The Official Naruto series Thread

It's times like these that I find Naruto to be a bit too full of PIS/CIS.

Guy, gates, should be so fast that he can one hit KO Tobi before he can react...even with Tobi having the Sharingan. His speed, in 6-7 gates mode should be approaching, matching, or exceeding Raikage speed. He can already "virtually" port in just base mode (when he rescued Lee from Gaara's attack at the Chunin exams).

Then there's this, too:

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I do wonder how that attack was able to work on v2 cloaks but Orochimaru's sword couldn't

I would like the explanation to be something like: well, lightning is strong against earth and the edo bodies are made of clay which causes them to be more easily cut by the Lightning Connexion. RAAAGE!

Also, if the sharingan allows for memorizing techniques super fast, then a sharingan user should be the best at making clones because they would be reproduced perfectly down to the last detail. Remember how they could tell, in the forest, why some people were "fail" clones? Yeah...the fakers got some of the details slightly off. So a sharingan user should be the best at reproducing clones due to the memorization effect it has.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Guy, gates, should be so fast that he can one hit KO Tobi before he can react...even with Tobi having the Sharingan.

Beats me. Tobi can already keep track of Raikage, teh fastest ninja alive(except for Naruto) so Guy has no bizness blitzing him.

Edit: Actually now that I think on it the lightning moves do have better feats to their name than Orochimaru's sword. I guess I don't mind it.

Not to mention keeping up with Minato, who by A's own admission was faster.

Even while posing as harmless, goofy Tobi, he was noted for his speed.

Man....it's mainly due to Tobi that Naruto wins in the villains category for me out of the HST. The dude is so awesome.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Why?

Originally posted by dadudemon
He can already "virtually" port in just base mode (when he rescued Lee from Gaara's attack at the Chunin exams).

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Beats me. Tobi can already keep track of Raikage, teh fastest ninja alive(except for Naruto) so Guy has no bizness blitzing him.

I don't know what you're talking about. When did Tobi "keep up with" Raikage?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Not to mention keeping up with Minato, who by A's own admission was faster.

I disagree but not because of my opinion or anything. It's just what went down in the fight:

http://www.mangareader.net/93-55203-4/naruto/chapter-501.html

Tobi even remarks about how fast Minato is when he tries to port him away with his own port tech:

http://www.mangareader.net/93-55464-9/naruto/chapter-502.html

"Talk about fast."

And Minato shows his relfexes (unamped) to be far superior to Tobi's (look at the Kunai...it's still moving horizontally from when he threw it...talk about fast...I don't think we have seen speed and reflexes on par with Minato just yet).

http://www.mangareader.net/93-55464-16/naruto/chapter-502.html

It cannot be said that Tobi "kept up with" Minato in speed. Minato had him otherwordly outclassed. It was his ability to go intangible that largely nulled Minato's speed (Minato got a leg up on Tobi more than once and Tobi was cleanly outclassed in speed. I wouldn't say it was the difference between a 3 and a 5 (ninja rating) but Tobi is a 4 or a 4.5 in speed. His reflexes are definitely top-tier but pale in comparison to people like Naruto (KCM), Guy (gates), Raikage (amped), and Minato (base form...which makes Minato even more awesome if you compare him to the other three which amp to get near Minato's level).

Basically, Guy in Gates should be more than fast enough to smack down Tobi especially due to him being distracted with the shared vision, controlling the former jinchurki, and dealing with Kakashi, B, and Naruto. Guy is in gates and he has the pure speed to do it. Tobi should be cleanly outclassed by Guy's speed as Guy is one of the top 5 in all of Naruto in speed.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Even while posing as harmless, goofy Tobi, he was noted for his speed.

He was? Scans? I thought it was ability to survive stuff he shouldn't (anyone beyond the 4th wall knows why: Tobi can go intangible).

Also, the words from Tobi indicate that Tobi is definitely older than we are thinking:

http://www.mangareader.net/93-55203-7/naruto/chapter-501.html

"Do you have ANY idea how long I have been waiting for this?"

Hmm

important observation but not super important.

Also, it makes sense why Kurama does not like to be controlled by Madara/Tobi:

http://www.mangareader.net/93-55203-8/naruto/chapter-501.html

That does not look comfortable.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't know what you're talking about. When did Tobi "keep up with" Raikage?

http://www.mangareader.net/93-35269-6/naruto/chapter-467.html

He was clearly tangible and then turned intangible so A would pass harmlessly through.

