The Official Naruto series Thread

Great to see Naruto pull powers of of his ass again 😄. Seriously though what the hell? Naruto was able to do all of this in less that two days worth of training. This is worse the Bee overpowering A w/o his biju cloak or Sasuke getting a random bird summon.

@The AuraAngel: It's be more BS than laughable if he was actually holding back this much against A. Also how'd he get the contract with other toad summons....what that scroll Naruto signed universal for the Gama summons?

Wonder what Kushina could do with the Kyuubi BTW.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Well....shit.

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Naruto at this moment can use clones, use his chakra hands to use several rasengans at once, make a vacuum out of a big rasengan, affect the Zetsu clones to make them grow trees, and throw mini rasenshurikens. Oh and he actually used a summon for once.

Only problem I have with that is the

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Clones. I was under the impression that he could no longer use clones. Not many at least.

Oh and Naruto was completely holding back against A. To a laughable extent.

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I was under the impression that when he used the Nine-Tails chakra, his Rasengans became too bloody heavy to lift and control. So there's more than one problem. Still, twas pretty cool. That 6 Rasengan thing around him was awesome.

Yeah, he was holding back.

Also, even more confirmation that he can only detect emotions/ill intentions, not chakra.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Sasuke should be returning in a few chapters. Naruto'll fight him and Bee'll fight Madara/Kabuto. Thats my guess.

Its getting harder to hate Naruto when he keeps acting like a bamf th eway he was in this chapter.

He may be a bamf in combat, but he's still something of a loser out of combat.

Originally posted by dadudemon
laugh

I see what you did there.

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Originally posted by dadudemon
That's the exact same thing I wanted to say to you you're giving chakra attributes that it doesn't seem to posses.

And, based on how you worded...it's only useless IF he's around one of the most powerful resting chakra leveled people. )

I'm merely going by how chakra sensing is shown to work. Chakra from within a person does not 'flood' the area like you seem to be thinking it does. (not unless they undergo some sort of power up like Naruto does whenever he taps into the Fox's chakra)
If that were the case, the Sharingan, Byakugan, and Karin's Mind Eye, would see shapeless masses of chakra when they looked at people, not the near-properly defined shapes of said people.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes, that's exactly what that means. Unless you can prove that B's chakra control is that of Sakura's and not more like that of A's (just raw power oozing out at all times like Kenpachi and Ichigo's rieryoku.)

Lastly, yes, that's exactly what that means.

I don't agree with you then (on the Bee's chakra level bit, or rather, the way you arrived at Bee having more chakra than A does when he's using his Shroud to the max). [csm]uhuh[csm]

First you'd have to prove that Sakura herself can control her chakra like characters in Bleach can suppress their Reiatsu.
Another thing, chakra doesn't 'ooze out' like Reiryoku under normal circumstances.

Also, this shit is getting confusing. First we were arguing about Naruto being able to detect only emotions/intentions, not chakra. He's detected emotions twice or thrice, along with it being a noted ability of his, and he's only detected chakra once, that too, chakra from the Nine-Tails.

He also confirmed that he detected emotions just before meeting A, not chakra.

Originally posted by dadudemon
This is the Hachibi arguably the second most powerful Tailed Best by a significant margin. It was also being weilded by THE most adept host. Compare that to the other hosts which did not have his mastery, skills, and power.

And since she trembled a second time, this is obviously a trait she has a pansy. My conclusions you've proven my point and established reasons for why your point was wrong.

She has only trembled whenever the chakra of a person or being has scared her, either with its quantity or quality. Sasuke, Hachibi & A have all scared her.
But I digress, she still located Danzou when A was around. If A was oozing out chakra all over the place, she shouldn't have been able to pinpoint his location. So really, all you are left with is

a) Sensing chakra (within people) doesn't work the way you think it does.

and/or

b) Naruto doesn't have true chakra sensing capabilities when he's in Nine-Tails chakra mode

or

c) Naruto is a shitty chakra sensor in Nine-Tails mode.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I'm merely going by how chakra sensing is shown to work. Chakra from within a person does not 'flood' the area like you seem to be thinking it does. (not unless they undergo some sort of power up like Naruto does whenever he taps into the Fox's chakra)
If that were the case, the Sharingan, Byakugan, and Karin's Mind Eye, would see shapeless masses of chakra when they looked at people, not the near-properly defined shapes of said people.

you'd have a good point if the sensing worked the same for all of them. In fact, it doesn't work the same for any of them. 🙂

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I don't agree with you then (on the Bee's chakra level bit, or rather, the way you arrived at Bee having more chakra than A does when he's using his Shroud to the max). [csm]uhuh[csm]

It will never be agreeable, then. We'll drop this.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
First you'd have to prove that Sakura herself can control her chakra like characters in Bleach can suppress their Reiatsu.
Another thing, chakra doesn't 'ooze out' like Reiryoku under normal circumstances.

