Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
[QUOTE=13637206]Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
[B]Any who, all of that business aside, that ranking stuff. I haven't given my opinion on it.-snip-
Agree with mostly everything you said, except for Utakata of course. 😛
Bubble blower falls under tool usage which is tied directly to the user's strength.
While I may be letting my bias get in the way when I say he should be S+, I'm not doing so when I say he's above Roshi, who despite being a high end S with great Nintaijutsu prowess, lacks the same kind of destructive potential & efficiency. Utakata's acid is more powerful than Mei's acid, but not as versatile.
Also, Han's Biju is damn strong if it can toss something like the Hachibi so easily. Which is why I think that Kishi really needs to give us a Bijuu vs. Bijuu fight. Would be so freaking epic.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
he has to touch whomever he wants to warp first, and with his right hand it seemsjust count tails. every character there sprouted all of their tails but only han morphed into his true bijuu
Ahh okay
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v51/c475/11.html
He warps Fuu without touching him. Personally, I think he warped Torune without touching him as well, since I do not believe Tobi to be much of an idiot, as he's not the kind of person to touch someone who can transfer destructive nano-bugs with a touch. [/B][/QUOTE]
Dammit, bottom-of-the-page'd myself.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Ahh okayHe warps Fuu without touching him. Personally, I think he warped Torune without touching him as well, since I do not believe Tobi to be much of an idiot, as he's not the kind of person to touch someone who can transfer destructive nano-bugs with a touch.
nah, he touched him first
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v51/c475/3.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v51/c475/11.html though i think it's his right arm that is required and he does punch fuu with it after he solidifies (even in the anime there is a clear sound that fuu was stricken)
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v51/c475/4.html
he did touch torune, and he is that guy cause he's also the guy who can just jettison an infected arm without any real discomfort
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v51/c475/10.html (touches him in the second panel)
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Agree with mostly everything you said, except for Utakata of course. 😛Bubble blower falls under tool usage which is tied directly to the user's strength.
While I may be letting my bias get in the way when I say he should be S+, I'm not doing so when I say he's above Roshi, who despite being a high end S with great Nintaijutsu prowess, lacks the same kind of destructive potential & efficiency. Utakata's acid is more powerful than Mei's acid, but not as versatile.Also, Han's Biju is damn strong if it can toss something like the Hachibi so easily. Which is why I think that Kishi really needs to give us a Bijuu vs. Bijuu fight. Would be so freaking epic.
I know but I don't much care for item users. Particularly when the item in question is very odd to use in battle. Puppet users get a pass because they fight in cover anyway with long distance weapons. 😛
I personally don't see it. We don't see the destruction caused by his SSR attack but it couldn't have been weak. And he has taijutsu showings whereas Utakata does not. Actually, him and Yagura have hardly any showings compared to the others. Maybe Kishi is saving their best skills for later? And his acid is not as impressive as Flower Fruit Mountain in my humble opinion. Comparing the size of both anyway.
Indeed. Han and his Bijuu are certainly the power house of this group.
Which makes me want to make a five bad band now.
Tobi would be the Big Bad.
Yagura is the Dragon for being the closest to him, since he did control him during life.
Utakata would be the Evil Genius if I had to pick one, based on his fighting style anyway.
Han and Roshi are both the Brute.
Fu and Yugito are both Dark Chicks.
Sweet.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
nah, he touched him first
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v51/c475/3.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v51/c475/11.html though i think it's his right arm that is required and he does punch fuu with it after he solidifies (even in the anime there is a clear sound that fuu was stricken)http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v51/c475/4.html
he did touch torune, and he is that guy cause he's also the guy who can just jettison an infected arm without any real discomfort
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v51/c475/10.html (touches him in the second panel)
Fair enough, can't really tell whether Tobi was stupid enough to touch Torune, or Torune just infected his right arm as he was being sucked in.
Sorry, don't see Tobi's right arm touching Fuu at all in any of those scans. Fuu dodged Tobi's thrown right arm. It never hit. It was a misdirection.
I do see his left arm touching Fuu. But if he cannot warp a person unless he has touched them at some point in time, it would be kind of stupid and unexplained.
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-467/page008.html
I don't see Tobi touching Karin.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I know but I don't much care for item users. Particularly when the item in question is very odd to use in battle. Puppet users get a pass because they fight in cover anyway with long distance weapons. 😛I personally don't see it. We don't see the destruction caused by his SSR attack but it couldn't have been weak. And he has taijutsu showings whereas Utakata does not. Actually, him and Yagura have hardly any showings compared to the others. Maybe Kishi is saving their best skills for later? And his acid is not as impressive as Flower Fruit Mountain in my humble opinion. Comparing the size of both anyway.
Indeed. Han and his Bijuu are certainly the power house of this group.
Which makes me want to make a five bad band now.
Tobi would be the Big Bad.
Yagura is the Dragon for being the closest to him, since he did control him during life.
Utakata would be the Evil Genius if I had to pick one, based on his fighting style anyway.
Han and Roshi are both the Brute.
