The Official Naruto series Thread

Stats:

SS-
Nagato (Pain)

S+
Itachi Uchiha
Killerbee
Kushina Uzumaki
Madara Uchiha (Sharingan only)
Minato Namikaze
Mito Uzumai
Muu
Onoki

S
A (Raikage)
Danzo (with implant jutsu)
Deidara
Gaara (Kage)
Hiruzen Sarutobi (Old)
Jiraiya
Kakashi Hatake (Mastered Kamui)
Kakuzu
Kisame Hoshigaki (with Samehada)
Konan*
Mei Terumi
Naruto Uzumaki (Sage Mode)
Orochimaru*
Sasori
Sasuke Uchiha (Orochimaru merge/mangekyo)
Tsunade

S-
Chiyo
Danzo (without implant jutsu)
Darui
Ginkaku
Hidan
Kabuto* (Orochimaru merge)
Kakashi Hatake (start of part 2)
Kimimaro Kaguya (healthy)
Kinkaku
Kisame Hoshigaki (without Samehada)
Kitsuchi
Mifune
Might Gai (part 2)
Sasuke Uchiha (start of part 2)

*These characters have jutsu that require specific preparation that can't be done mid combat but increase their ability significantly, such as Edo Tensei or readying unusual amounts of explosive tags.

A+
Asuma Sarutobi
Hiashi Hyuuga
Kabuto Yakushi
Kakashi Hatake (part 1)
Kimimaro Kaguya (sick)
Might Gai (part 1)
Yamato
Zabuza Momochi

A
Ao
Baki
C
Fū (ANBU)
Hizashi Hyuuga
Jūgo
Kankurō (with Sasori puppet)
Killer Bee (Young, Minato fight)
Kurenai Yuhi
Kurotsuchi
Naruto Uzumaki (post elemental training)
Neji Hyuuga (part 2)
Shikaku Nara
Suigetsu Hōzuki
Torune

A-
Chōjūrō
Chōji Akimichi (Asuma Fight)
Chōza Akimichi
Gaara (Sasuke Retrieval)
Inoichi Yamanaka
Kakko (Kakashi Gaiden)
Naruto Uzumaki (start of part 2)
Sai (post-emotions)
Shibi Aburame
Shizune
Temari (start of part 2)

B+
Anko Mitarashi
Ibiki Morino
Kakashi Hatake (Kakashi Gaiden)
Kankurō (as of Sasori fight)
Naruto Uzumaki (One Tail)
Rock Lee (part 2)
Sai (start)
Sakura Haruno (part 2)
Sasuke Uchiha (VotE)

B
Gaara (Chuunin Exam)
Haku
Ino Yamanaka (4th Shinobi War)
Kankurō (Sasuke Retrieval)
Omoi
Sakon/Ukon
Shino Aburame (part 2)
Shikamaru Nara (part 2)
Taiseki (Kakashi Gaiden)
Temari (Sasuke Retrieval)
Tsume Inuzuka

B-
Aoba Yamashiro
Chōji Akimichi (start of part 2)
Hayate Gekkō
Hinata Hyuuga (part 2)
Jirōbō
Kiba Inazuka (part 2)
Kidōmaru
Neji Hyuuga (Sasuke Retrieval)
Shin
Tayuya

C+
Ebisu
Ino Yamanaka (start of part 2)
Karin
Naruto Uzumaki (Post Rasengan Training)
Neji Hyuga (Chunin exam)
Temari (Chunin exam)
Rock Lee (Chunin exam)
Sasuke Uchiha (Chunin exam finals)
Shikamaru Nara (Sasuke Retrieval)

C
Dosu
Iruka
Izumo Kamizuki
Kankuro (Chunin exam)
Konohamaru Sarutobi (part 2)
Kotetsu Hagane
Obito Uchiha (Sharingan)
Rin
Sasuke Uchiha (Sharingan)
Shikamaru Nara (Chunin exam)
Shino Aburame (Chunin exam)

C-
Gōzu (Demon Brother)
Kiba Inazuka (Chunin exam)
Meizu (Demon Brother)
Mizuki
Naruto Uzumaki (Post clone jutsu)
Obito Uchiha (pre-Sharingan)
Sasuke Uchiha (pre-Sharingan)
Shigure

D+
Chōji Akimichi (Chunin exam)
Hinata Hyuga (part 1)
Ino Yamanaka (Chunin exam)
Kin
Oboro
Tenten (Chunin exam)
Zaku

D
Misumi Tsurugi
Sakura Haruno (Chunin exam)
Yoroi Akadō

D-
Rock Lee (Just graduated Genin)
Sakura Haruno (Start)

E+
Naruto Uzumaki (pre-clone jutsu)

E-
Konohamaru Sarutobi (start)
Rock Lee (Academy flashback)

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Added Mito and young Bee.

