times in a single battle unlike Tsunade's. Did Jiraiya's Sage mode have a limit?

Originally posted by Q99
I'm not completely sure he'd be SS without them, I'd think he'd be S+ or SS-. Zombie-him didn't seem significantly more powerful than his zombie brother.

It is kinda hard to rate these fighter we haven't actually seen fight much ^^

Agreed. I was thinking of suggesting S+ for Hashirama without the beasts, but I thought that might be too low as he regularly took on Madara with the EMS I think.
If Edo Tensei perfectly restores a character's strength, Hiruzen in his old age was a lot better than Hashirama.

Agreed again. We mostly have to base it on hype and certain facts. Still, since Hashirama had most of the beasts under his control, he should easily be in SS.

Originally posted by Kento
I wonder why Madara is so feared. Was it because of Kyuubi, or because of his legendary 4th EMS sharingan technique, or just the fact he was that powerful. Or maybe all three.

It's coz he's an Uchiha biscuits

~ He was praised as the strongest of his clan (one of the strongest clans at the time) when he obtained the MS. Kyuubi and the EMS+4th tech likely just pushed him into uber level.

Maybe the 4th tech is his space-time ninjutsu srug

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
[B]Mainly because she's never really had a 'serious' battle. Her only major battle was against Kabuto and a gimped Orochimaru.

True, but Orochimaru's regen can be used a number of times in a single battle unlike Tsunade's. Did Jiraiya's Sage mode have a limit?

Yea, but the chakra reserve is more flexible than Orochimaru's move.

Sage mode, I don't think has a limit, but it does need the frogs.

Agreed. I was thinking of suggesting S+ for Hashirama without the beasts, but I thought that might be too low as he regularly took on Madara with the EMS I think.

S+ is pretty much "super awesome uber," let's not forget 🙂

SS is just a "Super awesome uber" with some additional major trump like the eternal thingy or beasts.

Originally posted by Kento
I wonder why Madara is so feared. Was it because of Kyuubi, or because of his legendary 4th EMS sharingan technique, or just the fact he was that powerful. Or maybe all three.

On a serious note, Onoki seemed to believe that Madara at full power would be enough of a threat to not even need to act in the shadows, as if none of them could stop him.

Or that someone of Madara's repute and power could act openly and simply gather forces to him that way, sorta like Orochimaru but more-so.

Hmm is it ever said Tsuchikage fought Madara though? I know he was alive during that time, but so was Saru and he wouldn't have ever fought Mdara, and he was part of the Senju Clan. Madara's reputation, and able to fight Shodai even though he was so young probably just made him out to be stronger than he actually was.

Originally posted by Kento
Hmm is it ever said Tsuchikage fought Madara though? I know he was alive during that time, but so was Saru and he wouldn't have ever fought Mdara, and he was part of the Senju Clan. Madara's reputation, and able to fight Shodai even though he was so young probably just made him out to be stronger than he actually was.

How old is Tsuchikage anyway?

Originally posted by Q99
Yea, but the chakra reserve is more flexible than Orochimaru's move.

Sage mode, I don't think has a limit, but it does need the frogs.

True, but I'd rather have the ability to 'regen' thrice at least, as opposed to a one-time massive chakra surge that is primarily intended to regenerate you completely.

So then the only reason Naruto has a limit on Sage Mode is due to the Kyuubi's interference mmm

Originally posted by Q99
S+ is pretty much "super awesome uber," let's not forget 🙂

SS is just a "Super awesome uber" with some additional major trump like the eternal thingy or beasts.

Fair enough.

So, let's get started on teh rankings then 313

Originally posted by Kento
How old is Tsuchikage anyway?

Over 60 at least I'd say.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Over 60 at least I'd say.

I'd say he's at least 80. He's really, really damn old, his body isn't in as good of shape as Sarutobi at all.

Originally posted by Kento
He's got to be older than Saru if he actually fought Madara since Saru was just a kid when Konoha was founded.

Over 70-80 then.

pushing 90