Fu and Yugito are both Dark Chicks.Sweet.
Nah, you just give puppet users a pass since Chiyo is a puppet user. 😛
Eh, doubt his SSR attack was one of his more destructive ones. It's powerful no doubt, and hard to dodge, but doesn't strike as better than his Lava Armor.
To be fair, his only Taijutsu showing is his Lava Armor, which would make anyone think twice about engaging him in Taijutsu. Ergo, double-edged sword against anyone but a Taijutsu specialist. 😛 Besides, his Lava Armor was used when his tail was out, whereas one of Utakata's bubbles was devastating in base mode.
That Alkaline certainly isn't as impressive as Flower Fruit Mountain but it has the defensive perk of the Lava Armor i.e. makes one think twice about getting in close. And he's a slug, so he'll have a degree of invulnerability thanks to his malleability.
So even with his lack of feats, I'd still pick Utakata over Roshi and any other revived Jinchuurikii, with the exception of Yagura. Sorreh. 😛
That's a 5 man band with 7 people. 😛
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenixthere is an onomatopoeia there and it's audible in the anime http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-tQrOJQ3Pjs#t=87s (note* the uploader mirrored the scene to avoid copyright issues)
Sorry, don't see Tobi's right arm touching Fuu at all in any of those scans.http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-467/page008.html
I don't see Tobi touching Karin.
hmm, maybe he touched her off-panel 😖hifty:
http://ryoshosan.tripod.com/id26.html
I remember reading this way back in the day when the Bijuu hadn't been revealed. How do the speculated Bijuu hold up to what we got?
You can see why 5 tails was my favorite.
Originally posted by psycho gundamDude, that sfx is the same one as the sfx that is used when the kunai goes through Tobi's head. His right arm was already phased through Fu's head so if he made it tangible, Fu'd be dead.
there is an onomatopoeia there and it's audible in the anime http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-tQrOJQ3Pjs#t=87s (note* the uploader mirrored the scene to avoid copyright issues)hmm, maybe he touched her off-panel 😖hifty:
Also, I've always wondered, does mirroring the scene really get through the copyright issues? 😐
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Also, I've always wondered, does mirroring the scene really get through the copyright issues? 😐
Sort of. If you alter it in an artistic way, it is protected by fair use. This is how people get by with "fansubs". They absolutely cannot charge for their fansubs. Since it is changed from the original and they do it for fun but do not charge for it, it gets by as a "fair use".
Mirroring the show could also be seen as artistic IF they do not charge for it.
It is gray and not definitive either way.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
http://ryoshosan.tripod.com/id26.htmlI remember reading this way back in the day when the Bijuu hadn't been revealed. How do the speculated Bijuu hold up to what we got?
You can see why 5 tails was my favorite.
Those weren't bad, but I do like the ones we got. With the Dolphin-Horse being the one I'm iffiest about.
Stats:
SS
Madara Uchiha (Rinnegan + Wood)^
Tobi (Jinchuuriki Paths)^
SS-
Kyuubi (Full power)
Nagato (Pain or Solo)
S+
Itachi Uchiha
Izuna Uchiha
Hachibi
Hashirama^
Killerbee
Madara Uchiha (EMS only)^
Minato Namikaze
Mito Uzumaki
Muu
Naruto Uzumaki (Kyuubi chakra mode)
Onoki
Sasuke Uchiha (Complete Susano'o)
Second Mizukage
Third Raikage
Tobi (Sharingan only)^
Yagura
S
A (Raikage)
Danzo (with implant jutsu)
Deidara
Deva Path (Yahiko/Pain)
Fu (Jinchuuriki)
Gaara (Kage)
Jiraiya
Han (Jinchuuriki)
Kakashi Hatake (Mastered Kamui)
Kakuzu
Kisame Hoshigaki (with Samehada)
Konan*
Kushina Uzumaki
Mei Terumi
Naruto Uzumaki (Sage Mode)*
Orochimaru*
Roshi
Sandaime Kazekage (3rd)
Sasori
Sasuke Uchiha (Orochimaru merge/mangekyo w/incomplete susano'o)
Shukaku
Tsunade
Utakata
Yondaime Kazekage (4th)
Yugito Nii
S-
Chiyo
Danzo (without implant jutsu)
Darui
Ginkaku
Hidan
Hiruzen Sarutobi (Old)
Kabuto* (Orochimaru merge)
Kakashi Hatake (start of part 2)
Kimimaro Kaguya (healthy)
Kinkaku
Kisame Hoshigaki (without Samehada)
Kitsuchi
Mifune
Might Gai (part 2)
Sasuke Uchiha (start of part 2)
Shisui Uchiha
Zetsu (Black half or Complete)
*These characters have jutsu that require specific preparation that can't be done mid combat but increase their ability significantly, such as Edo Tensei, preparing multiple sage-mode charges, or readying unusual amounts of explosive tags.
^These characters have high-level Biju control of tailed beasts outside of their bodies.
