The Official Naruto series Thread

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killermover Senior Member

Originally posted by NemeBro
Shadow is also kind of lame, or at least he is now. Seriously, **** that guy.
The notion that the rival can only lose to the main character is an ignorant and limiting notion, such hard-set literary opinions only serve to stifle your story's versatility, and your own creativity. Or something.

Figures a Dante fanboy would say Shadow sucks. Shadow is like Vergil, to cool to be compared to the main characters of their own series because they always win in a fight and plot always makes the main character win.

So you are moot.

TheAuraAngel Hegemon

Originally posted by killermover
Sauske is phenomenally powerful, he has the freakin sharingan, which surpresses Kyuubi level beasts and beats freakin Sannin.
What does his personality have to due with his rep as the guy who everyone and there moms want to be like or be with based on established plot?
Gary from the Games I meant.
He's basically black Naruto who looks like Wesley Snipes. I hate clone characters.
No, he's a plot tumor that came out of the blue.
Kisame is the most interesting akatsuki member after Itachi, and his more manly than any character in the series.
Your arguement is moot.

And Bee is the strongest jinchuriki in the show. Though Naruto will probably get stronger eventually.

Not everyone wants to be like him?

There is no Gary in the games. There is no proof that Blue never lost to anyone. And most importantly, Pokemon is not well written to begin with.

Naruto isn't as happy. Nor as cool.

But he is not a bad character. 😛

Kisame was boring. Only had a in detail character at the time of his death. Otherwise he was just a tough guy who acted tough. He was tough but besides the point.

You're trying to make the argument that Bee is not plot related.

NemeBro Senior Member

Originally posted by killermover
Sauske is phenomenally powerful, he has the freakin sharingan, which surpresses Kyuubi level beasts and beats freakin Sannin.
What does his personality have to due with his rep as the guy who everyone and there moms want to be like or be with based on established plot?
Gary from the Games I meant.
He's basically black Naruto who looks like Wesley Snipes. I hate clone characters.
No, he's a plot tumor that came out of the blue.
Kisame is the most interesting akatsuki member after Itachi, and his more manly than any character in the series.
Your arguement is moot.

1. Sasuke is powerful. Ever think that maybe, that is the reason why we think B to be badass, because he beat an opponent as strong as Sasuke? Also, lol, Sharingan, it can supress Tailed Beasts, but beats Sannin? Itachi beat a Sannin with it, but dared not fight Jiraiya, who he firmly believed would wreck his shit. And Itachi's feats are not Sasuke's.

2. What are you talking about now? I am not fluent in fangirl.

3. Lern2specify.

4. I love how any black character with sunglasses is a clone of Wesley Snipes. He is similar to Naruto, undoubtedly, but has the good fortune to lack Naruto's incredibly shitty, lame moments. He is also more mature, wiser, and more intelligent.

5. Bawwww Sasuke is not getting enough spotlight. Plot tumor? B is relevant at the moment, but he is not dominating the manga, he had a flashback recently, sure, but it was not particularly long, and the focus is still undoubtedly on Naruto.

6. I like Kisame. And Itachi is not particularly interesting, in my opinion anyway, though you are free to think that.

7. You're kind of arrogant, huh?

Originally posted by killermover
From the games moron.

Only you did not specify, silly little boy.

Originally posted by killermover
Figures a Dante fanboy would say Shadow sucks. Shadow is like Vergil, to cool to be compared to the main characters of their own series because they always win in a fight and plot always makes the main character win.
So you are moot.

I will forgive you for making this misconception, for you could not have known why I have this theme at the moment.

Let me start by saying I hate Dante, really, really, hate Dante, and I ****ing despise Devil May Cry. I have this sig because I grinned with glee as I saw the new Dante, and the fanboy outrage at it. Feeding on their tears, growing stronger, I had this sig fashioned so that I may continue to mock them.

As for Shadow, Shadow was cool in Adventure 2. He had an acceptable amount of angst, and developed through it, getting over it, and becoming a selfless hero in the process. Then... He regressed back to his angst-over-Maria self and became a punk again. 😬

You clearly do not understand how good writing works.

