Originally posted by dadudemon
http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/70902249/12So it looks like the talisman is still "around" and not absorbed. If word gets out that they are controlled by the talisman in their neck/base of the head, then the "good guys" could turn the army against Kabuto/Madara.
Just because it's absorbed/transmuted/whatever doesn't mean it's not around.
Consider the key-frog to Naruto's seal. It's absorbed- Jiraiya and Naruto didn't walk around with a large physical frog in them- but it's still there.
Or even Naruto's seal. It's only there when it's active, and physical damage to it doesn't matter to whether or not it works.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
He's 15.Cool, Naruto is more important to the plot. Kushina is still better.
Spoiler:
She has a seal on the ground that will make he stand still. Bwahahaha.Sakura does not even the odds when Chiyo is emo.
Aww thank you.
And weird, even for a Naruto character. Even Hinata's more sexually active than he is.
Nah. We've been down this road before. Naruto = Kushina x Minato, so he's better.
Spoiler:vin
Good thing Tsunade can jump better than anyone else in Naruto
When Sakura's raw damage output is greater than any puppet's, to the point that she can one-shot puppets if she gets close, she kind of does. If it weren't for Sakura's antidote...
Yeah, you were the one trying to hug me. 😛
Originally posted by Q99
Just because it's absorbed doesn't mean it's not around.Consider the key-frog to Naruto's seal. It's absorbed- Jiraiya and Naruto didn't walk around with a large physical frog in them- but it's still there.
Or even Naruto's seal. It's only there when it's active, and physical damage to it doesn't matter to whether or not it works.
I do not think those comparisons work in any logical manner to support your points.
The frog is a summon. The seal is always there on Naruto's belly. Additionally, as we discussed prior, a seal is not the same thing as a talisman.
However, I DO get your point and I still think there's room for doubt. There's just much less of it, now, because Kabuto referenced not being able to control someone through the talisman. It was fairly definitive, before, when Oro referenced the talisman at the base of the skull AFTER he had placed it in the First and Second.
Now, though, it's even more confirmed. I'm about 95% sure, now, that it's physically there. We just need the information on the tech to be leaked to the good guys. It's that 5% chance that may have it acting in a different manner. If the way Kabuto controls them is leaked to the good guys but no "talisman" removal plan is devised, I'll concede the point. The way the tech works HAS to be leaked to the good guys, eventually. Why else would Madara be asking about how the tech works if it wasn't going to be used as a plot device to disable all of them/defeat Kabuto? Surely that will spill over to the good guys?
Originally posted by dadudemon
If the way Kabuto controls them is leaked to the good guys but no "talisman" removal plan is devised, I'll concede the point. The way the tech works HAS to be leaked to the good guys, eventually. Why else would Madara be asking about how the tech works if it wasn't going to be used as a plot device to disable all of them/defeat Kabuto? Surely that will spill over to the good guys?
I'll point out when Kabuto was listing weaknesses and ways to cancel the jutsu, 'talisman removal' was not on his list.
Originally posted by Q99
I'll point out when Kabuto was listing weaknesses and ways to cancel the jutsu, 'talisman removal' was not on his list.
He didn't list any weaknesses (Madara never asked how to disable it) because he was never listing weaknesses. Madara asked for drawbacks and how it works. Kabuto did say, however, that it is the greatest most powerful jutsu with not negative side-effects to the user.
And 3 random Anbu know about the Talismans, so the SA obviously would know.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Madara asked how to stop it.And 3 random Anbu know about the Talismans, so the SA obviously would know.
Q99 and I already discussed this in detail: there is not indication that the Anbu know that they are controlled by the Talismans. We don't know if they could even hear Oro and Sarutobi. They could see it, of course, but were blocked out due to the barrier. Addtitionally, no one outside of Oro and Kabuto have acknowledged the Talismans. Only Sarutobi and Madara actually saw it placed.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngelRead what you just listed. Does any of that sound like S-Rank status to you? 😐
Breathable poison, nice summon with poison, and decent taijutsu for Hanzo.Mifune is mostly going from implied power. He is the leader of the samurai people and is the leader of one of the divisions after all.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Can someone explain to me what abilities Mifune and Hanzo displayed that would make them S? 😐
Hanzo just poison-cloud took out an entire unit of ninja, for one thing. His taijutsu is also very high level and powerful as well as poison (much like Sasori, he's a 'one scratch kill' ninja), and his very breath has a death cloud effect for use against lesser ninja. He also has a jutsu that can summon explosive tags directly onto someone, which is really nasty.
