The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by leonheartmm
hrmm, i cud again give you scans of dante battling a multiversal lucifer but hey, what does that prove right? or how about sora deflecting thousands of lightbeams etc. noooooo, none of that does anything for you.

as for sasuke, i think he can be beaten sure. but the way shown currently, isnt sumthing shown to be able to do what it is doing{with the 8 tails} to any serious sharingan user in the past. i like naruto better than sasuke as well as urochimaru, the major redeeming quality that sasuke had {i.e. the cursed seal level2} is also gone .

Hmm as for the 8-tail..Guess it was already said..How the heck did I miss that??

Originally posted by dadudemon
It's in 408, second to last page...just like I said earlier.

Originally posted by Kento
Gai, Zabuza, and Naruto have all beaten the sharingan all in different ways. So how is what the 8-tails doing something that hasn't happened by using a unpredictable fighting style? 7 swords to attack with, and he's also spinning. Kinda hard to predict, not to mention he isn't going to be facing him while spinning around so that's also part of the sharingan beaten.

Hmm as for the 8-tail..Guess it was already said..How the heck did I miss that??

zabuza never beat the shaaringan, and also, that was earlier in the series when the only two powers of the sharingan were hypnosis and insight. also, he didnt beat the sharingan in its INSIGHT ability. gai hasnt BEATEN the sharingan's insight, hes beaten a sharingan USER based on his body's inability to keep up with the insight. also, i find it sumwhat hard to beleive that he wont be able to perceive 8 attacks when kakashi cud easily see rock lee's attacks when he opened the gates and was SURPISED when his shaaringan cudnt count the number of individual microscopic attacks in total when naruto used the wind shuriker{probably upwards of a billion as they severed every nerve in every cell} and sasuke is now the stronger sharingan user. also, sasuke used chidori needles to deactivate tons of individual explosive clay attacks by diedara. oh hey, how about the hundreds of shurikern-shuriker/kunai/kunai attacks that sasuke parried when fighting itachi. basically to say that he cant PERCEIVE 8 attacks is ridiculous. he may not be able to react to them{again doubtful} but there shudnt be any problem in PERCEPTION as long as there isnt sumthing other paying a role other tha just attacks{sum special chakra perhaps}.

stop trying to get sasuke down just cause you hate em.

Why do you think he can't perceive them?

And shuriken/kunai etc. also move in straight linear paths. Much more different then 8 arms.

Rock Lee is one attacking variable moving very fast.

Keep going on and on and on fanboy...

Originally posted by Magee
Well for some reason I don't have it so get it up yee ya bawbag.

Wtf was that last part, there?

It was "get it up yee ya bawbag".

Zabuza actaully did Beat the Sharingan. If you can't see he opponent then you can't predict or see their high movements. Until proven other wise the Hidden mist messes up the the Sharingan.

Now Sasuke is alright. I think the reason he couldn't predict the attacks. He probab;ly could there was just no proper way to counter the attacks. He thought he could but it just wasn't working

Plus im sure it a clone testing the 8-tails out so sasuke can rape.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
zabuza never beat the shaaringan, and also, that was earlier in the series when the only two powers of the sharingan were hypnosis and insight. also, he didnt beat the sharingan in its INSIGHT ability. gai hasnt BEATEN the sharingan's insight, hes beaten a sharingan USER based on his body's inability to keep up with the insight. also, i find it sumwhat hard to beleive that he wont be able to perceive 8 attacks when kakashi cud easily see rock lee's attacks when he opened the gates and was SURPISED when his shaaringan cudnt count the number of individual microscopic attacks in total when naruto used the wind shuriker{probably upwards of a billion as they severed every nerve in every cell} and sasuke is now the stronger sharingan user. also, sasuke used chidori needles to deactivate tons of individual explosive clay attacks by diedara. oh hey, how about the hundreds of shurikern-shuriker/kunai/kunai attacks that sasuke parried when fighting itachi. basically to say that he cant PERCEIVE 8 attacks is ridiculous. he may not be able to react to them{again doubtful} but there shudnt be any problem in PERCEPTION as long as there isnt sumthing other paying a role other tha just attacks{sum special chakra perhaps}.

stop trying to get sasuke down just cause you hate em.

