The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by dadudemon
That's Kabuto...one of the best Medical nin, probably only second or third to Sakura or Tsunade.

Additionally, it does not comment on his chakra being particular to Oro..just comments on the strength.

This also lends credence to my idea that chakra oozes out like rieryoku. 😄

Medical nin does not automatically equate to Sensor nin, and none of those three are Sensors.

He's still sensing chakra from Sasuke.

Not like Reiryoku. In that instance, I'd say it was more akin to Reiatsu, as in a directed and controlled 'burst', but in normal resting circumstances, I don't think chakra oozes out, and I am certain it does not ooze out all over the place.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Bee seemed much better than the previous host. Mito could also have helped her prepare. And she did kinda.
And we saw what happened to those losers didn't we? 😛

Madara picked a much better time to attack. When their guard would be down and when he could get Naruto as a nice bargaining chip.

Onscreen beating. Pain still has Sasuke beat so it doesn't matter. 😛

IDK. Chidori Nagashi and some nice genjutsu are plausible too.

We never saw Bee's first few days as a Jinchuurikii. Mito helping her prepare would still not make her anywhere close to Mito's level of skill.
Madara would have spanked Teen Minato. 😛

Or he picked the only time he could draw out the Fox.

Minato's was never on-screen either, technically. 😛
Pfft, Pain had 6 bodies, and even then, I don't think he took out the same number of ninjas that Sasuke did.

I guess so, but they aren't as potent as FTG.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
We never saw Bee's first few days as a Jinchuurikii. Mito helping her prepare would still not make her anywhere close to Mito's level of skill.
Madara would have spanked Teen Minato. 😛

Or he picked the only time he could draw out the Fox.

Minato's was never on-screen either, technically. 😛
Pfft, Pain had 6 bodies, and even then, I don't think he took out the same number of ninjas that Sasuke did.

I guess so, but they aren't as potent as FTG.

He mastered it in no time. Much better than others can claim. 😛

Only time he could draw out the Fox would in fact be the best time to attack.

Pain stopped a Civil War by himself and destroyed Hanzo's whole side. My guess is that's a large number. 😛

Indeed, because Minato is just that awesome.

One thing is for sure, if Naruto spends another month with Bee, he'll be far and away the HNIC in the entire series.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Spoiler:
He probably used watermelon cells...maybe some fried chicken cells for good measure. Probably also a dash of krunk.

😐

I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

One thing I like about Kishi's work is he has black characters that are powerful badasses. So, obviously, it's not going to be something racist. I just couldn't help myself.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
He mastered it in no time. Much better than others can claim. 😛

Only time he could draw out the Fox would in fact be the best time to attack.

Pain stopped a Civil War by himself and destroyed Hanzo's whole side. My guess is that's a large number. 😛

Indeed, because Minato is just that awesome.

Nah. At best we can say that he mastered it just before fighting Minato.
Damn, how'd we go from Mito to Bee?

So you agree that he attacked the only time he could attack.

Over a long period of time, not at once like Sasuke. 😛

Kisame, Itachi and pre-Susano'o Sasuke > Minato. You know this to be true.

Originally posted by Q99
S+

Kushina Uzumaki

Mito Uzumai

S

A (Raikage)
Danzo (with implant jutsu)
Deidara
Gaara (Kage)
Hiruzen Sarutobi (Old)
Jiraiya
Kakashi Hatake (Mastered Kamui)
Kakuzu
Kisame Hoshigaki (with Samehada)
Konan*
Mei Terumi
Naruto Uzumaki (Sage Mode)
Orochimaru*
Sasori
Sasuke Uchiha (Orochimaru merge/mangekyo)
Tsunade

B-
Aoba Yamashiro

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S class (and this may be a good idea to apply to all the classes) should be arranged in a hirearchy by placing names from strongest S to lowest, cause it almost seems like there could be a sub level in there

sasuke would get owned a by a few of them considering how much PIS his fights are. diedara killed him in my book uhuh

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Nah. At best we can say that he mastered it just before fighting Minato.
Damn, how'd we go from Mito to Bee?

So you agree that he attacked the only time he could attack.

