hes getting there. he is basically sasuke + urochimaur + itachi all in one now.
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Having lots of jutsu that strong people had doesn't make Sasuke close to being the strongest or even getting close to it. Plus we don't even know if Sasuke can use anything but Amaterasu from Itachi or even if he can use that willingly. Also I doubt Orochimaru taught Sasuke everything he knew. There really wasn't a point if he was going to take over Sasuke's body anyway.
Take Orochimaru for example. He learned plenty of high level, and forbidden jutsu but he wasn't the strongest. Sure he was powerful yes but he wasn't powerful simply because he had the jutsu.
I didn't say it. And Sasuke still doesn't have the Mangekyou so they really can't have surpassed Itachi. Not to mention Sasuke was nearly beaten by a weakened Itachi.
Sasuke is powerful but he's not even close to being the strongest or the second strongest. Naruto is closer to the top than Sasuke in power if you use 4-tailed Naruto compared to CS2 Sasuke. Naruto can get more powerful also with more tails though it would probably nearly kill him to do it. The only reason Sasuke's beaten the powerful people he has is because of luck.
sasuke is good because of determination and lineage, not luck.
any uchiha can be uber as long as they train their ass off as sasuke did with orochimaru, and after all he did have a goal in mind, taking out an S class ninja. it's not sasuke's fault that the people he beats give him their power's some way or another.
it isnt pis and it isnt luck. sasuke's fights are usually the most well planned and strategic{other than maybe shikamaur's at times} and definately depndant on SKILL than almost any other in shippuden. 4 tails cudnt defeat a WEAKENED urochimaru. and urichimaru said that he didnt have any more time to play with naruto. the itachi who was apparently weakened still destroyed urochimaru as he came out of sasuke's body. we dont really have any way of comparing sasuke to tobi or pain or jiraya, and those are the only ones perhaps who CUD be stronger than him. and itachi left sasuke ALL his jutsu. not just amaterasu.
Um yea it is PIS or luck or whatever you want to call it. Orochimaru was on his deathbed and weakened, and the only reason he lost was because he tried to take over Sasuke's body cause he really had no choice because he needed a body. Naruto only couldn't beat Orochimaru because Orochimaru slithered away and was able to regen.
Weakened Itachi only beat Orochimaru because Orochimaru didn't fear a sword stabbing him. He can regenerate plus he was going to take over Sasuke's body. The fact it was a sealing sword is why Itachi won.
Deidara wasn't planned out..and him escaping was PIS.
His fight with Itachi...circumstances. Itachi was weakened already before the fight, Itachi still could have killed Sasuke at the end of the fight if he hadn't been so weakened, and Itachi wanted to make Sasuke stronger, and Madara unable to get him. So yea again Luck.
Madara also said Amaterasu triggers when Sasuke sees his sharingan. So there is no way of knowing if Sasuke can even use the jutsu willingly or if he can even use the Mangekyou willingly.
no, when uro left, he said i cant PLAY with you any longer. uro didnt evenm use his underwolrd summon jutsu, or summon manda to fight for him, also remember that pain said that all the sannin had special powers like jiraya's sennin mode and uro hadnt shown it yet.
. as for sasuke, yes uro was weakened, but also, your taking away way too much credit from sasuke, the same thing happened to uro as when he tried to take over itachi's body{i.e. those soul swords appeared out of sasuke's body in the other dimension}.
deidara was losing to him at every strategy and sasuke had ALWAYS said that he had other aces up his sleave and he used manda. also, he TOOK the entire initial brunt of the explosion before entering manda, and was only teleported away much LATER, after suigetsu SAW the entire explosion. sasuke won in any way and he hadnt even used kirin.
as for itachi, sasuke defeated tsukiyomi {which neither kakashi nor diedara or orochimaru cud beat. not to mention naruto} and survived amaterasu. itachi wud have died were it not for susano. and in the end, madara said that itachi left sasuke ALL his jutsuS.
Orochimaru wasn't exactly going easy on Naruto though and he only said he had to stop because his body was failing him. He even admits if he was hit by Naruto's attack he would be killed. He even tried to use his Sword of Kusanagi which failed. Yes, Orochimaru was weaker than normal when he fought Naruto also but not as weak as when Sasuke beat him. Sasuke could have also been killed by Orochimaru while he was paralyzed but Orochimaru wanted his body.
Also Sasuke was already inside Manda when the blast hit. He said right before he flew they recieved the hit. Manda protected him from most of the attack. Sasuke also only won because of Lightning beating Earth. Even then he still had a hard time winning. Sasuke also didn't survive Amaterasu...He dodged it. Big difference. Tsukiyomi being beat was PIS, and you're forgetting the fact that Itachi didn't want to kill Sasuke at all during that fight while Sasuke was trying to kill him. That also makes a big difference. Not to mention being weakened also has a lot to do with it. Beating somebody stronger than you when they aren't really out to kill you and have been weakened doesn't make you in their league.
