The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Couldn't Orochimaru had done that when he first discovered Edo Tensei?

He'd been doing bad things long before he found out about Edo Tensei.

He killed a man that was ruthless father.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Nah...according to Naruto Sasuke was kidnapped.

I have another onefor Minato....his reason for using Shiki Fuujin above all else was because his wife was dying

Oh....and for Sasuke, he got rid of 3 S class missing nin during his Hebi days.

Nah, best one for Minato is that he casually kills other people.

Hmm, I wouldn't say Hebi Sasuke counts in this particular lulzy discussion.
But as for Taka Sasuke, he subdued a Bijuu that wantonly destroyed a valley, and merely killed non-ninjas in a ninja world.

~ Zabuza helped save an orphan.
~ Gaara was murdering others out of love.
~ Akatsuki was capturing beasts that destroy villages and stuff.
~ Nagato took dead bodies off the streets, and destroyed a village that was protecting the worst of the 9 Bijuu.
~ Kabuto is against Madara.

I think those are the only other major antagonists we've had in Naruto, apart from the ones that have already been mentioned.

Kabuto's not only against Madara but the rogue criminal Sasuke (even before he joined up with Madara).

And he subdued Yamato, a clone of Hashirama made by Orochimaru.

Also, Aura & Neph: http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/551/2

Hmm, I think that that page may have it right on what Naruto was trying to say.

You know prior to joining up with Madara Sasuke didn't do anything that was actually...bad. Aside from being a missing nin of course

Sure he subdued Yamato but if Naruto can forgive him for piercing his lung then if sure Yamato can forgive Sasuke for kicking his ass.

True, but he was going to kill them before Orochimaru stopped him.

That's another argument for Orochimaru. If he hadn't stopped Sasuke, the main good character would be dead.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
3000 Years of Pain >>> Double Lariat. Believe it.

Thank you pretty valid excuse to ignore you forever.

Double Lariat is better than that technique. 😮

Sasuke would be killing the Kyuubi too. Plus it's not his fault that they showed up to rescue him.

3000 years of Death? 😕

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Thank you pretty valid excuse to ignore you forever.

Double Lariat is better than that technique. 😮

You don't mean that. 🙁

Not anymore. A at his strongest, is demonstrably weaker than Base Bee and he lacks one arm, so Bee cannot possibly lower his strength to match A's.
Plus 3000 > 2. This is fact.
vin

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Sasuke would be killing the Kyuubi too. Plus it's not his fault that they showed up to rescue him.

3000 years of Death? 😕

Pain actually.

SoY Guy's just too bawss here: http://mangastream.com/read/rock_lee/76448590/10

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
You don't mean that. 🙁

Not anymore. A at his strongest, is demonstrably weaker than Base Bee and he lacks one arm, so Bee cannot possibly lower his strength to match A's.
Plus 3000 > 2. This is fact.
vin

No...I don't. ^_^

Quality>Quantity. 😮

Double Lariat is awesome because of how over the top it is.

To go back to the topic of our heroes being villains and the villains being heroes, what is the moment when Sasuke crosses into villain territory, killing Karin, is actually very justified. Karin wasn't a very noble person and has on more than one occasion seemed like she wanted to rape Sasuke. So I don't feel bad for her.

She also saved his life multiple times, was quite helpful in that fight, and followed his orders.

I still wouldn't want to hang out with a potential rapist. I figured that was part of the reason he left Konoha.

I'm still annoyed at how she did nothing to help herself against Danzo.

Yeah, because that was why we wanted to kill her. Cuz of the rape. 🙄

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel

I'm still annoyed at how she did nothing to help herself against Danzo.

Her offensive capabilities seem to be limited to chunin-level taijutsu.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah, because that was why we wanted to kill her. Cuz of the rape. 🙄

Nah. He didn't want to kill her, just Danzo. But considering she was in the way and a potential rapist, can't say it was very villainous.

Originally posted by Q99
Her offensive capabilities seem to be limited to chunin-level taijutsu.

Still, all Danzo did was get her in a choke hold. He couldn't have been in top condition, what with him missing an arm and being stabbed in the chest. Could have tried something at least.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
No...I don't. ^_^

Quality>Quantity. 😮

Double Lariat is awesome because of how over the top it is.

glomp

Not this time.