No Gai found a way to beat the sharingan not because he moves faster than Kakashi.

Lee doesn't move unpredictable. He's fast and strong but unless drunk he's easy to predict.

What does seeing Deidara's bombs that don't move fast have to do with being unable to react to something unpredictable?

That be a better feat if Itachi was actually trying.

Or it could just be a unpredictable fighter has a better advantage than somebody like Lee who isn't. Or the fact that Gai found looking at the persons feet stops the sharingan and the fact the guy is spinning around and not looking at Sasuke. Or maybe some weird thing that the dark glasses he wears blocks it. lol That would be funny. Sunglasses > sharingan.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
hrmm, i cud again give you scans of dante battling a multiversal lucifer but hey, what does that prove right? or how about sora deflecting thousands of lightbeams etc. noooooo, none of that does anything for you.

as for sasuke, i think he can be beaten sure. but the way shown currently, isnt sumthing shown to be able to do what it is doing{with the 8 tails} to any serious sharingan user in the past. i like naruto better than sasuke as well as urochimaru, the major redeeming quality that sasuke had {i.e. the cursed seal level2} is also gone .

2. Sharingan users have been beaten by one person at a time through pure speed. Maybe the Eight Tailed guy is really fast, ALONG with being unpredictable?

BUT NOT FAST ENOUGH FOR SAWS-GOD!!!

I hope to God that sombody murders Sasuke. I would like it if Naruto murdered Sasuke.

Originally posted by Magee
It was "get it up yee ya bawbag".

I'm familiar enough with Glaswegian to know that "bawbag" is the slang way of saying "ballbag". By what does "get it up ye ya" mean? Nothing can go up me bawbag. I don't understand the Glaswegian saying.

And I don't understand why the premise of this conversation is a big deal. So you don't have it, I provided it, end of story.

He's an octopus. So get it up ye bawbag, ya ripe fanny.

Originally posted by Magee
Those are supposed to be scales. Since when do octopus have ears, teeth, horns, nostrils and... 😐

just curious, what page and chapter were you looking at??

Originally posted by Kento
Yes he did. He made the mist so the Sharingan was useless. It's why Kakashi needed to dogs, and why until the mist cleared Kakashi didn't own Zabuza.

No Gai found a way to beat the sharingan not because he moves faster than Kakashi.

Lee doesn't move unpredictable. He's fast and strong but unless drunk he's easy to predict.

What does seeing Deidara's bombs that don't move fast have to do with being unable to react to something unpredictable?

That be a better feat if Itachi was actually trying.

Or it could just be a unpredictable fighter has a better advantage than somebody like Lee who isn't. Or the fact that Gai found looking at the persons feet stops the sharingan and the fact the guy is spinning around and not looking at Sasuke. Or maybe some weird thing that the dark glasses he wears blocks it. lol That would be funny. Sunglasses > sharingan.

mist =/= attack we are talking about attacks

gai didnt find a way to beat the shaaringan's PERCEPTION{which is the ONLY thing under scrutiny here} he found a way to bypass the shaaringan USER'S ability to react. gai isnt capable of attacks beyond the shaaringan's INSIGHT

predictable or unpredictable, the argument being posted was that the sharingan cudnt see 6 attacks simultaneously, while lee was doing hundreds probably in a second or so. and was still perceived

diedara attacked with more than 5 bombs and all were seen and countered, destroying the argument posted which claimed that the sharingan cudnt counter said number of attacks

sure, itachi wasnt trying, tsukiymo, amaterasu and susano isnt TRYING at all.

and get your facts straight, gai found out that looking at sum1's feat stop the sharingan user from casting GENJUTSU, it doesnt hamper their precognitive and insight power{which is the only hting being discussed here} in the LEAST. also, that was only with a normal sharingan user, kakashi, itachi disproved that by casting genjutsu on naruto with pointing just a finger with his CLONE, even when naruto was forcibly looking down and away from him.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Noncanon Dante. And said lasers are actually slow, and Sora blocked them by using the KEyblade's magic to spin t3h blade. And there was not "thousands."

