The Official Naruto series Thread

New chapter is out:

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Gaara's dad uses his stupid gold powers to fight against Gaara and Onoki. Gaara tells his dad that he became Kazekage and has friends. Gaara's dad doesn't believe it entirely and goes along with fighting him.

More flashbacks about Gaara's pars, Gaara was actually born with the rings around his eyes and turned into the Shukaku right after Yashimaru died. Then sand in the shape of his mom binds him and the other three Kage.

2nd Mizukage was hilarious, Muu was badass, 3rd Raikage was also funny 😄

Thanks for pointing that out.

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Gotta say, Gaara's dad is a complete dick. Seriously, you take a 6 year old with insecurity issues and deliberately push him over the edge to see if he can take it? If you're gonna do that, do it outside the village you stupid shit.

That said, Suna must have been hurting badly. Even with the trading of gold they were in a bad financial situation? Damn.

Mizukage is awesome. I wish I didn't have eyebrows. Least we found out where Onoki gets his ideals from. Raikage is much calmer than his kids, surprisingly enough. This chapter also indicates that Kabuto does not know what he is ****ing doing at all.

I think its in their nature for the rock kages to be genrally assholes

Man, I'm with ya Aura. Imma go shave of my eyebrows right now.

Gaara's dad was such a prick. **** that guy. I'm glad Orochimaru killed that bastard.

Originally posted by yungz22
I think its in their nature for the rock kages to be genrally assholes

Muu's using ninja logic that excuses him from being an *******. Although it's nice to Onoki not buy into it.

Wow....Im amazed and ashamed for Gaara's Dad coming up with his half-assed reasoning for being a complete dick to his children. Maybe instead of following the old way, which got his predecesor turned into a puppet, he should've took his advisors suggestions.

Even that last confession can't change the fact that he's a dick. Minato might as well be father of the millenium in comparison.

Gaara's dad has gold abilities? What happen to good ol simple Ninja fights? lol

Orochimaru > Gaara's dad, do you guys think Gaara fairs well against Orochimaru?

Originally posted by Q99
She beat Sasuke. Tsunade beat Orochimaru. Chiyo and Sakura beat Sasori.

A chakra-drained, weakened Sasuke. A jutsu-less, weakened Orochimaru. It took two of them to beat this guy, but fair enough. Tayuya is a better example.
Women still kind of get the short end of the stick in Naruto.

Originally posted by Darth Angel
Sasuke's fanboysm is strong in here.

Let's face it, both Sasuke and Deidara were low Kage level fighters, while B is mid to high kage level character (I would say mid because IMO high Kage level should be left to a very restrict amount of people).

And so Sasuke had his ass beat by B. So, what's the problem? And the only reason he survived the kage summit was due to Mangenkyo technique's spamming, which made him go blind. Good thing his brother died for him right? So much for Sasuke's power...

Anyway, Sasuke's character was ripped to pieces by his bersek behavior with no viable reason for it. And now it comes the Eternal Mangekyo. Oh God...

Beats the Kushina fanboyism we had earlier. That shit was stoopid.

Bee's S+ under Q99's system, so that is very high up. Off the top of my head, the only people I think that are definitely stronger than Bee are people like Madara, Nagato, Onoki, Mu, Second Mizukage (assuming he drew with and killed Mu fairly, and not in a suicide attempt), Hashirama, Sarutobi at his prime, The Sage of the Six Paths, and perhaps a healthy Itachi & Minato.
If you want to believe the character-related hype that characters in Naruto tend to spout, then Jiraiya would be included in that list as well.

Nah, he survived the Kage Summit thanks to Zetsu and Madara. Also, lulz, MS is still his power, even if Itachi died for him, and even if he spammed the heck out of it.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Nah...I don't think it's considered pwning when the guy Sasuke was fighting could've killed him at least three times in that fight prior to unlocking Amateratsu. Especially when said person(Bee) punked Sasuke into thinking he caught him only for it to be a tail.

Finally someone else realizes that the MS was a downgrade when Sasuke first got it in comparison to his Hebi powers.

Bee pwning Sasuke twice in that fight does not change the fact that he still transformed, and nearly got his ass kicked. Notice I said "nearly." That's because Bee was able to trick Sasuke. Was a heck of a feat though, transforming and using the substitution jutsu, or something like that.

It was a downgrade at the time, but it isn't any longer. Still, I wish Kishi had left Sasuke with his Snake and Cursed Seal techs. They were ossum.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Thanks for pointing that out.