No, not at all. Some characters have more resting chakra detectable than others.

Hosts are one, for sure.

It also depends on the sensor type.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Also, this shit is getting confusing. First we were arguing about Naruto being able to detect only emotions/intentions, not chakra. He's detected emotions twice or thrice, along with it being a noted ability of his, and he's only detected chakra once, that too, chakra from the Nine-Tails.

He also confirmed that he detected emotions just before meeting A, not chakra.

I don't think it's just as simple as Naruto being able to detect evil intentions or ill will- it's more of extreme emotions.

I'm willing to say that he cannot detect chakra in his cloaked state, but I'm not 100% for sure, yet.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
She has only trembled whenever the chakra of a person or being has scared her, either with its quantity or quality. Sasuke, Hachibi & A have all scared her.

Boom, so you agree with me: it's a character trait, not a "first time she saw that much chakra" trait. 🙂

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
But I digress, she still located Danzou when A was around. If A was oozing out chakra all over the place, she shouldn't have been able to pinpoint his location. So really, all you are left with is

Covered this already: you're assuming it all works the same when the sensing abilities clearly do not work the same.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
a) Sensing chakra (within people) doesn't work the way you think it does.

and/or

b) Naruto doesn't have true chakra sensing capabilities when he's in Nine-Tails chakra mode

or

c) Naruto is a shitty chakra sensor in Nine-Tails mode.

Both b and c are actually my answers.

I think it's weak, works on a different mechanism (obviously it has to) than the other types, and is not very useful.

I also am about 95% sure he cannot detect any chakra in that mode, at this point...but I'd be an idiot if I said the I was 100% for sure about it because there's no way to be 100% for sure, at this point.

wait a sec, i though Naruto's not allowed to make shadow clones when in nine-tails mode??

Originally posted by stickman618
wait a sec, i though Naruto's not allowed to make shadow clones when in nine-tails mode??

Naruto can make shadow-clones, it's just risky since the kyuubi absorbs his chakra faster.

Originally posted by stickman618
wait a sec, i though Naruto's not allowed to make shadow clones when in nine-tails mode??

Do you really want to tug on the lose thread that is contradictions in Naruto? 😎

The clones business will probably be written down as "Not as bad as we thought."

man, Naruto is really starting to manipulate the rasengan in ways I wasn't expecting. gotta hand it to him for the damn variety of it now, but seriously, what's next, a rasengan that can home in on certain enemies?

well seeing as he pretty much has mastery of the kyuubi, his clones would be unaffected by its chakra as the original Naruto is keeping the kyuubi's chakra under control. before that when his control over it was bad, the clones would suffer from it.

Originally posted by dadudemon
you'd have a good point if the sensing worked the same for all of them. In fact, it doesn't work the same for any of them. 🙂

I don't get how this counters what I just said.

The Byakugan and the Sharingan 'see' chakra, as does Karin's mind's eye. We've seen through the eyes of a Byakugan user, and the chakra within Naruto wasn't oozing all over the place, it was contained within Naruto, mostly.

Originally posted by dadudemon
It will never be agreeable, then. We'll drop this.

No more arguing for the sake of arguing then? 🙁

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, not at all. Some characters have more resting chakra detectable than others.

Hosts are one, for sure.

It also depends on the sensor type.

That's simply because they have more chakra, within themselves, than some others do.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't think it's just as simple as Naruto being able to detect evil intentions or ill will- it's more of extreme emotions.

I'm willing to say that he cannot detect chakra in his cloaked state, but I'm not 100% for sure, yet.

Dunno. He states that it was the Zetsu clones that he probably detected earlier, and 3 other characters have all

Originally posted by dadudemon
Boom, so you agree with me: it's a character trait, not a "first time she saw that much chakra" trait. 🙂

Yep, a trait she has whenever she sees such high levels of chakra in one place, or when Sasuke's chakra gets colder. 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
Covered this already: you're assuming it all works the same when the sensing abilities clearly do not work the same.