Originally posted by dadudemon
His reflexes are definitely top-tier but pale in comparison to people like Naruto (KCM), Guy (gates), Raikage (amped), and Minato (base form...which makes Minato even more awesome if you compare him to the other three which amp to get near Minato's level).

Demonstrably false.

http://www.mangareader.net/93-57323-14/naruto/chapter-509.html

Tobi reacted to an explosion and dealt with it accordingly(Minato did similar). Tobi was injured because his ST ninjutsu seems slower than Minato's.

http://www.mangareader.net/93-34416-14/naruto/chapter-466.html

Tobi saved Sasuke from the Dust technique.

http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/567/12

Tobi, through bodies, blocks an attack from Guy and dodges Raikiri.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Basically, Guy in Gates should be more than fast enough to smack down Tobi especially due to him being distracted with the shared vision, controlling the former jinchurki, and dealing with Kakashi, B, and Naruto. Guy is in gates and he has the pure speed to do it. Tobi should be cleanly outclassed by Guy's speed as Guy is one of the top 5 in all of Naruto in speed.

Did it occur to you that because of his shared vision, Tobi can easily keep track of Guy anyway? Guy of course also being busy being attacked by the Six Tails, unable to actually focus on Tobi. If Guy were to get past the Six Tails, Tobi would be aware and could go intangible to protect himself. Like he did when Guy and Kakashi arrived on the scene.

Originally posted by dadudemon
He was? Scans? I thought it was ability to survive stuff he shouldn't (anyone beyond the 4th wall knows why: Tobi can go intangible).

http://www.mangareader.net/93-368-9/naruto/chapter-363.html

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
http://www.mangareader.net/93-35269-6/naruto/chapter-467.html

He was clearly tangible and then turned intangible so A would pass harmlessly through.

I don't see Tobi keeping up with Raikage, here. What I see is Tobi's ability to turn intangible as his only way to keep from getting destroyed by a speed blitzer...like he did against Minato. My point is not, "Tobi cannot go intangible against a speed-blitzer."

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Demonstrably false.

http://www.mangareader.net/93-57323-14/naruto/chapter-509.html

Tobi reacted to an explosion and dealt with it accordingly(Minato did similar). Tobi was injured because his ST ninjutsu seems slower than Minato's.

Well, that view occurs after this view:

http://www.mangareader.net/93-57323-6/naruto/chapter-509.html

http://www.mangareader.net/93-57323-7/naruto/chapter-509.html

I do not see that as a speed or reflex feat, at all: rather, that's Tobi falling for Konan's pre-planned trap. I think his best speed and reaction feats occur against Minato but there is some buzz going on in some parts that the Tobi that attacked Minato and Konoha is not the same as the Tobi we have now. That would explain..possibly...the difference in speed and techs, for sure. The one that attacked Konoha seemed to have more chakra and varied techniques. Is it possible that that Tobi was actually Madara and the one we have now is not? Maybe...I don't feel that theory as well as I do yours and some others.

Edit - but I will concede that Tobi was definitely fast in the first example you provided, just not anything better than a 4 or 4.5. Raikge wasn't going all out, as well...that's CIS. Why would he hold back? I don't know.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
http://www.mangareader.net/93-34416-14/naruto/chapter-466.html

Tobi saved Sasuke from the Dust technique.

http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/567/12

Tobi, through bodies, blocks an attack from Guy and dodges Raikiri.

To the first: that's not an indication of speed, really. We have no idea how long it took to go between panels. Whereas, with the kunai that Minato threw, we know that the Kunai was thrown fast enough to appear to be moving in a straight arc (meaning, it was throw very hard because the pull of gravity wasn't enough to allow the viewers to see the kunai travel on a curved path...that was an excellent demonstration of what a truly fast exchange was like and Madara comments on Minato to let us know that, indeed, Minato is something else when it comes to speed).

To the second, that is not a speed or reaction feat at all: that's taking advantage of shared vision. It was cutting it close, actually...which, for me, was showing how fast Kakashi and Guy are because they almost landed their blows.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Did it occur to you that because of his shared vision, Tobi can easily keep track of Guy anyway? Guy of course also being busy being attacked by the Six Tails, unable to actually focus on Tobi. If Guy were to get past the Six Tails, Tobi would be aware and could go intangible to protect himself. Like he did when Guy and Kakashi arrived on the scene.

Yeah, that's part of why I think it would work: the shared vision. Being at the very top in speed allows for you to do stuff that, regardless of a shared vision, makes for a way to win almost every fight. I know that does not make sense but lemme try this way: seeing is not the same as actually moving. It is just seeing. It would still reduce the effectiveness, but shared vision is part of the problem because of the focus required: there are more variables that I mentioned (human variables).