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Gotta say, Gaara's dad is a complete dick. Seriously, you take a 6 year old with insecurity issues and deliberately push him over the edge to see if he can take it? If you're gonna do that, do it outside the village you stupid shit.

That said, Suna must have been hurting badly. Even with the trading of gold they were in a bad financial situation? Damn.

Mizukage is awesome. I wish I didn't have eyebrows. Least we found out where Onoki gets his ideals from. Raikage is much calmer than his kids, surprisingly enough. This chapter also indicates that Kabuto does not know what he is ****ing doing at all.

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Nah, he shouldn't have done it at all. How is a 6 year old supposed to have any control over a Bijuu anyway?
Anyway, it seems like Gaara still has his Auto-shield. Though it was tied to his mother, rather than Shukaku. Karura > Kushina.
Hmm, Karura's work reminds me of Harry Potter.

Did the war affect them tremendously or something? Or did their reputation as ninja drop tremendously after the war, or because their strongest Kage was taken out by someone?

Yeah, Mizukage's awesome. About as awesome as Zabuza now, if not more so. Zabuza had no eyebrows too.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Bee pwning Sasuke twice in that fight does not change the fact that he still transformed, and nearly got his ass kicked. Notice I said "nearly." That's because Bee was able to trick Sasuke. Was a heck of a feat though, transforming and using the substitution jutsu, or something like that.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

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Nah, he shouldn't have done it at all. How is a 6 year old supposed to have any control over a Bijuu anyway?
Anyway, it seems like Gaara still has his Auto-shield. Though it was tied to his mother, rather than Shukaku. Karura > Kushina.
Hmm, Karura's work reminds me of Harry Potter.

Did the war affect them tremendously or something? Or did their reputation as ninja drop tremendously after the war, or because their strongest Kage was taken out by someone?

Bee was made the jinjuruki when he was 5 and still was able to cope with the hate because he had A with him. Had Gaara's dad did that instead of trying to kill him 6 times, make him feel worthless, and drive him to madness Gaara would've been a better jinjuruki IMO.

Now actually mastering the Shukaku is another issue all together.

Karura spawned Kankuro. That takes away a point or six. I do think that it was both sweet of her to do that for Gaara and kind of stupid that it's the reason for Gaara's auto-shield.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Bee pwned Sasuke more and Sasuke needed Taka to back him up. Bee still has the better record. Take that Sasuke and your Amateratsu 🙂

Is this about Bee's "pwning record" in that fight being better than Sasuke's (which it easily is), or the fact that Sasuke nearly managed to pwn a fully transformed Bee, in addition to making him scream like a little girl?
I think it's the latter. 🙂
Plus, Bee has stated that Sasuke could be the strongest guy he's fought. So, Sasuke >= Minato, in Bee's view. vin

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Bee was made the jinjuruki when he was 5 and still was able to cope with the hate because he had A with him. Had Gaara's dad did that instead of trying to kill him 6 times, make him feel worthless, and drive him to madness Gaara would've been a better jinjuruki IMO.

Now actually mastering the Shukaku is another issue all together.

Karura spawned Kankuro. That takes away a point or six. I do think that it was both sweet of her to do that for Gaara and kind of stupid that it's the reason for Gaara's auto-shield.

5? It could have been 6 or 7. It isn't stated that the Hachibi was sealed in Bee right after the attack that killed Motoi's father. Besides, Bee never had good control over the Hachibi at the age of 6.
Yeah, Gaara's father should never have tried to have him killed. Testing his value like that is just stupid.

And? Kushina spawned Naruto, who has had the capacity to be far laemer than Kankuro could ever be.
At the same time, Karura has Temari, and Gaara as well, two very awesome characters.

Originally posted by King Kandy
What kage do you think is stronger than Bee? Minato, Onoki, Hashirama? I think Bee belongs to a very short list of top tiers.

Hey, I am not saying that there are many people stronger then Bee out there, just saying that some levels should be restricted to very few people.

So let's say Kage level was divided in:

Extreme kage level, High kage level, Mid kage level and Low kage level. In that case I would put him in High kage level.

My point is only that it makes no sense to have an ultimate level if there something like more then a dozen people on it. That's why personally I think the highest level should belong to VERY restrict group of people (like Madara, Minato, eventually Hashirama etc).

But yes, Bee is definitaly one of the strongest characters in the entire series, I am not contesting that.

I think that Bee is extreme level. He's head over heels above A in strength and speed, and A is physically the strongest. He has full control over his Biju. He is immune to all genjutsu. He wields Samehada which is incredibly broken.