TheAuraAngel Hegemon

Originally posted by NemeBro
Itachi beat a Sannin with it, but dared not fight Jiraiya, who he firmly believed would wreck his shit. And Itachi's feats are not Sasuke's.

Actually, Itachi probably would not want to fight Jiraiya for that whole really being a good guy thing. The two are much closer in abilities than Itachi let on.

NemeBro Senior Member

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Actually, Itachi probably would not want to fight Jiraiya for that whole really being a good guy thing. The two are much closer in abilities than Itachi let on.

Only they're really not, and quite frankly Itachi was not a "good guy." He was not necessarily evil, but more morally grey.

Kisame also had a firm grasp of his partner's abilities, and agreed Jiraiya would wreck their shit.

Pain thought that, if Jiraiya knew the secrets of the Six Paths of Pain, Jiraiya would have beaten him.

Jiraiya is physically much more powerful than Itachi, and also has access to one of the most broken Genjutsu techniques in the series.

killermover Senior Member

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
And Bee is the strongest jinchuriki in the show. Though Naruto will probably get stronger eventually.

Naruto was always stronger than Bee. As a ninja and as a jinnchuriki. Bee just filled a slot to teach Naruto to become a better jinnchuriki which he didn't need since Mount Myokuban seemed to be a better aternative to getting power and eventually taming the Kyuubi.
Not everyone wants to be like him?
Almost everyonr fapped to Sasuke, he was the adonis and the mona lisa of rookie ninjas.
There is no Gary in the games. There is no proof that Blue never lost to anyone. And most importantly, Pokemon is not well written to begin with.
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Blue_(game)
Naruto isn't as happy. Nor as cool.
Naruto was plenty happy in part 1, and as for the cool part, both Naruto and Bee are the lamest characters in the show.
But he is not a bad character. 😛
Kisame was boring. Only had a in detail character at the time of his death. Otherwise he was just a tough guy who acted tough. He was tough but besides the point.
Kisame was like a Shark Kenpachi and Zoro, he loves to fight and kill. Thats al he needs to be an appealing character. Not like unfunny Naruto clones like Bee.

You're trying to make the argument that Bee is not plot related.

And I'm arguing he shouldn't be.

TheAuraAngel Hegemon

Originally posted by NemeBro
Only they're really not, and quite frankly Itachi was not a "good guy." He was not necessarily evil, but more morally grey.
Kisame also had a firm grasp of his partner's abilities, and agreed Jiraiya would wreck their shit.
Pain thought that, if Jiraiya knew the secrets of the Six Paths of Pain, Jiraiya would have beaten him.
Jiraiya is physically much more powerful than Itachi, and also has access to one of the most broken Genjutsu techniques in the series.

I wouldn't say that. Dude sacrificed a lot just to prevent war.

He has no idea about Jiraiya's abilities though. We do. The gap isn't that big. Orochimaru knows Jiraiya's abilities and doesn't think Jiraiya could hold his own against him.

Pain was not going all out against him. In those circumstances Jiraiya would have won but if Pain was going no holds bar, Jiraiya would have not lasted as long.

Stronger physically. His genjutsu takes setup time and is not as spamable as Itachi's. Ninjutsu they're roughly the same I'd suppose.

Originally posted by killermover
Naruto was always stronger than Bee. As a ninja and as a jinnchuriki. Bee just filled a slot to teach Naruto to become a better jinnchuriki which he didn't need since Mount Myokuban seemed to be a better aternative to getting power and eventually taming the Kyuubi.
Almost everyonr fapped to Sasuke, he was the adonis and the mona lisa of rookie ninjas.
Naruto was plenty happy in part 1, and as for the cool part, both Naruto and Bee are the lamest characters in the show.
Kisame was like a Shark Kenpachi and Zoro, he loves to fight and kill. Thats al he needs to be an appealing character. Not like unfunny Naruto clones like Bee.
And I'm arguing he shouldn't be.

The hell manga you been reading?

Except that there Hinata girl. Who will probably end up hitched to Sasuke. Really, I'd like to see an interaction between the two. Would be interesting.

Naruto was not as happy as Bee, who is perfectly fine with his best friend trying to kill him. Bee is awesome for several of the cool things he has done.

Kenpachi is not that cool. I don't really like Zoro that much either. Though I get him more than I get Kisame.