Over a long period of time, not at once like Sasuke. 😛

Kisame, Itachi and pre-Susano'o Sasuke > Minato. You know this to be true.

Your fault, not mine. 😛

Nope. He could attack at any moment when Kushina took over. Just so happened that her giving birth was the best moment to cause chaos. As we saw. He's been known to go in and out of Konoha without much problem, see Uchiha Massacre. 😛

Actually, given that it is Pain, probably all at once. Tee hee.

Lolno, roughly equal, nah. 313

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Medical nin does not automatically equate to Sensor nin, and none of those three are Sensors.

But a super duper unique and powerful medical nin who exhibits a strange chakra sensing ability does not mean he's par for any ninja...which was my point.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
He's still sensing chakra from Sasuke.

He's sensing powerful chakra from Sasuke...he's not sensing "Sasuke flavored chakra" like Naruto can do in Sage Mode.

Naruto would also have to have sensed Kakashi's chakra BEFORE going into sage mode in order to be able to tell Kakashi's chakra apart form the others because he didn't sense it when he showed up to the battle field.

Either Naruto's bijuu offers some mild chakra sensing abilities that allowed Naruto to be able to tell Kakashi was not "on" the battlefield, or that was PIS. There could also be a third explanation ... like...those with a strong will of fire can sense others chakra on a subtle level. But I doubt it.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Not like Reiryoku. In that instance, I'd say it was more akin to Reiatsu, as in a directed and controlled 'burst', but in normal resting circumstances, I don't think chakra oozes out, and I am certain it does not ooze out all over the place.

No, like reiryoku. Reiatsu is rieryoku manifest. There's I reason I sa "reiryoku" instead of "reiatsu": reiryoku is more like chakra and chakra being flexed and sensed would be like reiatsu which is literally "the pressure from feeling another's reiryoku."

And, yeah...chakra does ooze our for tailed beast cloak forms. It even makes a thick bubbling noise in the anime. 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
"Sasuke flavored chakra"

Oh yea, I'm thinking Kyuubi-Chakra Mode is a shoe-in for S+ at this point. He's shown speed, power, and precision.

And random thing I noticed: Minato didn't use Rasengan in his fight with A and B. That might've been before he created it.

Originally posted by psycho gundam

S class (and this may be a good idea to apply to all the classes) should be arranged in a hirearchy by placing names from strongest S to lowest, cause it almost seems like there could be a sub level in there

There's enough controversy with the wider rankings as-is 🙂 If you want to rank them within each class, you're free to, and I do feel some within each rank are stronger or weaker, but for the listing I'm doing alphabetical.

Originally posted by marwash22
gross.

😆 😆 😆

Originally posted by Q99
There's enough controversy with the wider rankings as-is 🙂 If you want to rank them within each class, you're free to, and I do feel some within each rank are stronger or weaker, but for the listing I'm doing alphabetical.

Not to mention, some are situational more powerful than others within each rank. So, yeah, it's near impossible to get a nice "within rank" ranking.

I think your list is fine, as is. We COULD argue on some of them being better than others within each rank, but not all.

For example, obviusly, Minato is better than Raikage and B, at the same time.

😆

but seriously, mito and kushina are that high?

Q99, you have some splaining to do

Originally posted by dadudemon

For example, obviusly, Minato is better than Raikage and B, at the same time.

Ah, but situationally, a Biju Ball can be more useful than Minato, even though Minato's overall the more dangerous 🙂

psycho gundam
but seriously, mito and kushina are that high?

you have some splaining to do

They have the 9-tails. Mito has high level mastery, current Naruto high. Kushina has lower-level mastery, but also has chains and barriers that can restrain the 9-tails (or keep out Hiruzen Sarutobi) without that.

They also both have S-class seal jutsu. Kushina taught Minato Uzumaki seals, and that's how he knew the death god jutsu. They both are noted for having incredible chakra even aside from their biju as well.

It's pretty strait forward. If you have reasonable amount of control of a biju, you're almost guaranteed S, all the more-so if it's a high tailed one. If you have significant areas of mastery on top of that, and Kushina has multiple, well, S+ isn't hard.

Yagura? Almost certainly an S+ too.