The abilities in question entail the detection of other people via their chakra, which wouldn't be possible if a large amount of chakra from another person closer to the sensor, was all over the place such that it clouded their ability to detect the person they were trying to detect in the first place.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Both b and c are actually my answers.

I think it's weak, works on a different mechanism (obviously it has to) than the other types, and is not very useful.

I also am about 95% sure he cannot detect any chakra in that mode, at this point...but I'd be an idiot if I said the I was 100% for sure about it because there's no way to be 100% for sure, at this point.

I still don't think he can detect chakra from other people in this mode.

But I guess you're right. We can't be 100% sure he cannot detect chakra.

Originally posted by stickman618
wait a sec, i though Naruto's not allowed to make shadow clones when in nine-tails mode??

It's similar (in principle) to sex with hawt strangers. Some people will recommend against it, but you do it anyway.

What's more retarded is Naruto being able to form normal rasengans in Kyuubi chakra mode, when his Rasengans are supposed to become like the Tailed Beast Rasengan.

Well we actually won't know how normal they are until the anime. Could also be the case that these rasengan are weak and are not created with Kyuubi chakra, just kyuubi hands using them. Weak explanation of course.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I still don't think he can detect chakra from other people in this mode.

But I guess you're right. We can't be 100% sure he cannot detect chakra.

Since I, for the most part, conceding that it's unlikely he can detect chakra and you agree that we can't be 100% for sure at this point, we've reached an agreement so I suppose there's no further reason to talk about it, right? 😄

Edit - I read the rest and I see where the confusion is coming from.

Some detectors actually look and see the chakra around them through solid objects (Neji) and some can see more of a silhouette or outline of that chakra (Sasuke), while still others can just feel the amount of chakra (Karin), and lastly we have me theory and Naruto and that's just getting a vague feeling of chakra and power intensity from it not really being able to discern much of it.

That's what I meant about different chakra sensor types.

Double edit - How did Naruto know what Kakashi's chakra felt like if he didn't use Sage Mode until AFTER the last time he saw Kakashi? AHA! Plot hole. That or Naruto can sense chakra just barely in his base form and Sage Mode just amps it.

Remember when he got back and he asked Tsunade where Kakashi was because he couldn't feel his chakra? Well...how does Naruto even know what it feels like he did all of his sage training away from Kakashi? It's either a plot hole or Naruto can feel chakra at his base level and Sage mode just amps that.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Well we actually won't know how normal they are until the anime. Could also be the case that these rasengan are weak and are not created with Kyuubi chakra, just kyuubi hands using them. Weak explanation of course.

They look like normal rasengans though. Plus, when he's in that mode, he's using the Kyuubi's chakra, not his own, and we know what the Kyuubi's chakra looks like when it is used to form Menacing Balls & Rasengans.

Though I suppose your explanation holds some weight, even if it does not make sense. He should not have been able to make a Rasenshuriken with the Kyuubi's chakra.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Since I, for the most part, conceding that it's unlikely he can detect chakra and you agree that we can't be 100% for sure at this point, we've reached an agreement so I suppose there's no further reason to talk about it, right? 😄

Edit - I read the rest and I see where the confusion is coming from.

Some detectors actually look and see the chakra around them through solid objects (Neji) and some can see more of a silhouette or outline of that chakra (Sasuke), while still others can just feel the amount of chakra (Karin), and lastly we have me theory and Naruto and that's just getting a vague feeling of chakra and power intensity from it not really being able to discern much of it.

That's what I meant about different chakra sensor types.

Dammit. I like arguing for the sake of arguing. 😛

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
They look like normal rasengans though. Plus, when he's in that mode, he's using the Kyuubi's chakra, not his own, and we know what the Kyuubi's chakra looks like when it is used to form Menacing Balls & Rasengans.

Though I suppose your explanation holds some weight, even if it does not make sense. He should not have been able to make a Rasenshuriken with the Kyuubi's chakra.

Dammit. I like arguing for the sake of arguing. 😛

Read the other edit. I may have stumbled onto something.