My point is anything that prevents Guy from being successful, while in gates, at top speed, would be PIS UNLESS Tobi does his "intangible" thing. However, Guy should be more than fast enough to counter-attack before Tobi can do anything. This is the problem I have of introducing supersonic speed blitzers in a manga.

To Kishi's credit, he explains how Raikage can react so quickly: he amps his nervous system to fire extremely fast. With Guy, he opens the gates. It pains me, horribly, to admit that Minato's speed has to either be a KG or PIS: he has no way to amp himself. It takes a certain amount of time for the signal to pass from your eyes to your brain and then to a processed image with which you can make decisions. There is just not enough time to react to someone moving at supersonic (non-gated, btw) or hypersonic speeds. This is why Minato made Tobi look like a punk *****: Minato was resting on the wall with his son when Tobi was still mid stabby motion. That's what a speed-blitzer makes Tobi look like.

My argument is that Tobi cannot truly deal with a genuine speedster (proven) while maintaining control over his bodies, while processing and reacting to shared vision, and while fighting off the other guys at the same time. Something would have to give. But it's not. For me, it smacks of forced opposition. I wish Kishimoto would not have introduced Guy and Kakashi to the fight .

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
http://www.mangareader.net/93-368-9/naruto/chapter-363.html

You were talking about that?

Why would you think it meant speed rather than this:

I thought it was ability to survive stuff he shouldn't (anyone beyond the 4th wall knows why: Tobi can go intangible).

I'm curious, not trying to argue this point. It is open for interpretation but if you can make a good case, I may change my mind.

However, Nagato remarks that someone of Tobi's level was easy to come by so do you feel that Tobi was portrayed as weak (how he chose)?

Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't see Tobi keeping up with Raikage, here. What I see is Tobi's ability to turn intangible as his only way to keep from getting destroyed by a speed blitzer...like he did against Minato. My point is not, "Tobi cannot go intangible against a speed-blitzer."

Indeed. But, that's the point. At some point, Tobi needed to think "Time to turn intangible." And we can clearly see Tobi reacting to A's movement, as evident by the "!" Tobi did see Raikage moving and this isn't very surprising. His eye can deal with speeds like this.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I do not see that as a speed or reflex feat, at all: rather, that's Tobi falling for Konan's pre-planned trap. I think his best speed and reaction feats occur against Minato but there is some buzz going on in some parts that the Tobi that attacked Minato and Konoha is not the same as the Tobi we have now. That would explain..possibly...the difference in speed and techs, for sure. The one that attacked Konoha seemed to have more chakra and varied techniques. Is it possible that that Tobi was actually Madara and the one we have now is not? Maybe...I don't feel that theory as well as I do yours and some others.

Except it is. Tobi says in no minced words that "I was faster than you....for the most part." In fact, Tobi was actually at a disadvantage there compared to Minato's baby saving. If it isn't the same Tobi, it would be someone with the same techs and the same odd white plant stuff that Tobi is shown using.

Originally posted by dadudemon
But I will concede that Tobi was definitely fast in the first example you provided, just not anything better than a 4 or 4.5. Raikge wasn't going all out, as well...that's CIS. Why would he hold back? I don't know.

Indeed. Raikage rarely goes to full speed period. This is a case of holding back to catch your opponent off guard. Of course, it's speculated that A and Naruto don't always move at fullspeed because they can't. Which makes sense I suppose.

Originally posted by dadudemon
To the first: that's not an indication of speed, really. We have no idea how long it took to go between panels. Whereas, with the kunai that Minato threw, we know that the Kunai was thrown fast enough to appear to be moving in a straight arc (meaning, it was throw very hard because the pull of gravity wasn't enough to allow the viewers to see the kunai travel on a curved path...that was an excellent demonstration of what a truly fast exchange was like and Madara comments on Minato to let us know that, indeed, Minato is something else when it comes to speed).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1iLN3i8Xmk

Then take a look at it in motion, around 1:40.

Originally posted by dadudemon
To the second, that is not a speed or reaction feat at all: that's taking advantage of shared vision. It was cutting it close, actually...which, for me, was showing how fast Kakashi and Guy are because they almost landed their blows.