Because you don't like him. People have tried to argue that Naruto would be identical without Sasuke in it. Just because you don't like a character, that doesn't change their overall importance at all.

NemeBro Senior Member

Originally posted by killermover
Naruto was always stronger than Bee. As a ninja and as a jinnchuriki. Bee just filled a slot to teach Naruto to become a better jinnchuriki which he didn't need since Mount Myokuban seemed to be a better aternative to getting power and eventually taming the Kyuubi.
Almost everyonr fapped to Sasuke, he was the adonis and the mona lisa of rookie ninjas.
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Blue_(game)
Naruto was plenty happy in part 1, and as for the cool part, both Naruto and Bee are the lamest characters in the show.
Kisame was like a Shark Kenpachi and Zoro, he loves to fight and kill. Thats al he needs to be an appealing character. Not like unfunny Naruto clones like Bee.
And I'm arguing he shouldn't be.

1. Yeah man I guess that is why B has shown to be stronger with his Biju, and with more control, and was able to best his brother, something Naruto physically could not. They are perhaps comparable.

2. Stop gushing over your boyfriend, we don't want to see it.

3. K.

4. Naruto is lame, B is not. 🙂

5. Kisame is indeed cool, although, I will say that your interpretation of his is decidedly shallow. 🙂

6. Baw.

NemeBro Senior Member

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I wouldn't say that. Dude sacrificed a lot just to prevent war.
He has no idea about Jiraiya's abilities though. We do. The gap isn't that big. Orochimaru knows Jiraiya's abilities and doesn't think Jiraiya could hold his own against him.
Pain was not going all out against him. In those circumstances Jiraiya would have won but if Pain was going no holds bar, Jiraiya would have not lasted as long.
Stronger physically. His genjutsu takes setup time and is not as spamable as Itachi's. Ninjutsu they're roughly the same I'd suppose.

1. He killed his entire family, it is doubtful all were wanting to stage a coup, and to be blunt, Konoha HAD mistreated the Uchiha. Morally gray, though more good than evil, I would say.

2. Jiraiya is legendary, I doubt he had no idea. But really, that just helps my point, the relative little Kisame DID know convinced him that Jiraiya was more than a match for them. Orochimaru is an arrogant prick, and Jiraiya has gotten stronger since before, something the manga clearly demonstrates, Jiraiya was once the weakest Sannin, and he himself still believed he was a loser. But when he died, he was undoubtedly the strongest Sannin, and one of the strongest ninja alive.

3. Pain did not go all out against him, in that he hid his abilities from him to get an advantage.

4. Much stronger physically. Probably faster too. His Genjutsu IIRC did not take that much set-up.

killermover Senior Member

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. Sasuke is powerful. Ever think that maybe, that is the reason why we think B to be badass, because he beat an opponent as strong as Sasuke? Also, lol, Sharingan, it can supress Tailed Beasts, but beats Sannin? Itachi beat a Sannin with it, but dared not fight Jiraiya, who he firmly believed would wreck his shit. And Itachi's feats are not Sasuke's.

