Originally posted by Nephthys
You guys, I made a thread, with a poll. Go and cast your votes and make your arguments*.*You can copy paste them if you're lazy. 😉
Sorry about that. And, yes, glad you specified with the asterisk: I'M LAZY!
Q99, I'll concede that Temari wins against Shino during the Chuunin exams IF you say that we cannot know if the Edo Tensei talismans get absorbed for sure.
Deal? awesome
Originally posted by dadudemon
It's quite simple:If don't want me to keep calling you out when you lie: stop lying!
I'm not. I'm pointing out that how what you say being true *requires* certain things, and these things aren't the case.
The fact that you don't use the word "speed" doesn't mean that your arguments don't hinge on it.
Learn what 'lying' means, and pay more attention to arguments.
*Moves the rest to the Temari/Shino thread*
Originally posted by dadudemon
Q99, I'll concede that Temari wins against Shino during the Chuunin exams IF you say that we cannot know if the Edo Tensei talismans get absorbed for sure.Deal? awesome
Believe it or not, you can still be wrong for both of those 🙂
Though I will say the talismans getting absorbed is merely 'probable'. Clearly the destruction of the part of the clay bodies where the talismans would be doesn't affect things, but that just means there's *some* mechanism that allows continued control, not that it's necessarily a specific one.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
He could transform into Sasuke later on without much problem. I don't think the Clone jutsu would have helped much there.
Naruto failed with both the Hokage and Iruka. I think learning the clone jutsu did help his control a little.
I think the only ninja ability he had pre-clones was the 'hiding with a sheet' one.
Originally posted by Q99
Naruto failed with both the Hokage and Iruka. I think learning the clone jutsu did help his control a little.I think the only ninja ability he had pre-clones was the 'hiding with a sheet' one.
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He was younger when he tried to transform into Hokage and I don't recall him transforming into Iruka.
Well who do you think he is more like in terms of basic skill and helpfulness? Sakura, who had the basics down to a tee and her chakra control was unrivaled, though admittedly she was weak in combat. Or Naruto, who was only able to do like one technique that was humorously helpful against older ninjas while he was....fair in combat. He did manage to knee Mizuki a fair distance with a nicely timed surprise attack.
Also, his taijutsu at the academy was apparently below average.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
lol Naruto needs the Kyuubi chakra to do so. Whenever he has not called on the Kyuubi chakra to not save his life from something large, he tends to be okay with just hitting stuff. I could see him trying and failing.Eh, Naruto would only call on the Kyuubi's chakra when he needed it. Doesn't do it that often. When he does and if he does, he would likely beat Shino. But a lot can be done in the meantime.
He would if he released Kyuubi chakra, which he'd need to in order to actually be a threat to a far more technically stronger taijutsu user like Sasuke. That and Fire power along with shuriken techniques give him even more of an edge. And why not? 😮
Kushina>Naruto. >_>
Nah, we can only say for sure that he only needed the Kyuubi chakra the first time he summoned Gamabunta. When he finally summons Bunta against Gaara, I don't remember him asking the Kyuubi for its chakra. I think he just accesses it at will.
Yeah, but if he has a thousand clones out, even a far more technically stronger taijutsu user like Sasuke cannot stop the beatdown that Naruto will give him.
Because keeping up that kind of speed takes a fair amount of stamina out of him. If he's facing Temari in the semis, he's going to need his speed.
Nah, Naruto's got a bit of Minato in him as well as a bit of Kushina, so that automatically makes him > Kushina.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Apparantly, Kakashi thinks the Hyuuga are the greatest bloodline:
a) The Uchiha and the Senju are no longer around.
b) The Uchiha & the Senju created the Leaf. The only way the Hyuuga would be present at the Founding was if they were one of the clans conquered by the Uchiha at the time.
c) Alternatively, the whole thing has been ret-conned with the info from Madara.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Well who do you think he is more like in terms of basic skill and helpfulness? Sakura, who had the basics down to a tee and her chakra control was unrivaled, though admittedly she was weak in combat. Or Naruto, who was only able to do like one technique that was humorously helpful against older ninjas while he was....fair in combat. He did manage to knee Mizuki a fair distance with a nicely timed surprise attack.Also, his taijutsu at the academy was apparently below average.
Yea, but Gai said he "practice his below-average taijutsu like crazy," and that's how it's implied he graduated. So by the time he finished, his taijutsu seemed to be pretty nice.
Academy Lee was probably an E- ^^
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Nah, we can only say for sure that he only needed the Kyuubi chakra the first time he summoned Gamabunta. When he finally summons Bunta against Gaara, I don't remember him asking the Kyuubi for its chakra. I think he just accesses it at will.Yeah, but if he has a thousand clones out, even a far more technically stronger taijutsu user like Sasuke cannot stop the beatdown that Naruto will give him.
Because keeping up that kind of speed takes a fair amount of stamina out of him. If he's facing Temari in the semis, he's going to need his speed.Nah, Naruto's got a bit of Minato in him as well as a bit of Kushina, so that automatically makes him > Kushina.
Not counting the first time, Naruto has tried to summon him 3 times in Part 1. 2 times he failed, one time he succeeded. Clearly an unreliable technique. 😛
A thousand clones takes a lot of chakra. What if he did it against Shino? And even using it on Sasuke, who can use the fire techniques to take them out en masse. And he could always intercept him before he can make that many clones, which would help. And eh, I don't think the Temari battle would last to long to strain him that much.