In order to react, you need to see. Tobi saw their attacks and blocked/dodged accordingly. If Guy was moving at a completely untraceable speed, the shared vision wouldn't matter. He isn't.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yeah, that's part of why I think it would work: the shared vision. Being at the very top in speed allows for you to do stuff that, regardless of a shared vision, makes for a way to win almost every fight. I know that does not make sense but lemme try this way: seeing is not the same as actually moving. It is just seeing. It would still reduce the effectiveness, but shared vision is part of the problem because of the focus required: there are more variables that I mentioned (human variables).

Rinnegan users don't really have this problem though. Tobi/Nagato have dealt with speedsters before without a problem. They've not only kept track of their opponents movements but also been able to control what really amounts to puppets in order to deal with them. Instead of point out that this obviously shouldn't be humanly possible, merely accept that Tobi and Nagato are super human ninja capable of doing such.

Originally posted by dadudemon
My point is anything that prevents Guy from being successful, while in gates, at top speed, would be PIS UNLESS Tobi does his "intangible" thing. However, Guy should be more than fast enough to counter-attack before Tobi can do anything. This is the problem I have of introducing supersonic speed blitzers in a manga.

Or, you accept that Tobi has the ability to react to speeds like Guys. Not like Gates Guy has very many speed feats really. He has none against sharingan user, much less one that has 7 different perspectives.

Originally posted by dadudemon
To Kishi's credit, he explains how Raikage can react so quickly: he amps his nervous system to fire extremely fast. With Guy, he opens the gates. It pains me, horribly, to admit that Minato's speed has to either be a KG or PIS: he has no way to amp himself. It takes a certain amount of time for the signal to pass from your eyes to your brain and then to a processed image with which you can make decisions. There is just not enough time to react to someone moving at supersonic (non-gated, btw) or hypersonic speeds. This is why Minato made Tobi look like a punk *****: Minato was resting on the wall with his son when Tobi was still mid stabby motion. That's what a speed-blitzer makes Tobi look like.

My argument is that Tobi cannot truly deal with a genuine speedster (proven) while maintaining control over his bodies, while processing and reacting to shared vision, and while fighting off the other guys at the same time. Something would have to give. But it's not. For me, it smacks of forced opposition. I wish Kishimoto would not have introduced Guy and Kakashi to the fight.

Minato is simply that good. Ninja can train themselves to be able to react to speeds like that. Why? Dunno. Don't care. And Tobi's plan would have been ruined if Minato hadn't saved his son. FTG V2 was the only time Tobi has ever truly been blitzed.

We have no idea of the improvement of Version 2 FTG compared to the normal one. The normal one allows Minato to move as fast as Naruto at his absolute best and that apparently wasn't enough to deal with Tobi.

But I see your point. I just don't agree. Tobi isn't Chiyo for example, who was able to keep track of 10 puppets at one time with one finger each. He has advantages she lacks. The helpful omnidirectional view, the closeness to his targets, the fact that the beasts for the most part are tied down quite nicely, and in general being a better ninja than Chiyo. This really isn't anything new to me and I don't see it so much as a problem. I'm just given the impression that Tobi is that good, which I think is the intent.

Just thought of a neat comparison. Kabuto really is struggling to keep up with all the bodies under his control. Tobi really isn't, needing to dish out the chains only when the Bijuu are being difficult. Tobi is superior to Kabuto and has fewer bodies to look after. Not too problematic.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You were talking about that?

Why would you think it meant speed rather than this:

I thought it was ability to survive stuff he shouldn't (anyone beyond the 4th wall knows why: Tobi can go intangible).

I'm curious, not trying to argue this point. It is open for interpretation but if you can make a good case, I may change my mind.

However, Nagato remarks that someone of Tobi's level was easy to come by so do you feel that Tobi was portrayed as weak (how he chose)?

I think that was the specific remark NemeBro was referring to.

Because that's not really what he said. Running away implies speed.

Tobi was designed to appear weak yes. A weakling that was only good at running away. No one would suspect him to be the man behind the man(except for that whole mask thing).

Originally posted by psycho gundam
A and B would laugh at that attack

Is this before or after their heads have been taken off?

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Man....it's mainly due to Tobi that Naruto wins in the villains category for me out of the HST. The dude is so awesome.

Indeed. Plus that "I'm No One" bit was shweet. If only he could break the 4th wall more often. awesome

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Correction: It's longer and thinner. Thus, less awesome.

Nah. Manga have endings. awesome
Indeed.

Spoiler:
Read One Piece then.

vin

Correction: It's longer, thinner, and better. Plus it has a name that pisses all over Kumogakure. Ergo, more awesome.