2. Sharingan users have been beaten by one person at a time through pure speed. Maybe the Eight Tailed guy is really fast, ALONG with being unpredictable?

and i admitted that it was noncannon and said that IF you take it into account THEN he can beat LT. these words are supposed to have meanings you know. the said laser are LASERS, they are slow for game mechanincs but that can not be used as an argument for their speeed objectively, they are light and sora BLOCKED them as they came, thousands of them. that is all there is. there were thousands, the dome around them was made completely of them. you can even try and count how many times they spin their keblades in blurred motion if you have the time, there were thousands at least.

2. i never said that sharingan users are unbeatable with speed or other methods so there is no point there. what i SAID, was that the ability of perception of the shaaringan cant just be beaten with tricky movements and speed alone. the user's physical limitations can be bested, definately, but not the sharingan;s insight.

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Originally posted by stickman618
just curious, what page and chapter were you looking at??

Originally posted by leonheartmm
mist =/= attack we are talking about attacks

gai didnt find a way to beat the shaaringan's PERCEPTION{which is the ONLY thing under scrutiny here} he found a way to bypass the shaaringan USER'S ability to react. gai isnt capable of attacks beyond the shaaringan's INSIGHT

predictable or unpredictable, the argument being posted was that the sharingan cudnt see 6 attacks simultaneously, while lee was doing hundreds probably in a second or so. and was still perceived

diedara attacked with more than 5 bombs and all were seen and countered, destroying the argument posted which claimed that the sharingan cudnt counter said number of attacks

sure, itachi wasnt trying, tsukiymo, amaterasu and susano isnt TRYING at all.

and get your facts straight, gai found out that looking at sum1's feat stop the sharingan user from casting GENJUTSU, it doesnt hamper their precognitive and insight power{which is the only hting being discussed here} in the LEAST. also, that was only with a normal sharingan user, kakashi, itachi disproved that by casting genjutsu on naruto with pointing just a finger with his CLONE, even when naruto was forcibly looking down and away from him.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
and i admitted that it was noncannon and said that IF you take it into account THEN he can beat LT. these words are supposed to have meanings you know. the said laser are LASERS, they are slow for game mechanincs but that can not be used as an argument for their speeed objectively, they are light and sora BLOCKED them as they came, thousands of them. that is all there is. there were thousands, the dome around them was made completely of them. you can even try and count how many times they spin their keblades in blurred motion if you have the time, there were thousands at least.

2. i never said that sharingan users are unbeatable with speed or other methods so there is no point there. what i SAID, was that the ability of perception of the shaaringan cant just be beaten with tricky movements and speed alone. the user's physical limitations can be bested, definately, but not the sharingan;s insight.

2. Okay, lemme rephrase this then, the Eight Tailed is too fast, unpredictable and strong to react to. 🙂

Originally posted by leonheartmm

predictable or unpredictable, the argument being posted was that the sharingan cudnt see 6 attacks simultaneously, while lee was doing hundreds probably in a second or so. and was still perceived

He was performing hundreds of attacks but only doing so with four variables. His hands and his legs. Eight Tails was doing god knows how many attacks but with seven variables. That is what everyone is trying to say but you keep ignoring it.

Leon,

Lee's was linear or sequential. 8-tails was simultaneous. That's the difference. The Sharingan works just fine against really fast attacks. It seems to falter when more variables and introduced simultaneously. It also fails, in a way, when the opponent is faster than the Sharingan user can react. (which you've stated already.)

And Itachi is a very special person. I don't think there is any other genjutsu user in the Naruto universe that could start the illusion with just a flick of the fingers.