The manga is pretty darn good at avoiding contradictions (contradictions of people's assumptions? That happens a lot. But of canon stuff? Quite a bit less so). I suspect we'll get an explanation here.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Indeed.

Also, Mito was apparently able to control the Kyuubi to the same extent as Naruto. At least enough to sense emotions. Badass. And no who isn't mentioned to have said ability? Kushina. 😖hifty:

Implication: Mito had Naruto's kyuubi mode.

There's a reason why she's the only S-class we know who's cause of death can be listed as 'old age' 🙂

I'm tempted to put her rank as S+.

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Nice rasengan upgrades! I especially like the minirasenshuriken for some reason, though the multi-rasengan is probably more badass ^^

raikage just has to worry about the wind chackra, other than that naruto still gets a beat down in my book 😗

Originally posted by psycho gundam
raikage just has to worry about the wind chackra, other than that naruto still gets a beat down in my book 😗

But Naruto is now the MC Hammer of current Naruto: can't touch this. 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
Edit - I read the rest and I see where the confusion is coming from.

Some detectors actually look and see the chakra around them through solid objects (Neji) and some can see more of a silhouette or outline of that chakra (Sasuke), while still others can just feel the amount of chakra (Karin), and lastly we have me theory and Naruto and that's just getting a vague feeling of chakra and power intensity from it not really being able to discern much of it.

That's what I meant about different chakra sensor types.

Double edit - How did Naruto know what Kakashi's chakra felt like if he didn't use Sage Mode until AFTER the last time he saw Kakashi? AHA! Plot hole. That or Naruto can sense chakra just barely in his base form and Sage Mode just amps it.

Remember when he got back and he asked Tsunade where Kakashi was because he couldn't feel his chakra? Well...how does Naruto even know what it feels like he did all of his sage training away from Kakashi? It's either a plot hole or Naruto can feel chakra at his base level and Sage mode just amps that.

Pretty much, except Karin can technically 'see' chakra outlines as well, in her Mind's Eye.

Well, there are various instances when regular ninjas are able to barely sense chakra to a very low extent, such as commenting on the feel of certain chakra, and so on. So it's possible that every ninja can sense chakra (Extra Sensory Perception), it's just that sensors happen to be very good at it.

Originally posted by Q99
Implication: Mito had Naruto's kyuubi mode.

There's a reason why she's the only S-class we know who's cause of death can be listed as 'old age' 🙂

I'm tempted to put her rank as S+.

At the very least. She had years to master the Kyuubi's powers, so it's likely that she had better control over the Kyuubi than Naruto currently does, and Kushina did.

Originally posted by dadudemon
But Naruto is now the MC Hammer of current Naruto: can't touch this. 🙂

We both know that when Sasuke is revealed again, he will automatically be > Naruto. awesome

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Pretty much, except Karin can technically 'see' chakra outlines as well, in her Mind's Eye.

Well, there are various instances when regular ninjas are able to barely sense chakra to a very low extent, such as commenting on the feel of certain chakra, and so on. So it's possible that every ninja can sense chakra (Extra Sensory Perception), it's just that sensors happen to be very good at it.

I don't remember non-sensors commenting on sensing chakra, ever. I could be wrong as there's 500+ chapters to pull information from.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
We both know that when Sasuke is revealed again, he will automatically be > Naruto. awesome

Probably true because Kishimoto HAS to do SOMETHING to keep Sasuke up with Naruto.

Originally posted by Q99
The manga is pretty darn good at avoiding contradictions (contradictions of people's assumptions? That happens a lot. But of canon stuff? Quite a bit less so). I suspect we'll get an explanation here.

Indeed. 99% sure it will be a case of not as bad as we thought.

Originally posted by Q99
Implication: Mito had Naruto's kyuubi mode.

There's a reason why she's the only S-class we know who's cause of death can be listed as 'old age' 🙂

I'm tempted to put her rank as S+.

I can top that actually. My friend, who was far more observant in this chapter than I ever was, suggested that it was because of Mito being able to since evil intent that Madara delayed attacking the Leaf until Kushina had replaced her. In essence, she might be considered to be a threat to Madara.

So yeah, S+.

Originally posted by Q99
Nice rasengan upgrades! I especially like the minirasenshuriken for some reason, though the multi-rasengan is probably more badass ^^

Indeed. Have not seen such a beat down since we saw Sasuke defeat Team Kakashi like total noobs.