Meaning comics are infinite. Infinite > finite. 313
You watch the movie?

Screw One Piece. Unless it has ninjas as well as Pirates. mmm

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
We have no idea of the improvement of Version 2 FTG compared to the normal one. The normal one allows Minato to move as fast as Naruto at his absolute best and that apparently wasn't enough to deal with Tobi.

I was under the impression that FTG V2 is just Minato porting to a thrown kunai/seal, as opposed to V1, where he ports to a stationary seal.

To Minato's credit, that was an uber feat. He timed it flawlessly. Plus catching that kunai afterward was badass.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Indeed. Plus that "I'm No One" bit was shweet. If only he could break the 4th wall more often. awesome

Tobi's real identity is

Spoiler:
Masashi Kishimoto.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Correction: It's longer, thinner, and better. Plus it has a name that pisses all over Kumogakure. Ergo, more awesome.

Meaning comics are infinite. Infinite > finite. 313
You watch the movie?

Screw One Piece. Unless it has ninjas as well as Pirates. mmm

Nah, just longer and thinner. We all know that 2 Kakashi's<AB

Would you like to take an infinite shit? No? Okay then. uhuh

There are some ninja like characters. Captain Kuro, the CP9 gang, and others I suppose. Stealth and intelligent fighting really isn't One Piece's thing though. You want to win, you have to outman your opponent. Or just be outright broken, like every Admiral who is not the awesome Akainu.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I was under the impression that FTG V2 is just Minato porting to a thrown kunai/seal, as opposed to V1, where he ports to a stationary seal.

To Minato's credit, that was an uber feat. He timed it flawlessly. Plus catching that kunai afterward was badass.

He's done that before and didn't specify it. mmm

Indeed. He has a One Piece counterpart who is equally in the realm of "Just that good" named Shanks. Imagine Minato with red hair and more into sword fighting.

Mind you, Shanks would lolstomp him. One Piece is unquestionably the more powerful verse. Enel here can spam Kirins. He is not the strongest character in the manga though.

Originally posted by dadudemon
[B]I disagree but not because of my opinion or anything. It's just what went down in the fight:

http://www.mangareader.net/93-55203-4/naruto/chapter-501.html

I'm not saying Tobi was faster, just that he was fast enough to keep up, and compensated for the difference there was in speed with his space/time jutsu.

Tobi even remarks about how fast Minato is when he tries to port him away with his own port tech:

http://www.mangareader.net/93-55464-9/naruto/chapter-502.html

"Talk about fast."

How you missed "He teleported" is beyond me.

And Minato shows his relfexes (unamped) to be far superior to Tobi's (look at the Kunai...it's still moving horizontally from when he threw it...talk about fast...I don't think we have seen speed and reflexes on par with Minato just yet).

http://www.mangareader.net/93-55464-16/naruto/chapter-502.html

He caught a kunai. 😐

Woopty doo does not begin to illustrate my feelings on that matter. How fast was it going? Can you tell me that?

It cannot be said that Tobi "kept up with" Minato in speed. Minato had him otherwordly outclassed. It was his ability to go intangible that largely nulled Minato's speed (Minato got a leg up on Tobi more than once and Tobi was cleanly outclassed in speed. I wouldn't say it was the difference between a 3 and a 5 (ninja rating) but Tobi is a 4 or a 4.5 in speed. His reflexes are definitely top-tier but pale in comparison to people like Naruto (KCM), Guy (gates), Raikage (amped), and Minato (base form...which makes Minato even more awesome if you compare him to the other three which amp to get near Minato's level).

http://www.mangareader.net/93-55464-13/naruto/chapter-502.html

"It comes down to speed, whoever strikes a split second earlier will win!"

Clearly Minato isn't exactly completely sure he is faster, and admits it comes down to a split second difference.

He's not "otherworldly outclassed".

Basically, Guy in Gates should be more than fast enough to smack down Tobi especially due to him being distracted with the shared vision, controlling the former jinchurki, and dealing with Kakashi, B, and Naruto. Guy is in gates and he has the pure speed to do it. Tobi should be cleanly outclassed by Guy's speed as Guy is one of the top 5 in all of Naruto in speed.

Yet Tobi reacted to a surprise attack from Gai and Kakashi, turning intangible in time to avoid them (And Gate had an aura, which implies he was using some amount of Gates).

Even if there is a speed difference, his intangibility and Sharingan easily make up for it. Along with, you know, controlling six Jinchuriki, or however that word I never use is spelled.