Any thoughts on the level of White Zetsus?

Do you have any place for the Zetsu Mooks?

Also, anyone think Naruto is stupid for leaving Bee by himself? Good thing there isn't an immortal ninja walking around looking for him.

Edit: You sniped my question! >_>

High C or low B. They don't have much that can help in a one on one fight. They do have the best transformation in the series so it may bump them up in the B's somewhere. My two cents.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't remember non-sensors commenting on sensing chakra, ever. I could be wrong as there's 500+ chapters to pull information from.

Probably true because Kishimoto HAS to do SOMETHING to keep Sasuke up with Naruto.

I'll look for an example. Various characters have commented on the feel of the kyuubi's chakra iirc.

Indeed. Naruto's physical stats right now are at the very least in the top 3, so it'll be interesting to see how Sasuke eqauls or trumps Naruto.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I can top that actually. My friend, who was far more observant in this chapter than I ever was, suggested that it was because of Mito being able to since evil intent that Madara delayed attacking the Leaf until Kushina had replaced her. In essence, she might be considered to be a threat to Madara.

So yeah, S+.

Could see that being possible. The only hole I see in that is that he never attacked right after Kushina received the Fox. So it's possible that the only time he could draw out the Fox was when the Host entered Child-birth, and since Mito likely stopped having kids while Hashirama was still alive (the real threat to Madara), there was never any chance to take the Fox.
Alternatively, he just wanted enough time to pass so that the World would accept that Madara was dead, thus helping his movements through the shadows much easier.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Indeed. Have not seen such a beat down since we saw Sasuke defeat Team Kakashi like total noobs.

Sasuke beating down hundreds of mook ninjas tops that, and pretty much any other beatdown by a single character in the manga.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Could see that being possible. The only hole I see in that is that he never attacked right after Kushina received the Fox. So it's possible that the only time he could draw out the Fox was when the Host entered Child-birth, and since Mito likely stopped having kids while Hashirama was still alive (the real threat to Madara), there was never any chance to take the Fox.
Alternatively, he just wanted enough time to pass so that the World would accept that Madara was dead, thus helping his movements through the shadows much easier.

He took time to observe the new host. If she showed the skill of Mito, he really couldn't just invade. When it was apparent that she was not as strong(an understandable conclusion I think based on what we know) he waited until the right moment to cause the most damage, during her child birth.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Sasuke beating down hundreds of mook ninjas tops that, and pretty much any other beatdown by a single character in the manga.

Unless on screen I don't care. 😛

Minato probably beat his 50 mooks faster than Sasuke beat those hundred. 😛

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Do you have any place for the Zetsu Mooks?

Also, anyone think Naruto is stupid for leaving Bee by himself? Good thing there isn't an immortal ninja walking around looking for him.

Edit: You sniped my question! >_>

High C or low B. They don't have much that can help in a one on one fight. They do have the best transformation in the series so it may bump them up in the B's somewhere. My two cents.

Hm, B seems a bit much, since they need physical contact to get the chakra for draining. That's doable in large groups, but a lot harder solo.

C+ seems good. Combat-wise they're weak, and until they get someone, straitforward as well except for the spore attack, so maybe C- or even D to start with, but the transformation bumps them up significantly.

D might be a tad...low. I don't think I could go that low for them. I do think they have more potential than Karin.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
He took time to observe the new host. If she showed the skill of Mito, he really couldn't just invade. When it was apparent that she was not as strong(an understandable conclusion I think based on what we know) he waited until the right moment to cause the most damage, during her child birth.

Since when would a brand new Jinchuurikii have the same level of skill that Mito had as a Jinchuurikii?
Even if she was guarded, infiltrating Konoha and/or kidnapping Kushina was little to no trouble for Kumo ninjas. Madara would have had an even easier time.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Unless on screen I don't care. 😛

Minato probably beat his 50 mooks faster than Sasuke beat those hundred. 😛

Doesn't make the feat non-existent. 😛

Naturally. Minato used a hax tech to take down less than 10% of Sasuke's tally, while Sasuke just used taijutsu...I think 😛.

