Originally posted by Q99
She jumps, hits him with wind and wins. Or she blows them away, hits him with win, and wins.Your strategy seems ineffectual. A dozen bugs at a time is pretty easy to avoid.
Yes. The bugs didn't reach because he severed them, but some others got him when they snuck up due to the queen on his headband.
You're saying she can't avoid. She's better at avoiding than Kankuro. Analogy.
Nope. The bugs only got Kankuro or his puppet when they either leapt into Shino, or by surprise. Every time they were seen coming was avoided.
The wide open area is better for Temari. That's not an argument for Shino.
If it seems like I am, it means I'm trying to point out errors in them.
Shino's supposed to send out so many bugs that she can't avoid them (which contradicts the 'send a dozen' thing, a dozen doesn't require much effort to defend against), and wear her down without being blasted?
She's .5 faster than the guy who could avoid them when they were used in large number.
You said he would defend against her winds by dodging them. I gave an example of a better dodger failing to do that.
Apples to apples.
So did Temari. She knows the field's traps now.
Shino doesn't have that many bugs, and that doesn't cover his defense.
He sends them out in every direction, she blasts one wide area clean and from there blasts Shino. Or them jumps to an area of the battlefield further from the bugs.
You're acting like Shino has unlimited bugs and can blanket the area, instead of his real much smaller supply. She only needs to deal with bugs in one path.
Up? His bugs can't fly in part 1. His bugs need to crawl around to surround someone, meaning they take time too, she can act well before she's surrounded. The bugs can travel further but they're also a much slower attack.
You are grossly overestimating his capabilities, he never does something like that in part one.
Seriously, you're pitting part 2 chunin-for-years Shino against part 1 Temari.
You're giving Shino hordes of bugs that are magically surrounding her without her doing something about it (like attacking him or them while they're moving into position) and flight, which they don't have yet.
Shino against Tobi could fly his swarms around, which is a big difference.
It's not just that, but numbers and bug speed that you're overestimating. Shino doesn't have unlimited bugs, nor can they rapidly surround someone at a distance.
I'm not. Several occasions you've said that Sasuke and Temari's jutsu won't be good for bug clearing because they'll be attacked from too many sides.
You are coming across as implying Shino'd have them easily surrounded when he attacks.
See? "Tons all over her." He's somehow getting tons all over her because they're too many to defend against?
Aside from that contradicting the 'dozen at a time', she blows away all the ones in one direction and there's more elsewhere? That'd require being surrounded. Your tactics and results for Shino all seem to assume the opponent is surrounded.
Ooooh, maybe this is where you're thinking the bugs have magical capabilities that they don't.
Those bugs were in Shino's original position. Remember how Zaku ran forward? He placed those, maybe a few feat from where he was standing, then got blasted back.
The bugs didn't rush and take him out, both Zaku and Shino recognized he'd have time to blast them.
Note the actual flow of the battle- he placed bugs, then got his opponent to get between them and him, or rather, Zaku blasted him back into a new position where between himself and the bugs Zaku'd be surrounded. He didn't just "send them out" and surround Zaku like you've been saying Shino'll do to Sasuke and Temari, he laid a clever trap.
Bugs were coming in one direction only, it's just he was in the other one, and he placed that bug swarm, they didn't travel at high speed and swoop around Zaku or anything.
You haven't been saying Shino'll lay a clever trap, you've been saying 'He'll send out bugs, they'll be from too many vectors to blast, and Shino wins,' more or less. Which is not how Shino's bugs work. Shino can get some wins by clever traps, but you have specifically said that Shino'll get 10/10 against Temari because he'll send out bug swarms that'll attack from all vectors (and, somehow, doing it with a mere dozen bugs which'll somehow be enough to take out Temari or Sasuke? I still don't get that part) and overwhelm her defenses, which he never did in part one.
How Shino won? The bugs he had placed in Zaku by physical contact, because Zaku would've otherwise been able to defend himself with his air blasts, even being caught in the middle of Shino and the bugs.
Because while they're sneaking she is just going to blast him in the face and win? This is not the "Shino's turn, then enemy's turn," show. They act at the same time and the bugs aren't that fast.
They crawl, they don't teleport.
What makes you think she can't do either? The bugs are black and pretty obvious in groups sufficient enough to take someone out, and were regularly seen when they were in LOS.
And her wind could blast apart swarms easily. Every bug caught in the blast will be destroyed, injured, or so on.
You're very much underrating the capability to respond here.
He was an idiot, to be sure.
But he lost because he was an idiot, not because Shino's basic attack is "surround someone from all sides with bugs including above, which they can't do anything about."
He lost because he walked into a trap that he practically helped Shino make.
Nope. He has two small bunches around his hands that stayed around his hands. Bugs never fly after Kankuro, they only travel on trees or chakra strings or jump around in the form of a clone.
Flight, number, experience are all different. Shino's leveled up.
If he had his part II attack he could've swarm and won easily even against Kankuro, no need to take Zaku's attack like he did either.
Yea, but they can be used a few times to stop bug swarms and take out Shino. They might also outlast the bugs, which are finite in number.
Shino's personal chakra capacity really doesn't matter much, his endurance is measured in number of beetles.
Sasu or Temari can use their jutsu to take out Shino before the bugs get to them some of the time and can also use their jutsu to blast swarms and thus defend against his stronger attacks.
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