He was? Scans? I thought it was ability to survive stuff he shouldn't (anyone beyond the 4th wall knows why: Tobi can go intangible).

I don't really feel like going that far back for a scan...

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Tobi's real identity is

Spoiler:
Masashi Kishimoto.

Mashashi Kishimoto has teh Rinnegan + Sharingan hax?!!! ha-son

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Nah, just longer and thinner. We all know that 2 Kakashi's<AB

Would you like to take an infinite shit? No? Okay then. uhuh

There are some ninja like characters. Captain Kuro, the CP9 gang, and others I suppose. Stealth and intelligent fighting really isn't One Piece's thing though. You want to win, you have to outman your opponent. Or just be outright broken, like every Admiral who is not the awesome Akainu.

Nah, longer, thinner, better named, and better looking.

Mangas and comic books aren't shit though. sneer

F*** that shit then. Pirates vs. Ninjas is what I wanted.
Blackbeard's broken no? At least that was the impression I got from the wiki mmm

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
He's done that before and didn't specify it. mmm

Indeed. He has a One Piece counterpart who is equally in the realm of "Just that good" named Shanks. Imagine Minato with red hair and more into sword fighting.

Mind you, Shanks would lolstomp him. One Piece is unquestionably the more powerful verse. Enel here can spam Kirins. He is not the strongest character in the manga though.

That's because he knew A would never be able to understand the ass-kicking he just received.
Or the Level 2 shit was just a mistranslation.

Yah, I know OP is > Naruto.

Enel looks both ghey and bawss. Weird. mmm

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Is this before or after their heads have been taken off?

kakashi's arms would get ripped out of the sockets trying to pull it off

YouTube video

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Blackbeard's broken no? At least that was the impression I got from the wiki mmm

Very.

Along with being one of the strongest and most durable characters physically, he has not one, but two very powerful Devil Fruits, one that allows him to basically be a living vacuum cleaner, using DARKNESS to devour shit, and can also expunge it all out in one attack, among other things, but he also has the Gura Gura Fruit, which allows him to create quakes with gestures. He split an island in half with it.

But yeah, One Piece is much more powerful than Naruto in virtually all counts.

To give you an idea, here are calcs of the scale of the biggest calced Naruto feat compared to Enel's Raigou.

Nagato's CST: 5,500,000,000+m^3
Enels Raigou: 157,000,000,000m^3

In terms of volume.

One Piece boasts by far the most massively destructive attack in the HST.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Nah, longer, thinner, better named, and better looking.

Mangas and comic books aren't shit though. sneer

F*** that shit then. Pirates vs. Ninjas is what I wanted.
Blackbeard's broken no? At least that was the impression I got from the wiki mmm

But an inferior technique.

You're half right. Manga is not shit. vin

CP9 vs Straw Hats is essentially Ninja vs Pirates. Pirates won.

Blackbeard has recently gotten far more broken than before. The Gura Gura fruit was his Rinnegan if we're making a Tobi comparison. Blackbeard had a strong ability before but he could clearly still be pwned. So he used his smarts to get ahead. He is actually somewhat of a Magnificent Bastard to be honest.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
That's because he knew A would never be able to understand the ass-kicking he just received.
Or the Level 2 shit was just a mistranslation.

Enel looks both ghey and bawss. Weird. mmm

I dunno.

Enel is cool enough I guess. I prefer Blackbeard and Crocodile though. Enel would have ****ed both of them up though. Blackbeard with Gura Gura would a better opponent.

Edit: One Piece is lacking illusions(that I recall) though and the fighters are less intelligent than Naruto ninja. vin

****ing Magellan never ceases to amaze me. Dude was a monster even by One Piece standards. And he was so unimportant really.

Blackbeard seems to be kind of an evil version of Luffy to be honest. I remember the first time we saw him he and Luffy were kind of palling it up. Isn't he trying to be the Pirate King too?

Plus he has the Will of the D.

Blackbeard is the exact opposite of Luffy really. Powers, design, ideals, intelligence, etc.

He is trying to become Pirate King but for different reasons. Blackbeard wants to conquer the world and Luffy just wants to have adventures.

He's obviously an evil Luffy. The parallels are intentional.

OP is lacking in varied abilities, yes, but they have far more powerful ones.

Call me when a Naruto character can levitate several islands and pirate ships by force of will. estahuh

Discounting Rikudo Sennin, of course, who if his feats are legit, is the strongest character in the HST.

Yeah, Rikudo Senin is stronger than One Piece characters. The strongest One Piece character was ironically just introduced. vin