No, Bee isn't badass, he's a new and simple. You just don't introduce a character to beat Sasuke to establish your importance and character. Sasuke is special, he's the standard which ninja like Naruto aspire to be, and in order to beat Sasuke, you have to possess similar talents and skills that are in equal or above calibur to Sasuke's own. Itachi was that person and quite frankly it was established before this other bonds of destiny crap itachi was unbeatable not only to Sasuke but to other ninjas as well.
Tis si simply called a plot retcon, Kishi decided to extend the plot thus killing all established balance in the shinobi pantheon to extent the story. Jiraya would have most definately have lost to Itachi at the time he and Itachi met. And finally, Sasuke is hyped to death more than any character, beating 1000 ninjas without a scratch ad taking down Orochimaru with just sharingan alone ala Itachi.
Sasuke at that moment was strong enough to solo even Most of Naruto's opponents before he got hit with the jump shark train.
2. What are you talking about now? I am not fluent in fangirl.
Sasuke's thing was to be the Blue of the manga, he was always ahead of Naruto in everything and it took time for Naruto to catch up and not only that his power was said to be rivaled by other Uchihas not other ninjas before bee came into the story. Even though Sasuke had won agsinst Itachi, Itachi proved the superior Uchiha in skills.
You know now that I think about it, the only reason Sasuke in part 1 sucked so badly in fights(Lee, Gaara, Oro), is because Kishimoto wanted to gimp Sasuke so other characters can look strong but still save face because Sasuke battles were interrupeted. But when plot came around, Sauske started proving his worth and beat the main freakin character his first try.
3. Lern2specify.
Just click the link.
4. I love how any black character with sunglasses is a clone of Wesley Snipes. He is similar to Naruto, undoubtedly, but has the good fortune to lack Naruto's incredibly shitty, lame moments. .
Not sure is serious.
5. Bawwww Sasuke is not getting enough spotlight. Plot tumor? B is relevant at the moment, but he is not dominating the manga, he had a flashback recently, sure, but it was not particularly long, and the focus is still undoubtedly on Naruto.
He's taking Sakura's and Kakashi's spot as a freakin plot relevant character. How is that not not dominating. We have all this kumo revelations, but nothing on Kirikagure or other shinobi nations.
6. I like Kisame. And Itachi is not particularly interesting, in my opinion anyway, though you are free to think that.
7. You're kind of arrogant, huh?
Whatever not important/
Only you did not specify, silly little boy.
You know I'm not a little boy dude. Stop being an jerk.

I will forgive you for making this misconception, for you could not have known why I have this theme at the moment.
Let me start by saying I hate Dante, really, really, hate Dante, and I ****ing despise Devil May Cry. I have this sig because I grinned with glee as I saw the new Dante, and the fanboy outrage at it. Feeding on their tears, growing stronger, I had this sig fashioned so that I may continue to mock them.
Whatever no important.
As for Shadow, Shadow was cool in Adventure 2. He had an acceptable amount of angst, and developed through it, getting over it, and becoming a selfless hero in the process. Then... He regressed back to his angst-over-Maria self and became a punk again. 😬
You do not know about Sonic games nowadays so shut up. FOr the record, Shadow's over his past, he's better for it. He's much better than Tails and Knuckles thats for sure.

You clearly do not understand how good writing works.

Humor me, are you a college major?

TheAuraAngel Hegemon

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. He killed his entire family, it is doubtful all were wanting to stage a coup, and to be blunt, Konoha HAD mistreated the Uchiha. Morally gray, though more good than evil, I would say.
2. Jiraiya is legendary, I doubt he had no idea. But really, that just helps my point, the relative little Kisame DID know convinced him that Jiraiya was more than a match for them. Orochimaru is an arrogant prick, and Jiraiya has gotten stronger since before, something the manga clearly demonstrates, Jiraiya was once the weakest Sannin, and he himself still believed he was a loser. But when he died, he was undoubtedly the strongest Sannin, and one of the strongest ninja alive.
3. Pain did not go all out against him, in that he hid his abilities from him to get an advantage.
4. Much stronger physically. Probably faster too. His Genjutsu IIRC did not take that much set-up.

Perhaps not. Still, pulled a Spock.

Pain had no idea about Sage Mode(the thing that gives Jiraiya his best strengths) and he was his student. So him knowing much but just being wowed by the title seems more likely imo.

That and his best abilities are more than a tad destructive.

It does.

killermover Senior Member

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel

The hell manga you been reading?
Except that there Hinata girl. Who will probably end up hitched to Sasuke. Really, I'd like to see an interaction between the two. Would be interesting.
Naruto was not as happy as Bee, who is perfectly fine with his best friend trying to kill him. Bee is awesome for several of the cool things he has done.
Kenpachi is not that cool. I don't really like Zoro that much either. Though I get him more than I get Kisame.
Because you don't like him. People have tried to argue that Naruto would be identical without Sasuke in it. Just because you don't like a character, that doesn't change their overall importance at all.

Lets nor start the pairng stuff, I've out grown that.

Naruto is happy, he's happy go lucky like any other shonen main character. Problem is, Naruto clones like Bee take things that make Naruto unique in his world. Bee is awesome for being Kisame's own personal hype fight. But his personality sucks. Talking in rhyme, makes no sense, black sterotype, and copies Naruto.

