Hm, this is the first real group battle we've seen, isn't it?
It's a lot like the solo fights except with having to dodge people trying to stab you in the back more often, it seems. And more support (rock guy, healers available, etc.).
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Oh and Kankuro need to die! Sorry but can somebody please kill him off. Maybe Chiyo or another zombie but Kishimoto should really just kill him.
Why?
He had his moment, and it's not like he's going to get a ton more.
Originally posted by Q99
Hm, this is the first real group battle we've seen, isn't it?It's a lot like the solo fights except with having to dodge people trying to stab you in the back more often, it seems. And more support (rock guy, healers available, etc.).
Why?
He had his moment, and it's not like he's going to get a ton more.
It's a bit harder to follow though. But other then that, yeah. Group battles should be fun.
It's mostly because Kankuro amounts to nothing to me. I like Sai far more just for not being as uninteresting as Kankuro. And then Kankuro has the nerve to say he has surpassed Sasori? Instant hate for such an arrogant punk.
Originally posted by Q99
Named characters dying are big, dramatic affairs with both leadup and people's reaction to it.You're asking for a Kankuro mini-arc, to have him go down that way.
He has never given me reason to believe he is more significant than Anko, who was killed/beaten/whatever of screen. Only reason he might get attention is because he is captain of the ambush squad.
He's the brother of Gaara and Temari, tightly tying him to more major characters who'd have big reactions, and has had a few times the page time of Anko, as well as multiple prior fights (3 onscreen and one off) compared to Anko's one.
More than Asuma before his death, really.
And if it's done to show how powerful a villain is, then that means that villain's defeat in turn will reference it heavily, the same as Asuma/Hidan and Jiraiya/Pain.
So yea, you two really look like you're asking for a mini-arc to me.
Personally I think you'd be happier if someone mentioned how the immortality cost zombies their edge (like Kankuro... pretty much did), and have Kankuro only show up in bit parts from here on in.
Originally posted by Q99
So yea, you two really look like you're asking for a mini-arc to me.Personally I think you'd be happier if someone mentioned how the immortality cost zombies their edge (like Kankuro... pretty much did), and have Kankuro only show up in bit parts from here on in.
Mini-arc? No. Death to a character I dislike? Yes. No reason for it to be a detailed . Kankuro's death wouldn't even need as much attention as Asuma's.
.....The only instance of that would be Sai's brother dying of....yeah. Sasori lost his edge due to having no weapons to work with. Deidara's attacks are apparently common knowledge now, so it is the information that kinda screwed him over.
If Sasori had puppets or if Deidara's weakness wasn't known, they'd have one. Easily.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Mini-arc? No. Death to a character I dislike? Yes. No reason for it to be a detailed . Kankuro's death wouldn't even need as much attention as Asuma's......The only instance of that would be Sai's brother dying of....yeah. Sasori lost his edge due to having no weapons to work with. Deidara's attacks are apparently common knowledge now, so it is the information that kinda screwed him over.
If Sasori had puppets or if Deidara's weakness wasn't known, they'd have one. Easily.
Onoki must have shared the info with some of the others or something.
Though it's still a shitty way to have him lose a fight.
Infinitely worse than the deal with Sasuke, who actually had to figure it out, and got knocked about a fair deal in the process.
AND DEIDARA DID NOT EVEN GET TO SUICIDE BOMB!
Meh, I get the feeling that Sasori will undergo the same shit that happened to Shin.
~ Hopefully that Zombie sensor dude with the Shades rescues them.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Onoki must have shared the info with some of the others or something.Though it's still a shitty way to have him lose a fight.
Infinitely worse than the deal with Sasuke, who actually had to figure it out, and got knocked about a fair deal in the process.
AND DEIDARA DID NOT EVEN GET TO SUICIDE BOMB!Meh, I get the feeling that Sasori will undergo the same shit that happened to Shin.
~ Hopefully that Zombie sensor dude with the Shades rescues them.
I figured as much. It's actually not bad that they knew his weakness, just how quick their defeat was.
From who? Only one I could think of that would get an emotional tug out of him is Chiyo.
Again, Hanzo is going to **** shit up. Pain made sure no one that loved Hanzo was still alive.
Or that's what I'd hope.
And yeah, Mist dude needs to save his Zombie bretheren. And kill Kankuro while we're at it.
I'd like to bring something to attention that might just be another plot-hole. If Sasori had the finess to control 100 puppets at once, how come he couldn't just take over Kankuro's puppets. I mean to our knowledge, puppet masters still need chakra strings to control the puppets and on top of that, Sasori should know the mechanics of each of the puppets Kankuro used like the back of his hand....so what's the deal?
I hope the zombie kages(or Chiyo and the Mist guy) can make up for this.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
.....The only instance of that would be Sai's brother dying of....yeah. Sasori lost his edge due to having no weapons to work with. Deidara's attacks are apparently common knowledge now, so it is the information that kinda screwed him over.If Sasori had puppets or if Deidara's weakness wasn't known, they'd have one. Easily.
Sasori may have lost his weapons, but he also lost his motivation. He fought because he was puppeted to, nothing more, and didn't seem as 'sharp' in his moves IMO (available weapons aside). Similar to the 1st and 2nd Hokage. Acting in a technically proficient manner, but not putting as much cleverness to the task as they did while alive.