You......are wrong. Naruto may have a bit of Minato and a bit of Kushina but he is still completely Naruto, who is FAIL. So no, Kushina>Naruto. >_>
Originally posted by Q99
Yea, but Gai said he "practice his below-average taijutsu like crazy," and that's how it's implied he graduated. So by the time he finished, his taijutsu seemed to be pretty nice.Academy Lee was probably an E- ^^
Well apparently he still wasn't much of a genius with it and he still failed on missions.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Not counting the first time, Naruto has tried to summon him 3 times in Part 1. 2 times he failed, one time he succeeded. Clearly an unreliable technique. 😛A thousand clones takes a lot of chakra. What if he did it against Shino? And even using it on Sasuke, who can use the fire techniques to take them out en masse. And he could always intercept him before he can make that many clones, which would help. And eh, I don't think the Temari battle would last to long to strain him that much.
You......are wrong. Naruto may have a bit of Minato and a bit of Kushina but he is still completely Naruto, who is FAIL. So no, Kushina>Naruto. >_>
Well apparently he still wasn't much of a genius with it and he still failed on missions.
Yeah, he wouldn't summon him against Shino, but against Sasuke, he's going to be determined to win, and determination is what helped him summon Bunta against Gaara.
True, if he used it against Shino, he'd be pretty spent, but again, I think he'd only reserve it for an opponent he really wants to beat. Sasuke would need a bunch of fire techs to take out a thousand clones. While he could handle 50 or so clones with Taijutsu, I don't see him stopping a simultaneous charge from hundreds of clones
Meh, who knows. If Sasuke goes for the blitz from the get-go, I'd agree with you. Otherwise, it could take quite some time for him, especially since her range is better than his, and she'd try to keep him at a distance. One fire tech would make her realize her disadvantage though.
Nah, we both know that Naruto is mostly Kushina, with a bit of Minato thrown in. Ergo, if you think Naruto is FAIL, Kushina must be PHAIL. 😛
Srsly though, I think current Naruto is fairly cool. Far from the goofy douche we had in Part 1 and most of of Part 2.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Srsly though, I think current Naruto is fairly cool. Far from the goofy douche we had in Part 1 and most of of Part 2.
And yet he states he would have lost to a partially blind Sasuke despite having both kyuubi and sage powers to use. On top of that, he didn't even beat the kyuubi by himself in his own inner battle.
Yeah....Naruto is still kind of Fail in my eyes.
Speaking of fail, why is Hanzo such a ****ing dissapointment this week?
darui is pretty decent mane
Originally posted by Q99
Believe it or not, you can still be wrong for both of those 🙂Though I will say the talismans getting absorbed is merely 'probable'. Clearly the destruction of the part of the clay bodies where the talismans would be doesn't affect things, but that just means there's *some* mechanism that allows continued control, not that it's necessarily a specific one.
That's all I wanted. I agree that there is a possibility that they are absorbed...it's just not my first choice on the list.
So, you give, I give...we meet in the middle: Shino loses due to not having enough bug-speed, bug numbers, and attack vectors against Temari's speed and techs.
Speaking of fail, why is Hanzo such a ****ing dissapointment this week?
Because he's just a filler villian. Kishi doesn't have the time to give him a massive battle to the death. I mean, I know he beat Oro, Tsunade and Jaraiya all at the same time with ease, so we expect him to be at least competant, but obviously that was just a fluke.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Because he's just a filler villian. Kishi doesn't have the time to give him a massive battle to the death. I mean, I know he beat Oro, Tsunade and Jaraiya all at the same time with ease, so we expect him to be at least competant, but obviously that was just a fluke.
I don't think that was a fluke- he's beaten Mifune in the past, he just took out the ambush squad, he's apparently fought Chiyo.
The thing to remember is he fought a *young* Sannin set. Most likely they were all just in the A / A+ range then. He's not a person who can beat three S-classes on his own, he's just a powerful S-class.
Here, he fought a melee-focused S-class in the guy's specialty and only lost due to his blade breaking, and this was without using ninjutsu. That's still really impressive, almost matching Mifune outside his speciality.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Yeah, he wouldn't summon him against Shino, but against Sasuke, he's going to be determined to win, and determination is what helped him summon Bunta against Gaara.True, if he used it against Shino, he'd be pretty spent, but again, I think he'd only reserve it for an opponent he really wants to beat. Sasuke would need a bunch of fire techs to take out a thousand clones. While he could handle 50 or so clones with Taijutsu, I don't see him stopping a simultaneous charge from hundreds of clones
Meh, who knows. If Sasuke goes for the blitz from the get-go, I'd agree with you. Otherwise, it could take quite some time for him, especially since her range is better than his, and she'd try to keep him at a distance. One fire tech would make her realize her disadvantage though.Nah, we both know that Naruto is mostly Kushina, with a bit of Minato thrown in. Ergo, if you think Naruto is FAIL, Kushina must be PHAIL. 😛
Srsly though, I think current Naruto is fairly cool. Far from the goofy douche we had in Part 1 and most of of Part 2.
Then what can he do against Shino, who can suck Naruto clean of his chakra? Already know your answer....Bwahahahahahaha. That and he was determined to beat Sasuke later on but he didn't use Gamabunta. 313
Sasuke would see Naruto's chakra rising and realize, "Oh crap, he's about to do something big." And then he would intervene. Not to mention Sasuke can always tie Naruto up. And eh, I don't see Temari being to big a threat to Sasuke.
Kushina is attractive though, which makes her >Naruto. >_>
Eh, he's okay.
Originally posted by Q99
Still, it got good enough to get him a pass. I'm thinking D-.
Okay, if you insist. 😛
That said, Chiyo is awesome. She seriously is one of my top favorite characters.