Kenpachi and Zoro > Kisame > Bee

Important in a badly executed way when considering for 12 years Naruto
s has been published, he has made more progress as a character than any other character not named Naruto or Sasuke.

Because he's black and new and yet he's able to develop more than Sakura and Kakashi.

Q99 Senior Member

Except Bee isn't a Naruto clone, he's a far more seasoned and ruthless ninja. Remember, he first stabbed Sasuke multiple times, then ripped a hole in his torso.

NemeBro Senior Member

Originally posted by killermover
No, Bee isn't badass, he's a new and simple. You just don't introduce a character to beat Sasuke to establish your importance and character. Sasuke is special, he's the standard which ninja like Naruto aspire to be, and in order to beat Sasuke, you have to possess similar talents and skills that are in equal or above calibur to Sasuke's own. Itachi was that person and quite frankly it was established before this other bonds of destiny crap itachi was unbeatable not only to Sasuke but to other ninjas as well.
Tis si simply called a plot retcon, Kishi decided to extend the plot thus killing all established balance in the shinobi pantheon to extent the story. Jiraya would have most definately have lost to Itachi at the time he and Itachi met. And finally, Sasuke is hyped to death more than any character, beating 1000 ninjas without a scratch ad taking down Orochimaru with just sharingan alone ala Itachi.
Sasuke at that moment was strong enough to solo even Most of Naruto's opponents before he got hit with the jump shark train.
Sasuke's thing was to be the Blue of the manga, he was always ahead of Naruto in everything and it took time for Naruto to catch up and not only that his power was said to be rivaled by other Uchihas not other ninjas before bee came into the story. Even though Sasuke had won agsinst Itachi, Itachi proved the superior Uchiha in skills.
You know now that I think about it, the only reason Sasuke in part 1 sucked so badly in fights(Lee, Gaara, Oro), is because Kishimoto wanted to gimp Sasuke so other characters can look strong but still save face because Sasuke battles were interrupeted. But when plot came around, Sauske started proving his worth and beat the main freakin character his first try.
Just click the link.
Not sure is serious.
He's taking Sakura's and Kakashi's spot as a freakin plot relevant character. How is that not not dominating. We have all this kumo revelations, but nothing on Kirikagure or other shinobi nations.
Whatever not important/
You know I'm not a little boy dude. Stop being an jerk.
Whatever no important.
You do not know about Sonic games nowadays so shut up. FOr the record, Shadow's over his past, he's better for it. He's much better than Tails and Knuckles thats for sure.
Humor me, are you a college major?

1. **** yeah Sasuke is SPECIAL, how ****ing DARE B have the AUDACITY to beat him!? Naruto has long since stopped wanting to "aspire" to be like Sasuke, yeah man, Naruto aspires to be a Missing-nin who betrayed his village for revenge. See, here is the thing, B may not actually be as talented as Sasuke. But he is older, and more experienced, and beyond that has full mastery of his Biju, something Naruto did not have, so why is him beating Sasuke getting you so butthurt? Itachi unbeatable? Only it was established very early on that Jiraiya was stronger. 🙂

Yeah man, I guess that is why Itachi said Jiraiya would beat both Itachi and Kisame at the same time. Also, it may be a plot retcon, but if it is... That really just means that Jiraiya was indeed always intended to be stronger than Itachi. 🙂 Sasuke is hyped more than any character huh? Owow no way 1,000 fodder ninja? As for beating Orochimaru, Sasuke himself outright states that were Orochimaru not weakened and ill, Sasuke would have lost. So no.

Who were Naruto's opponents before that part of the manga again? The strongest was Deidara, I think? Well since Sasuke beat Deidara, for once you would be right.

2. Naruto caught up at the end of the Chuunin exams. Even Sasuke thought so, hence why he joined Orochimaru for more power. Please stop, Naruto is largely over "catching up" to Sasuke, in terms of that being his main goal. And uh, no, since Jiraiya exists, your argument will always be wrong. You just want your boyfriend and his family to be the best of the best. They are not. Deal with it.