I think he'd beat Sarutobi handily. I think he'd beat Hashirama handily (well, Hashirama could simply seal his powers but if they have full access to their abilities Bee stomps). I think he could beat Nagato in a tough fight. I think he could beat Itachi, I think he could beat Jiraiya. Bee seems as "extreme" as it gets to me.

Hashirama beat a Madara with the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan and the Nine-tails. Bee's great and all but the Nine-tails would beat the shit out of him alone imo.

We have no clue what actually happened in that fight outside of one panel... when both combatants have power over Biju, the nine-tails is hardly a measuring stick for that fight. We saw Hashirama vs Sarutobi and in that fight he sucked. I'm going by what we actually see not simple speculation.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Suna must have been hurting badly. Even with the trading of gold they were in a bad financial situation? Damn.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Hashirama beat a Madara with the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan and the Nine-tails. Bee's great and all but the Nine-tails would beat the shit out of him alone imo.

Yeah, by apparently gaining control of the Kyuubi mid-fight. Even then, like KK said, we don't know what really happened. We do know that Madara's purpose was to get some DNA from Hashirama.

Still, a full-powered Kyuubi would likely school Bee.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I think that Bee is extreme level. He's head over heels above A in strength and speed, and A is physically the strongest. He has full control over his Biju. He is immune to all genjutsu. He wields Samehada which is incredibly broken.

I think he'd beat Sarutobi handily. I think he'd beat Hashirama handily (well, Hashirama could simply seal his powers but if they have full access to their abilities Bee stomps). I think he could beat Nagato in a tough fight. I think he could beat Itachi, I think he could beat Jiraiya. Bee seems as "extreme" as it gets to me.

Nah, A's still faster. He also has yet to be seen using Samehada in battle, because he still prefers using his old swords.

All genjutsu? I don't quite think that's the case. Itachi managed to make a second in the real world seem like three days in genjutsu world, and we've seen that Bee can definitely be trapped by a genjutsu for more than a second. He's not going to dispell Itachi's Tsukuyomi before Itachi deals damage to him.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Nah, A's still faster. He also has yet to be seen using Samehada in battle, because he still prefers using his old swords.

All genjutsu? I don't quite think that's the case. Itachi managed to make a second in the real world seem like three days in genjutsu world, and we've seen that Bee can definitely be trapped by a genjutsu for more than a second. He's not going to dispell Itachi's Tsukuyomi before Itachi deals damage to him.

If he extends Bee's consciousness, all that does is give Bee more time to coordinate an escape. We saw him break out again, after only a second's effort. If he has three days, it will just be all the easier. It doesn't matter what it is in "real time", because Bee won't be operating in real time. He'll be operating on the genjutsu's terms.

Originally posted by King Kandy
We have no clue what actually happened in that fight outside of one panel... when both combatants have power over Biju, the nine-tails is hardly a measuring stick for that fight. We saw Hashirama vs Sarutobi and in that fight he sucked. I'm going by what we actually see not simple speculation.

And according to Madara, he lost on purpose.

Well Madara is a liar.

I mean, Hashirama was the only one stopping him from being leader of the village. If he won he would have been Hokage. Why would he lose on purpose?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

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Nah, he shouldn't have done it at all. How is a 6 year old supposed to have any control over a Bijuu anyway?
Anyway, it seems like Gaara still has his Auto-shield. Though it was tied to his mother, rather than Shukaku. Karura > Kushina.
Hmm, Karura's work reminds me of Harry Potter.

Did the war affect them tremendously or something? Or did their reputation as ninja drop tremendously after the war, or because their strongest Kage was taken out by someone?

Yeah, Mizukage's awesome. About as awesome as Zabuza now, if not more so. Zabuza had no eyebrows too.

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By being as awesome as Bee. And yeah, Karura certainly pulled the Harry Potter effect. And nah, she definitely doesn't outrank Kushina. Kankuro is too awful. Even Gaara and Temari can't make up for him.

Probably a combination of both.

More so, obviously. And I know. He wanted to be like his idol, the 2nd Mizukage.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well Madara is a liar.

I mean, Hashirama was the only one stopping him from being leader of the village. If he won he would have been Hokage. Why would he lose on purpose?

At that point, he wouldn't have been able to become Hokage. He was attacking for teh revenge.

Granted, Madara probably lost and only got the Senju cells as his plan B. He probably really wanted to kill them more than anything else.