Originally posted by Q99
Ah, but situationally, a Biju Ball can be more useful than Minato, even though Minato's overall the more dangerous 🙂

You..you...bastard! How do you use my reasoning from the same exact post, against me.

😄

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Your fault, not mine. 😛

Nope. He could attack at any moment when Kushina took over. Just so happened that her giving birth was the best moment to cause chaos. As we saw. He's been known to go in and out of Konoha without much problem, see Uchiha Massacre. 😛

Actually, given that it is Pain, probably all at once. Tee hee.

Lolno, roughly equal, nah. 313

I brought in Kushina, while you brought in Bee. 😛

Kay, fair enough.
We've lost sight of the original discussion. >__> Either way, there was much more than just Mito's ability to sense evil intent that kept Madara away from the Kyuubi.

Don't kid yourself.

Implying that Itachi, Kisame & pre-Susano'o Sasuke are slightly superior to Minato? I can live with that. 😛
So what, is Minato now your favourite character? He fathered Naruto you know; even he got to bang Kushina, he still fathered Naruto.

Originally posted by dadudemon
But a super duper unique and powerful medical nin who exhibits a strange chakra sensing ability does not mean he's par for any ninja...which was my point.

He's sensing powerful chakra from Sasuke...he's not sensing "Sasuke flavored chakra" like Naruto can do in Sage Mode.

Naruto would also have to have sensed Kakashi's chakra BEFORE going into sage mode in order to be able to tell Kakashi's chakra apart form the others because he didn't sense it when he showed up to the battle field.

Either Naruto's bijuu offers some mild chakra sensing abilities that allowed Naruto to be able to tell Kakashi was not "on" the battlefield, or that was PIS. There could also be a third explanation ... like...those with a strong will of fire can sense others chakra on a subtle level. But I doubt it.

And, yeah...chakra does ooze our for tailed beast cloak forms. It even makes a thick bubbling noise in the anime. 🙂

Fairy nuff. Certain ninjas have a slightly heightened sense of ESP (provided the chakra is strong enough), while others have this ESP developed to a high level?
That said, Kabuto's still a non-sensor.

Right, because it's the first time he's shown sensing chakra from Sasuke. He won't know it's 'Sasuke-flavoured' unless he senses it once.

And again, various characters have been able to sense the Nine-tails chakra/presence. Kakashi and Zabuza were able to tell that Naruto was using the Kyuubi chakra, while they were in the Zabuza's mist tech.

Indeed, but that particular occasion (Kabuto detecting strong chakra from Sasuke thanks to his glare) was more akin to Reiatsu, which is what I was saying.

Yep, I know it oozes out for Tailed Beast Cloak forms.
Notice I said 'normal resting circumstances' 🙂

Originally posted by Q99
Oh yea, I'm thinking Kyuubi-Chakra Mode is a shoe-in for S+ at this point. He's shown speed, power, and precision.

And random thing I noticed: Minato didn't use Rasengan in his fight with A and B. That might've been before he created it.

It's superior to Sage Mode now. He can sense things no other sensor can, and is the SA's only method of dealing with the Zetsu clones, so definitely S+.

Probably. He could have used it when he ported back to A.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I brought in Kushina, while you brought in Bee. 😛

Kay, fair enough.
We've lost sight of the original discussion. >__> Either way, there was much more than just Mito's ability to sense evil intent that kept Madara away from the Kyuubi.

Don't kid yourself.

Implying that Itachi, Kisame & pre-Susano'o Sasuke are slightly superior to Minato? I can live with that. 😛
So what, is Minato now your favourite character? He fathered Naruto you know; even he got to bang Kushina, he still fathered Naruto.

Bee of course being cooler than Kushina. awesome

She could sense him whenever he'd be near the village. After her death, it certainly would have made things much easier.

I do not.

Itachi may be his equal, the other two are below him. 😛

I do like Minato a lot. He is up there. And it's mostly due to how he looks here.

I went d'aw when I first read it.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

It's superior to Sage Mode now. He can sense things no other sensor can, and is the SA's only method of dealing with the Zetsu clones, so definitely S+.

And most importantly, no prep and a far less strict time limit. Doesn't hurt that he can still go sagemode as backup if he has the time and wants to about Kyuubi-mode's drawbacks.