A+
Animal Path (Pain)
Asuma Sarutobi
Asura Path (Pain)
Hiashi Hyuuga
Jugo
Kabuto Yakushi
Kakashi Hatake (part 1)
Kimimaro Kaguya (sick)
Might Gai (part 1)
Suigetsu Hōzuki
Yamato
Zabuza Momochi
A
Ao
Baki
C
Dodai
Fū (ANBU)
Hizashi Hyuuga
Human Path (Pain)
Jūgo
Kankurō (with Sasori puppet)
Killer Bee (Young, Minato fight)
Kurenai Yuhi
Kurotsuchi
Naruto Uzumaki (post elemental training)
Neji Hyuuga (part 2)
Sasori (Sans puppet arsenal)
Shikaku Nara
Torune
A-
Chōjūrō
Chōji Akimichi (Asuma Fight)
Chōza Akimichi
Gaara (Sasuke Retrieval)
Inoichi Yamanaka
Kakko (Kakashi Gaiden)
Naruto Uzumaki (start of part 2)
Preta Path (Pain)
Sai (post-emotions)
Shibi Aburame
Shizune
Temari (start of part 2)
B+
Anko Mitarashi
Ibiki Morino
Ittan
Kakashi Hatake (Kakashi Gaiden)
Kankurō (as of Sasori fight)
Naraka Path (Pain)
Naruto Uzumaki (One Tail)
Rock Lee (part 2)
Sai (start)
Sakura Haruno (part 2)
Sasuke Uchiha (VotE)
B
Gaara (Chuunin Exam)
Haku
Ino Yamanaka (4th Shinobi War)
Kankurō (Sasuke Retrieval)
Omoi
Sakon/Ukon
Shino Aburame (part 2)
Shikamaru Nara (part 2)
Taiseki (Kakashi Gaiden)
Temari (Sasuke Retrieval)
Tsume Inuzuka
B-
Aoba Yamashiro
Chōji Akimichi (start of part 2)
Hayate Gekkō
Hinata Hyuuga (part 2)
Jirōbō
Kiba Inazuka (part 2)
Kidōmaru
Neji Hyuuga (Sasuke Retrieval)
Shin
Tayuya
Tenten (Part 2)
C+
Ebisu
Ino Yamanaka (start of part 2)
Karin
Naruto Uzumaki (Post Rasengan Training)
Neji Hyuga (Chunin exam)
Rock Lee (Chunin exam)
Sasuke Uchiha (Chunin exam finals)
Shikamaru Nara (Sasuke Retrieval)
Temari (Chunin exam)
White Zetsu Clone
C
Dosu
Iruka
Izumo Kamizuki
Kankuro (Chunin exam)
Konohamaru Sarutobi (part 2)
Kotetsu Hagane
Obito Uchiha (Sharingan)
Rin
Sasuke Uchiha (Sharingan)
Shikamaru Nara (Chunin exam)
Shino Aburame (Chunin exam)
Yashamaru
C-
Gōzu (Demon Brother)
Kiba Inazuka (Chunin exam)
Meizu (Demon Brother)
Mizuki
Naruto Uzumaki (Post clone jutsu)
Obito Uchiha (pre-Sharingan)
Sasuke Uchiha (pre-Sharingan)
Shigure
D+
Chōji Akimichi (Chunin exam)
Hinata Hyuga (part 1)
Ino Yamanaka (Chunin exam)
Kin
Oboro
Tenten (Chunin exam)
Zaku
D
Misumi Tsurugi
Sakura Haruno (Chunin exam)
Yoroi Akadō
D-
Rock Lee (Just graduated Genin)
Sakura Haruno (Start)
E+
Naruto Uzumaki (pre-clone jutsu)
E-
Konohamaru Sarutobi (start)
Rock Lee (Academy flashback)
All listing within each rank are alphabetical.
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Added the remaining jinchuuriki (all at S except for Yagura), as well as Tobi w/jinchuuriki paths. He might get bumped up later if he shows even more, but SS is good for now.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Sort of. If you alter it in an artistic way, it is protected by fair use. This is how people get by with "fansubs". They absolutely cannot charge for their fansubs. Since it is changed from the original and they do it for fun but do not charge for it, it gets by as a "fair use".Mirroring the show could also be seen as artistic IF they do not charge for it.
It is gray and not definitive either way.
Sunovabeetch. That's ghey.
People would probably be better off uploading fansubbed vids. Meh.
Originally posted by Q99
Added the remaining jinchuuriki (all at S except for Yagura), as well as Tobi w/jinchuuriki paths. He might get bumped up later if he shows even more, but SS is good for now.
Aw c'mon, no S+ for Utakata?
The guy takes a puff, and Naruto starts crying. That's S+ right there. awesome
Utakata has a nice offensive move, but I don't think having one of the stronger jinchuuriki offense powers is alone enough to make S+.
Yagura has a nice offensive move (biju ball), a nice defensive move (Mirror shield!), and a nice melee power (coral growth).
I'd put Roshi higher than Utakata too, since he's got his lava-aura in addition to his offense, even though bubbles seem better offense than lava.