Mifune has even better taijutsu, and a style designed to make it not possible for ninja to complete their ninjutsu near him. Hm, I can see knocking down.
Poison does indeed sound quite S rank to me. I was under the impression that's what made Sasori so deadly. 😮
Mifune is again implied power.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Q99 and I already discussed this in detail: there is not indication that the Anbu know that they are controlled by the Talismans. We don't know if they could even hear Oro and Sarutobi. They could see it, of course, but were blocked out due to the barrier. Addtitionally, no one outside of Oro and Kabuto have acknowledged the Talismans. Only Sarutobi and Madara actually saw it placed.
One Anbu was explaining the technique in great detail. They next page reveals information on the tags. Orochimaru randomly decided to say that?
Oh and this.
Seems to be the Anbu talking about the technique to me.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Sorry. They do know.One Anbu was explaining the technique in great detail. They next page reveals information on the tags. Orochimaru randomly decided to say that?
Oh and this.
Seems to be the Anbu talking about the technique to me.
You're just covering the same ground that has already been covered. We went over that, already.
"Addtitionally, no one outside of Oro and Kabuto have acknowledged the Talismans. Only Sarutobi and Madara actually saw it placed."
Knowing about the jutsu and actually being able to perform it are 2 completely different things.
Again, this is a broken record conversation. I won't discuss it with you, further: you're wasting my time.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
I'm not seeing it, personally. The poison cloud can be nullified by any long range ninja, especially a wind user, since floating gas is at the mercy of any breeze, and Mifune basically just did a speed blitz.
He also has burrowing ability with his salamander as well so he can strike from below ground, and there is the high-level poison melee. Keep in mind he broke young Mifune's chakra-flow sword, we've never seen a chakra-flow protected weapon broken before.
And while a small poison cloud can be blown away, his was pretty darn huge, a fairly long range attack in itself.
Granted on Mifune. Just speed and cutting power is what he has. Lacking anti-group abilities I'm currently planning to knock him down.
Originally posted by dadudemon
You're just covering the same ground that has already been covered. We went over that, already.
Not enough apparently.
Originally posted by dadudemon
"Addtitionally, no one outside of Oro and Kabuto have acknowledged the Talismans. Only Sarutobi and Madara actually saw it placed."
Except those Anbu who did it right then and there.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Knowing about the jutsu and actually being able to perform it are 2 completely different things.
Agreed. But since we aren't expecting the SA to conjure up someone to use the technique, it's irrelevant. I thought we were talking about the concept of removing the tags and thus the control, something no one has suggested is possible?
Originally posted by dadudemon
Again, this is a broken record conversation. I won't discuss it with you, further: you're wasting my time.
I want to be proven wrong think you very much. If you can prove the Anbu do not know about the tags, I'll gladly accept it.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Not enough apparently.Except those Anbu who did it right then and there.
Agreed. But since we aren't expecting the SA to conjure up someone to use the technique, it's irrelevant. I thought we were talking about the concept of removing the tags and thus the control, something no one has suggested is possible?
I want to be proven wrong think you very much. If you can prove the Anbu do not know about the tags, I'll gladly accept it.
Bla bla bla. It's already been covered. If you want to have this discussion in your head, feel free to do so: just read over Q99's and my conversation.
Additionally, this takes a crap on anything you want to contradict me on:
"because Kabuto referenced not being able to control someone through the talisman. It was fairly definitive, before, when Oro referenced the talisman at the base of the skull AFTER he had placed it in the First and Second."
It's either PIS or Kishi will explain it to us later. It is not anything else.