I'd argue Shin fought among the hardest of any zombie we've seen so far (though the strings likely played a role there), him and Deidara.
wakkawakkawakka
I'd like to bring something to attention that might just be another plot-hole. If Sasori had the finess to control 100 puppets at once, how come he couldn't just take over Kankuro's puppets. I mean to our knowledge, puppet masters still need chakra strings to control the puppets and on top of that, Sasori should know the mechanics of each of the puppets Kankuro used like the back of his hand....so what's the deal?
More strings =/= more power behind the strings. The strings still had to be attached, and although Chiyo got a string on Sasori's tail last fight, that was the only time of manipulating someone else's puppet the entire time and Sasori commented on the cleverness of attaching that string, and it was merely a tail and merely one string used to freeze it for a moment and not really control it until it got detached (thus giving her the only strings on it). They didn't gank each other's puppets at any other point in the match, and it's not like Sasori would get better at ganking puppets in the meantime.
Also, when he had 100 puppets, they weren't individually controlled as well as Chiyo's 10 (or his own when controlling just one), so there's clearly concentration splitting. Kankuro had almost all of his strings on just one.
So, ganking puppets isn't that easy, attaching the strings in combat is very tricky, and when two people have strings on a puppet then it looks like either can stop it's movements, which is an edge for the side with more backup.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I'd like to bring something to attention that might just be another plot-hole. If Sasori had the finess to control 100 puppets at once, how come he couldn't just take over Kankuro's puppets. I mean to our knowledge, puppet masters still need chakra strings to control the puppets and on top of that, Sasori should know the mechanics of each of the puppets Kankuro used like the back of his hand....so what's the deal?I hope the zombie kages(or Chiyo and the Mist guy) can make up for this.
He doesn't have a puppet body anymore, so I don't think he could control that many things at once.
Which....why bring Sasori back to life? No puppets. No puppet body. No poison. Nothing. Haku is more deadly than Sasori at the moment.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
He doesn't have a puppet body anymore, so I don't think he could control that many things at once.Which....why bring Sasori back to life? No puppets. No puppet body. No poison. Nothing. Haku is more deadly than Sasori at the moment.
He still was able to take control over the ninja they captured (while ganking someone with strings in mid-combat may be out, after combat seems easy), and him controlling Shin is likely more dangerous than Shin on his own.
Yea, he may not have his old arsenal, but he does have his skills and it's only because of being outnumbered by strong ninja that he lost. If Omoi hadn't been there to free the Hyuga and Ranka, then Sasori'd have two more 'puppets.' Such tactic had already wounded the team's sensor too.
The nice thing about Sasori is he can gain more 'puppets.'
Hm, and defeat Kankuro, and he'd likely have his old body back as one ^^
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I figured as much. It's actually not bad that they knew his weakness, just how quick their defeat was.From who? Only one I could think of that would get an emotional tug out of him is Chiyo.
Again, Hanzo is going to **** shit up. Pain made sure no one that loved Hanzo was still alive.
Or that's what I'd hope.
And yeah, Mist dude needs to save his Zombie bretheren. And kill Kankuro while we're at it.
Without the weakness bit, I doubt they'd beat Deidara anyway.
Damn, I wished Deidara got to see Sasuke alive. Would have been hilarious.
Maybe Kankuro using that 'Sasori is a puppet now' speech would get a tug out of him?
Does Hanzo even know that Nagato was the one who killed him and his family? The Paths were likely the ones that took him out.
Outside of Nagato straight up confessing to his face, or Hanzo drawing the conclusion upon realizing that the Rinnegan also appears in Nagato, he might not know.
He'll just fall on Kankuro. awesome
The puppet that captured Shin got destroyed, but it must have been a C2 level explosion IMO. Pretty good feat.
I wanna comment on how strong/tough ninja are shown here- Kankuro's not a strength type nor Sasori a front line fighter, but Kankuro yanked him down hard enough to break the ground and leave a small crater, and I don't think his zombie immortality even had anything to do with him not being taken out by it.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Without the weakness bit, I doubt they'd beat Deidara anyway.
Damn, I wished Deidara got to see Sasuke alive. Would have been hilarious.Maybe Kankuro using that 'Sasori is a puppet now' speech would get a tug out of him?
Does Hanzo even know that Nagato was the one who killed him and his family? The Paths were likely the ones that took him out.
Outside of Nagato straight up confessing to his face, or Hanzo drawing the conclusion upon realizing that the Rinnegan also appears in Nagato, he might not know.He'll just fall on Kankuro. awesome
The puppet that captured Shin got destroyed, but it must have been a C2 level explosion IMO. Pretty good feat.
1. Doesn't Dei already know that Sasuke is alive?
2. It was implied that Hanzo got his *ss killed by Nagato right after he had Yahiko was killed?
Originally posted by dadudemon
1. Doesn't Dei already know that Sasuke is alive?2. It was implied that Hanzo got his *ss killed by Nagato right after he had Yahiko was killed?
1. Nope. He stated to Onoki that he had killed Sasuke. Onoki, or anyone else for that matter, did not correct him. Q99 (I believe) even brought that up.
2. I believe he used a Shunshin to escape.
Besides, before Yahiko was killed, Akatsuki wasn't a terrorist organization. Hanzo contacted Akatsuki under the pretense of needing them to negotiate for peace between the Three Great Countries. Hence, I highly doubt there was a civil war going on between Akatsuki & Hanzo.
It's implied that the civil war began quite a while after Nagato had already established himself as Pain, i.e. Pain's faction vs. Hanzo's faction. Therefore, I don't think Hanzo was killed when Nagato snapped.
EDIT: Prolly doesn't matter anyway. Hanzo could already have known that Nagato was truly Pain. I believe he saw the Rinnegan in Nagato during their battle.