Sarutobi's shadow clones took a beating and kept coming. I think it has to do with how good you're chakra control is also though there may be other factors. Naruto may be able to spam a bunch but his chakra control is one of the lowest while Sarutobi had to have at least a high level of chakra control to be considered one of the strongest people ever in Konoha.
in the hokage fight he did.
kakashi is called the copy ninja because he uses his sharingan to copy almost every new technique he encounters. he (aside from the kages and sanin) most likely knows the most jutsu in konoha and maybe the whole country. and since the uchihas kept themselves mostly in konoha,
kakashi was the first shringan possessor enemy ninjas faced and he could instantaneously imitate the movements and handsignes of his opponents, making him known as the "copy ninja". + he only has one origional attack, the raikiri(chidori)
Originally posted by psycho gundam
naruto has like infinite chakra(kyuubi enhanced), but i think he gauges his chakra at four times without kyuubi's chakra. naruto is one of the most potentially powerful ninja in series, as kakashi stated in the manga
"only you can surpass the fourth".
I don't entirely agree. It says clearly in the scan that Naruto as 2 times the Chakra as Kakashi and if Yamato doesn't suppress the Kyuubi, 100 times more than he currently has. In other words, Naruto's Chakra, according to the manga, is twice that of Kakshi's, yet Kakashi can only handle one shadow clone at a time while Naruto can create a thousand under his own Chakra. We see that later in the manga, when he starts to involuntarily tap into the Kyuubi's chakra, Yamato suppresses it for Naruto.
Originally posted by Kento
@dadudemon - It's Kyuubi that gives him the ability to spam shadow clones. Wasn't Kakashi only talking about Naruto's own chakra being twice his own? Naruto usually has his chakra always meshed with Kyuubi.
See my above post. Is there a scan where it mentions the Kyuubi's chakra being meshed with Naruto's chakra at al times? Because I just provided a scan that disagrees. I can also provide a scan from way back when, when Jiraiya tells Naruto that he has to use up all of his Chakra to tap into the Kyuubi's.
Originally posted by dadudemon
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See my above post. Is there a scan where it mentions the Kyuubi's chakra being meshed with Naruto's chakra at al times? Because I just provided a scan that disagrees. I can also provide a scan from way back when, when Jiraiya tells Naruto that he has to use up all of his Chakra to tap into the Kyuubi's.
Jiraiya says some slips out to combine with the kid's chakra.
Originally posted by psycho gundamI think saying Kages and Sanin is a bit to much. The only two I think that know a whole lot of different jutsu would be Sarutobi who was said to know every jutsu in Konoha and Orochimaru. The first two Hokage, and the other two Sanin stick to a few moves and aren't really said to know much else. The only other Kage we really know is Gaara and he's not much use if you don't want to crush something. The 4th nobody really knows about but he did create some powerful jutsu but we never see him use anything but them.
in the hokage fight he did.kakashi is called the copy ninja because he uses his sharingan to copy almost every new technique he encounters. he (aside from the kages and sanin) most likely knows the most jutsu in konoha and maybe the whole country. and since the uchihas kept themselves mostly in konoha,
kakashi was the first shringan possessor enemy ninjas faced and he could instantaneously imitate the movements and handsignes of his opponents, making him known as the "copy ninja". + he only has one origional attack, the raikiri(chidori)
Originally posted by psycho gundamMaybe it's something Kishimoto overlooked. Because if it wasn't the 4th then who could it be?
maybe somebody already addressed it but im too lazy right now to find/look it up but does anyone know what the third coffin was going to summon in the hokage fight? wasn't the fourth barred from resurrection due to the soul transfer technique?
there is also the point to remember that most ninjas seen so far can only really handle two elements plus any specialised ninjustu or kekai genkai. sarutoni only used fire and earth, uro has only really used earth element, tsunade has used electricity, jiraya i think earth, kakashi water and electricity, sasuke fire and electricity, itachi fire, kisame water, diedara earth, gaara earth, haku wind and water, naruto wind, zabuza water, yamato/first earth and water, second water etc etc.