Lee beat his ass the first time they fought. Period. And Sasuke was actually beating Gaara before he went Shukaku form... Then Naruto beat him. 🙂 As for Orochimaru, are you implying that that was not an entirely justified stomp, or something? And uh, no, the first fight between them was stopped... Only we then see Naruto would have won their clash, which is why Sasuke left. 🙂 Naruto also held back at the end of their second fight. Face it, Sasuke has never been presented as completely and totally insurmountable, Haku also beat him.

3. Why would I click the link? I give not a single shit about Blue or the plot/writing of the Pokemon games.

4. I am. Naruto has had many lame moments that make him look like a douche, such as fainting over his boyfriend. B lacks those, which makes him more bearable as a character. B has similarities to Naruto, surely, but they are not copies, do not pretend they are.

5. Kakashi should probably get more screentime indeed, but... Really dude, Sakura has never been all "that" plot relevant. 😐 Which is more a failing on Kishi's part, but still. B is very plot relevant for the moment, but overall, Kakashi has still had more screentime. Dude could use some more though, undoubtedly. Needs to fight Sasuke.

6. I'm the jerk? You called me an idiot, yet I'm the jerk? O: I am apalled.

7. Yeah man, simply stating your opponent is wrong is debating. And no, he was not over it in Sonic Battle, which is canon, nor in Shadow the Hedgehog. Admittedly not played anything since then, but for the record, Sonic 2006 is officially noncanon. So you know.

8. No I am not.

Frankly, I don't give a shit if you are or not, your posts demonstrate far more than any "degree" could.

Your gripes with Kishimoto are entirely about you not liking him depicting Sasuke as fallible, rather than this uber ****ing amazing juggernaut you imagined him to be. Kishimoto is no literary genius, but that is not inherently a problem, not like you make it to be.

TheAuraAngel Hegemon

Originally posted by killermover
Lets nor start the pairng stuff, I've out grown that.
Naruto is happy, he's happy go lucky like any other shonen main character. Problem is, Naruto clones like Bee take things that make Naruto unique in his world. Bee is awesome for being Kisame's own personal hype fight. But his personality sucks. Talking in rhyme, makes no sense, black sterotype, and copies Naruto.
Kenpachi and Zoro > Kisame > Bee
Important in a badly executed way when considering for 12 years Naruto
s has been published, he has made more progress as a character than any other character not named Naruto or Sasuke.
Because he's black and new and yet he's able to develop more than Sakura and Kakashi.

???

He isn't though. Emo past, friend issues, etc. Bee makes no sense? Explain. More to his stereotype than meets the eye. Copies Naruto? In what way is a character being somewhat similar to another being copying?

Not really.

Kisame? What?

He is not as developed as either imo. So that's just you.

killermover Senior Member

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. **** yeah Sasuke is SPECIAL, how ****ing DARE B have the AUDACITY to beat him!? Naruto has long since stopped wanting to "aspire" to be like Sasuke, yeah man, Naruto aspires to be a Missing-nin who betrayed his village for revenge. See, here is the thing, B may not actually be as talented as Sasuke. But he is older, and more experienced, and beyond that has full mastery of his Biju, something Naruto did not have, so why is him beating Sasuke getting you so butthurt? Itachi unbeatable? Only it was established very early on that Jiraiya was stronger. 🙂