@ ddm: http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v27/c238/5.html

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Since when would a brand new Jinchuurikii have the same level of skill that Mito had as a Jinchuurikii?
Even if she was guarded, infiltrating Konoha and/or kidnapping Kushina was little to no trouble for Kumo ninjas. Madara would have had an even easier time. [/url]

Bee seemed much better than the previous host. Mito could also have helped her prepare. And she did kinda.
And we saw what happened to those losers didn't we? 😛

Madara picked a much better time to attack. When their guard would be down and when he could get Naruto as a nice bargaining chip.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Doesn't make the feat non-existent. 😛

Naturally. Minato used a hax tech to take down less than 10% of Sasuke's tally, while Sasuke just used taijutsu...I think 😛.[/url]

Onscreen beating. Pain still has Sasuke beat so it doesn't matter. 😛

IDK. Chidori Nagashi and some nice genjutsu are plausible too.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
@ ddm: http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v27/c238/5.html

That's Kabuto...one of the best Medical nin, probably only second or third to Sakura or Tsunade.

Additionally, it does not comment on his chakra being particular to Oro..just comments on the strength.

This also lends credence to my idea that chakra oozes out like rieryoku. 😄

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
D might be a tad...low. I don't think I could go that low for them. I do think they have more potential than Karin.

I dunno, Karin is the *best* sensor there is in both range and precision (possible Naruto's emotion sensing excepted), plus her heal ability that can rapidly erase even mortal wounds in seconds.

Karin's got lower combat ability, but in usefulness I think they're similar.

Zetsu have healing abilities. Or chakra restoring to be technical. And the subterfuge is still the best in the series. If you were to put Zetsu on a team with, say, Shikamaru or Ino to immobilize the enemy, Zetsu could infiltrate a village with not much problem.

The Zetsu can transfer chakra, Karin can transfer chakra and heal that sword hole through your chest, a bit of a difference.

And yea, with a team his ability is of more use, but that's still a team with a specific strategy to make it work. Compare in battle utility to the Yamanaka mind-transfer which, with the help of a team, can be used to temporarily control an S-class.

I'm not saying White Zetsu's powers aren't pretty awesome, I just think it's not awesome enough to get to Special Jonin, considering the setup required.

I'd like to not that the Tsuchikage, Onoki, is more than capable of destroying the "immortal" Madara.

I'm not talking about in a versus match.

I'm saying that his molecular destruction technique should be more than capable of destroying Madara.

Oh, I doubt he's *totally* unkillable, just that this makes him even harder to beat beyond the phasing, that's why he can afford to lose limbs so often and gain them back. If he sat there unphased, I'm sure plenty of ninja could render him into a nice, dead paste.

Btw.. does this mean that Hashirama had the ability to replace limbs and such too?

And I also wonder what Madara did to make Black Zetsu, if White Zetsu is just wood cells and such.

Originally posted by Q99
And I also wonder what Madara did to make Black Zetsu, if White Zetsu is just wood cells and such.

Spoiler:
He probably used watermelon cells...maybe some fried chicken cells for good measure. Probably also a dash of krunk.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

One thing I like about Kishi's work is he has black characters that are powerful badasses. So, obviously, it's not going to be something racist. I just couldn't help myself.

I do have a few more questions to ask concerning Kushia's ability to use the fox. I mean Mito can apparently do the same thing Naruto can now but you don't really hear anything about Kushina's proficiency with the kyuubi chakra.

Also are they going to just skill over the Kage fights or what? IIRC Gaara had just found Muu and then nightfall came.....huh?

I wonder if Zetsu can do any combination powers when the black and white ones are together.

Originally posted by Q99
Oh, I doubt he's *totally* unkillable, just that this makes him even harder to beat beyond the phasing, that's why he can afford to lose limbs so often and gain them back. If he sat there unphased, I'm sure plenty of ninja could render him into a nice, dead paste.

Btw.. does this mean that Hashirama had the ability to replace limbs and such too?

And I also wonder what Madara did to make Black Zetsu, if White Zetsu is just wood cells and such.

He must have Senju cells in him. Wouldn't it be ironic if he had Uchiha cells? 😛

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I do have a few more questions to ask concerning Kushia's ability to use the fox. I mean Mito can apparently do the same thing Naruto can now but you don't really hear anything about Kushina's proficiency with the kyuubi chakra.

Yes, presumably Kushina had some reasonable level of mastery, she did after all have a very strong seal, and she had 'filled the hole in her heart' (After all, how else would Minato know about that?), but maybe she was still working up to that stage. She didn't have access to something like the falls and an assist from Killerbee or Yamato (well, I suppose Yamato'd be alive in her life, but very young and weaker), so she'd have to take it slower and work her way up tail by tail.

Also are they going to just skill over the Kage fights or what? IIRC Gaara had just found Muu and then nightfall came.....huh?

Remember the ninja alliance decided the strategy was to retreat from them for awhile, and then sandwich them with forces from Div 1, so presumably they haven't really engaged yet.

good to see the namesake actually being a badass in the series... it only took 500 chapters or so.