3000 Years of Pain is way more over the top when compared to Double Lariat. Heck, the regular version is more over the top.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
To go back to the topic of our heroes being villains and the villains being heroes, what is the moment when Sasuke crosses into villain territory, killing Karin, is actually very justified. Karin wasn't a very noble person and has on more than one occasion seemed like she wanted to rape Sasuke. So I don't feel bad for her.

Yeah, but he did not try to kill her because she was a rapist. He stabbed and later tried to kill her simply because she allowed herself to be captured, justifying it by saying that she was useless to him.

In addition, he taunted her at what was to be her last moment. That's just ridiculously cruel given the context.

Now of course, we all know that everyone that comes into contact with Sasuke for more than a few minutes, will automatically want to shag him. He won't give them the chance, so they'll have to settle for attempting to rape him. vin

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I still wouldn't want to hang out with a potential rapist. I figured that was part of the reason he left Konoha.

I'm still annoyed at how she did nothing to help herself against Danzo.

That was something that never really seemed to bother him. He justified his actions by calling her a useless asset, despite the fact that without her help and healing capabilities, he wouldn't be where he was.

That was stupid really. She could have bitten his arm and gotten out of the way. But on the flip-side, Sasuke told her not to move, and could have aimed for his head.

I'd like to think that Sasuke suspected treachery from Sakura, but really, he likely tried to kill her (the first time) because he just hated everyone from Konoha.

Originally posted by Q99
Her offensive capabilities seem to be limited to chunin-level taijutsu.

She's fairly strong. She's kicked down a door before. And there was a time when she was keeping the Northern Hideout under control by herself.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
glomp

Not this time.

3000 Years of Pain is way more over the top when compared to Double Lariat. Heck, the regular version is more over the top.

*snippet*

I would probably like the image a lot more if it was a frontal glomp instead of what looks to be surprise butt-secks.

Yes.

3000 years of Pain is just weird. Double Lariat is just awesome. Difference.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I would probably like the image a lot more if it was a frontal glomp instead of what looks to be surprise butt-secks.

Yes.

3000 years of Pain is just weird. Double Lariat is just awesome. Difference.

*snippet*

It's just a smilie, douche.
Besides, a frontal glomp would make it look like it was a suprise BJ or something. >__>

In most cases, yes. In this case, no.

3000 years of Pain is so weird/over the top, that it's ossum. Even Neji wanted to try it out, but his Sharingan contacts gave him dry eye. awesome

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
3000 years of Pain is just weird. Double Lariat is just awesome. Difference.

However, I find the humor aspect of 1000 Years of Pain to greatly outweigh the boyish coolness of a double Lariat.

Meaning:

Overall scores:

1000 YoP: 8
DL: 7

The "summon giant ass toad to crush the whole playing field" move is much cooler than both of them and is a move I'd rate as an 8 as well.

There's no way that something so "small" as the DL could compare to the giant ass toad summon. Both are insta wins...but one of the literally just defeats everyone at the drop of a hat....or giant toad.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Touché.

However, I find the humor aspect of 1000 Years of Pain to greatly outweigh the boyish coolness of a double Lariat.

Meaning:

Overall scores:

1000 YoP: 8
DL: 7

The "summon giant ass toad to crush the whole playing field" move is much cooler than both of them and is a move I'd rate as an 8 as well.

There's no way that something so "small" as the DL could compare to the giant ass toad summon. Both are insta wins...but one of the literally just defeats everyone at the drop of a hat....or giant toad.

In terms of flat-out kewlness combined with effectiveness/power, nothing in the series comes close to the awesomeness of Minato's usage of FTG or Sasuke's Kirin.
Not DL, not 3000 YoP, & also not Food Cart Destroyer (Giant Toad summoned on top of something). Those two are easily 11 on your scale of 1-10. 313

Double Lariat's hardly viable anymore. I mean, Bee is so freaking overpowered now, that in base mode, he can beat a V2 Shroud A in a Lariat contest. Bee would have to lower his power considerably, and A would have to be at his most powerful, to have the maneuver even work.

Plus this was 3000 YoP we were discussing, used by Kakashi, who is just bawss, Gai who is bawss enough to use his Nice Guy smile while flashing, & Lee.