Sasuke IMO isn't meant to be publically casual like Naruto and Sakura is in terms of a fight. He's supposed to be rare to a few plot relevant character that actually contribute something to his character as far as moving the story goes. I admit Deidara was random as well, Bee is even more random. He did nothing for Sasuke, but just unlock Amaterasu and give him a new chest. That makes Sasuke so cheap to me, Sasuke is not like most characters certainly not like any of the rookies, Sasuke is like this advance kid prodigy who studies calculus at the college level with older adults, he's above his peers and is a once in a lifetime genius like Oro said he was. Bee beating him just contridicts what Sasuke is supposed to achieve in terms of what Sasuke is supposed to be, and while he's more experienced and older doesn't give him the right to best Sasuke on his first try, Itachi and Minato proved this, as young ninjas they killed older and experienced ninjas like it was nothing.
Whats the point of having genius ninjas if they are able to be casually be defeated by no name nobies like Bee.
It just confirms to me that Kishi doesn't really care about Sasuke at this point, only how much money he's making. Heck I don't even think he cares about his own story. He just wants to sell the manga more overseas.
Finally Itachi was the strongest on a virtue he has beaten Orochimaru, a ninja who stronger than Jiraya.
Yeah man, I guess that is why Itachi said Jiraiya would beat both Itachi and Kisame at the same time. Also, it may be a plot retcon, but if it is... That really just means that Jiraiya was indeed always intended to be stronger than Itachi. 🙂 Sasuke is hyped more than any character huh? Owow no way 1,000 fodder ninja? As for beating Orochimaru, Sasuke himself outright states that were Orochimaru not weakened and ill, Sasuke would have lost. So no.
No you take character opinions literally, we literally have the stats to prove Itachi's power over Jiraya. And Sasuke never admited he would have lost if Oro was ill, he simply said Oro was weak and he beat him at that time, he never confirmed he was weaker than Oro at full health specifically.
Who were Naruto's opponents before that part of the manga again? The strongest was Deidara, I think? Well since Sasuke beat Deidara, for once you would be right.
Haku, Neji, Gaara which Sauske would beat easily now.
2. Naruto caught up at the end of the Chuunin exams. Even Sasuke thought so, hence why he joined Orochimaru for more power. Please stop, Naruto is largely over "catching up" to Sasuke, in terms of that being his main goal. And uh, no, since Jiraiya exists, your argument will always be wrong. You just want your boyfriend and his family to be the best of the best. They are not. Deal with it.
Too bad Naruto himself thinks oterwise, he thinks he has to catch up with Sasuke more than the other way around. Hell he has to catch up with Sauske by taming the kyuubi fully and mastering all his powers. And no my boyfriend is not my boyfriend, but he's hella more crapped on more than any shonen rival I know.
Lee beat his ass the first time they fought.
Interuppted, now Sasuke could beat Lee with his sharingan not on.
Period.
In your dreams.
And Sasuke was actually beating Gaara before he went Shukaku form... Then Naruto beat him. 🙂 As for Orochimaru, are you implying that that was not an entirely justified stomp, or something?
That was an skirmish ot a fight, Oro wanted to test Sasuke, so it was interrupted on a count of Oro leaving.
And uh, no, the first fight between them was stopped... Only we then see Naruto would have won their clash, which is why Sasuke left. 🙂 Naruto also held back at the end of their second fight. Face it, Sasuke has never been presented as completely and totally insurmountable, Haku also beat him.
Naruto did not hold back his power, he threated to break Sasuke's legs and databook said they were both fighting with all they had. Sasuke however won and beat Naruto by dodging his last minute kyuube rasengan. Stop hating hater, the point of Sasuke is to make Naruto feel extremely inferior skill wise as he is a genius and Naruto's a scrapper.
3. Why would I click the link? I give not a single shit about Blue or the plot/writing of the Pokemon games.
Blue has never been defeated except by Red. Thats why he's pokemon champion in the first game.
4. I am. Naruto has had many lame moments that make him look like a douche, such as fainting over his boyfriend. B lacks those, which makes him more bearable as a character. B has similarities to Naruto, surely, but they are not copies, do not pretend they are.
Bee is side character who is by virtue a wallking one note sterotype of a rapper and blacks. Of course he doesn't have significant layers of character like Naruto. Bee is lame because he does nothing but rap and act like a freakin idiot.
5. Kakashi should probably get more screentime indeed, but... Really dude, Sakura has never been all "that" plot relevant. 😐 Which is more a failing on Kishi's part, but still. B is very plot relevant for the moment, but overall, Kakashi has still had more screentime. Dude could use some more though, undoubtedly. Needs to fight Sasuke.
Never mind, you just said Bee is more important than Kakashi and Sakura. 🤣
6. I'm the jerk? You called me an idiot, yet I'm the jerk? O: I am apalled.
And you called me a kid, how dare you!
7. Yeah man, simply stating your opponent is wrong is debating. And no, he was not over it in Sonic Battle, which is canon, nor in Shadow the Hedgehog. Admittedly not played anything since then, but for the record, Sonic 2006 is officially noncanon. So you know.
Sonic Battle wasn't canon either, Shadow was a spin off and Shadow stop pining for Maria as the last cutscene in the game, in 06 he's a goverment agent and he's actually trying to contribute to the plot instead of holding it to his own.