. the only other ones whove used more i think is that partner of the immortal dude with the masks who cud use and combine elements from every1 he took a heart from. and that is a special ability.
so howcome sarutobi knew every technique in konoha when he canonly really use earth and fire? plus, urochimaru is trying to master all just, yet how can that be when he can probably also only use two elements. same with the shaaringan,. how does it copy a technique that the users elements dont match with{also these days, the technique copying aspect of the sharingan is COMPLETELY being written out by kishi, when infact its a VERY powerful ability if u think about it}.
Originally posted by KentoJiraiya says some slips out to combine with the kid's chakra.
Thanks for posting. I do remember that and I thought of that two or three posts ago before I posted. I think that that part was supposed to explain WHY the nine tails Chakra can come out in the first place when Naruto gets into those dire straights. As we see later on in the manga, Naruto uses the Nine Tails Chakra even when he is not out. With that scan, a definitive conclusion cannot be drawn as to whether or not Naruto can spam so many shadow clones because his Chakra is meshing with the Kyuubi's or if he is using his own most of the time...even when he is making boatloads of Shadow Clones.
However, we do know that when the Kyuubi's chakra is suppressed, Naruto has twice the Chakra as Kakashi...and 100 times that amount with unsuppressed chakra. We see later during Naruto's training that Yamato does indeed suppress the Nine Tails Chakra when it starts to surface.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
{also these days, the technique copying aspect of the sharingan is COMPLETELY being written out by kishi, when infact its a VERY powerful ability if u think about it}.
I noticed this as well. Kakashi's sharingan isn't even the best, Itachi's and Sasuke''s are both superior because they have two... so why don't they do it as well. They should be able to.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
there is also the point to remember that most ninjas seen so far can only really handle two elements plus any specialised ninjustu or kekai genkai. sarutoni only used fire and earth, uro has only really used earth element, tsunade has used electricity, jiraya i think earth, kakashi water and electricity, sasuke fire and electricity, itachi fire, kisame water, diedara earth, gaara earth, haku wind and water, naruto wind, zabuza water, yamato/first earth and water, second water etc etc.
. the only other ones whove used more i think is that partner of the immortal dude with the masks who cud use and combine elements from every1 he took a heart from. and that is a special ability.so howcome sarutobi knew every technique in konoha when he canonly really use earth and fire? plus, urochimaru is trying to master all just, yet how can that be when he can probably also only use two elements. same with the shaaringan,. how does it copy a technique that the users elements dont match with{also these days, the technique copying aspect of the sharingan is COMPLETELY being written out by kishi, when infact its a VERY powerful ability if u think about it}.
i think that ninjas can use all the elements, but the element that they have an affinity to would make more powerful jutsu, and they can only create unique/new jutsu with that/those elements
even tho Kakashi only has affinity to lightning and water, we saw him use all elements, one after the other, during the second bell training exercise in Naruto: Shippuden
Originally posted by dadudemonIt could also explain why Naruto seems so weak when he spams Shadow Clones if each clone has his chakra split up. I mean him spamming them hasn't led to winning anything except against the one teacher. The times he wins using Shadow Clones he doesn't always have that many out.
Thanks for posting. I do remember that and I thought of that two or three posts ago before I posted. I think that that part was supposed to explain WHY the nine tails Chakra can come out in the first place when Naruto gets into those dire straights. As we see later on in the manga, Naruto uses the Nine Tails Chakra even when he is not out. With that scan, a definitive conclusion cannot be drawn as to whether or not Naruto can spam so many shadow clones because his Chakra is meshing with the Kyuubi's or if he is using his own most of the time...even when he is making boatloads of Shadow Clones.However, we do know that when the Kyuubi's chakra is suppressed, Naruto has twice the Chakra as Kakashi...and 100 times that amount with unsuppressed chakra. We see later during Naruto's training that Yamato does indeed suppress the Nine Tails Chakra when it starts to surface.
I don't remember if that is ever answered. I'd assume the chakra would return to you as does the knowledge of everything that the clone did and that they only chakra used up is how ever much needed to make them.
And Naruto best thing with the clones against Gaara was when he used them wisely to get close with an exploding shuriken.