Deidara was the only person trying to kill him in their fight and the only one he's got win over that can be argued to actually be his without some kinda of special circumstance besides Sasuke's element completely stopping anything Deidara could do for the most part. Orochimaru wanted his body so he wasn't going to kill him, and Itachi wouldn't ever kill him anyway.
Both Naruto and Sasuke's victories over people usually end up being PIS more often than not though Naruto's PIS comes from him having a demon to give him more power while Sasuke's usually comes from the circumstances of the fight.
Originally posted by Blax_HydraliskWell to be fair...Orochimaru has his regen ability and defensive jutsu while Jiraiya really has nothing of the sort. I'm still wondering how Jiraiya stopped him though.
So does that mean Oro >>>>> Jiraiya by leaps and bounds?Four tails almost killed J-Man, yet Oro was "playing" with it?
That doesn't really add up.
oro did get his ass kicked, but he can regen like a mofo. plus he had to summon a triple rashamon and thats something kabuto has never witnessed.
but......oro was in a weakened state and wasn't able to perform ninjutsu alone.
jiraiya even stated that he failed at stopping orochimaru so...they are peers in strength at least, but i'm betting orochimaru is superior. even akatsuki respects him full abilities.
Jiraiya said he stopped him from leaving..You can't change a persons mind by being stronger than them. Plus there was the whole Jiraiya thinking of them as friends so he wouldn't go all out on him. I personally think Jiraiya is more powerful while Orochimaru is the smarter one with the stronger jutsu which makes them about even. Mostly just like I think of Naruto and Sasuke.
Orochimaru was able to preform jutsu alone against 4-tail. He fought Naruto alone and even summoned the walls himself.
Because he isn't more skilled than Itachi, and nothing has shown him to be. Even more so how the heck is he more skilled than Itachi in the use of the sharingan? Not to mention you're still forgetting Itachi wasn't trying to kill him so him breaking out of it can't really count if Itachi didn't want it to harm him anyway but just trying to make it seem as if he was.
And I hate Itachi just as much so wrong. And um...Are you missing the part where I say most of Naruto's wins are PIS also?
his shaaringan has grown a LOT over the timeskip. he neutralised sai's assasination jutsu simply by glaring and even scared the shit out of sai. he was able to repel urochimaru from taking over his body the exact same way that ITACHI DID. and in turn took over URO'S body. obviously, the fact that his hatred led him to develop hi ssharingan to the point where he completely countered itachi's genjutsu and even tsukiyomi is obviously reason enough to beleive that his normal sharingan has surpassed itachi's. we dont know what itachi was trying to do, he DID rush at him liek a maniac and used tsukiyomi and even AMATERASU against him, if he hadnt avoided it, he might have been dead. lets not forget that the only reason he stopped susano was because the strain killed him. and itachi wud have died if it werent for susano, killin is one of THE most powerful attacks seen in the entire series. and sasuke DID take the major brunt of the initial attack before he went into manda's mouth{whom he also controlled with genjutsu which is pretty big feat} that is why he was so busted up. it was MUCH later that suigetsu summoned him.
naruto and sasuke fight wasnt PIS. nor was naruto beating shukaku gaara. naruto masterig raasenga and wind element isnt pis.
Yea suddenly Itachi is going to try and kill his brother even though he's made no effort to at all ever, and has been protecting him for the most part and trying to make him stronger. Not to mention Itachi was still weakened. A bloodlusted, full powered Itachi could have ended the fight before Sasuke even used Kirin. Holding back, and being weakened and he still pushed Sasuke to his limit, and had him almost dead.
If Orochimaru had wanted to kill Sasuke he would have. If Oro hadn't tried to take over his body he would never have won.
Manda took most of the explosion. Sasuke took what Manda couldn't protect him from. That's why Manda died and Sasuke lived. Manda took it all while Sasuke took a portion of what Manda took. And Suigetsu summoned them right after not much later.
What does learning Rasengan or the Wind Element have to do with PIS in fights? He learned them because he's to dumb and stubborn to give up. That's why I like Naruto. His determination to do everything along with his happy-go-lucky attitude.
Haku fight won by PIS in form of Kyuubi emerging. I still think the way he beat Neji was PIS. Not beating him just the way he beat him. Neji with his Byakugan should have been able to see him. Gaara fight had the most PIS. Gaara didn't have his sand defense. And Gaara was able to stand after the fight was over, Naruto wasn't. Naruto would never have even touched a Gaara who has his sand defense going. Then there is Naruto without Kyuubi power doing better than Cursed Seal Sasuke against Shukaku Gaara when Sasuke should be the stronger one with cursed seal on. Sasuke vs Naruto fight...cool fight but Sasuke winning was PIS. Not to mention again Sasuke was fighting an opponent he was trying to kill while his opponent wasn't trying to kill him.