8. No I am not.
Frankly, I don't give a shit if you are or not, your posts demonstrate far more than any "degree" could.
Your gripes with Kishimoto are entirely about you not liking him depicting Sasuke as fallible, rather than this uber ****ing amazing juggernaut you imagined him to be. Kishimoto is no literary genius, but that is not inherently a problem, not like you make it to be.

No, and stop being judgemental, you haven't made any cohesive arguement that I haven't already refuted.

Kishimoto depicts his characters wrong based on poor execute and rushed story lining. He quickly gets to the point when a character like say Hinata needs closure and completely ignores the context of the character he wrote for another. Bee is one of those character he seems to enjoy writing because he probably got sick of Sasuke emo tude and the man is currently Kishi's new obsession rivaling Minato and Shikamaru.

But if you ask me, it's the money he wants than the vadility and equality of the cast and world he's created.

TheAuraAngel Hegemon

Originally posted by killermover
Bee beating him just contridicts what Sasuke is supposed to achieve in terms of what Sasuke is supposed to be, and while he's more experienced and older doesn't give him the right to best Sasuke on his first try, Itachi and Minato proved this, as young ninjas they killed older and experienced ninjas like it was nothing.
Whats the point of having genius ninjas if they are able to be casually be defeated by no name nobies like Bee.

When Bee was little he was also killing more experienced ninjas like it was nothing. Hell, he was probably younger than Sasuke. So he is certainly not a nobody and he is definitely a genius shinobi. Whether he is as good as Minato and Itachi, I dunno.

Sasuke has been beaten plenty of times though so I don't know why Bee beating him is the thing that annoys you most. The manga even gives Sasuke the valid excuse of him being tired from his battle with Itachi so it's not like that was Sasuke at his best(at the time his best would still have lost).

Demonic Phoenix Senior Member

Originally posted by killermover
NO, I'm mad because Bee kicking Sasuke's ass makes no freakin sense. It makes NO sense. Sasuke just got the MS and he loses when he gets it to a busta arse fool who looks like Blade.

That fight took place right after Sasuke had just gotten his ass kicked by his big brother. He also lost all his Snake and Cursed Seal techs. All he got in return was a Mangekyou Sharingan with one powerful technique that was later rendered moot against Bee.
So, it makes a lot of sense that Sasuke. It makes even more sense when you consider the fact that right after Sasuke got Amaterasu, he nearly pwned the Hachibi's ass.

Originally posted by killermover
Not even going to reply to this post, because it reeks of ignorance. Like I said, I don't care about how Bee is useful, I only care about how the main characters look agains the other opponents. Sasuke specifically is meant to be stronger and more sucessful than most of the cast because he's the main rival.

" Sasuke specifically is meant to be stronger and more sucessful than most of the cast because he's the main rival". You've hit the nail on the head. Sasuke isn't the strongest person in the series, and he isn't meant to be, not by a long shot. He's still stronger than like 95% of the ninja we've seen though. So really, you have no case.

Darth Angel Senior Member

Sasuke's fanboysm is strong in here.

Let's face it, both Sasuke and Deidara were low Kage level fighters, while B is mid to high kage level character (I would say mid because IMO high Kage level should be left to a very restrict amount of people).

And so Sasuke had his ass beat by B. So, what's the problem? And the only reason he survived the kage summit was due to Mangenkyo technique's spamming, which made him go blind. Good thing his brother died for him right? So much for Sasuke's power...

Anyway, Sasuke's character was ripped to pieces by his bersek behavior with no viable reason for it. And now it comes the Eternal Mangekyo. Oh God...

TheAuraAngel Hegemon

I will fully admit to liking Sasuke's character. I do not think he should be completely unbeatable. Makes for an uninteresting character.

High Kage? Bee is stronger than the Kage seen so far, except perhaps Onoki/Muu. And Hashirama but that goes without saying. Possibly Yagura but that might be pushing it.

Actually the only reason he survived the Summit was Madara. However, no one could actually survive the Summit by themselves so that really isn't something that discredits Sasuke. He did manage to burn off A's arm and kill Danzo, so he accomplished some things.