Silly? I'm just pointing out an established fact: this game is absolutely ridiculous. It's a complete failure within its own genre. The entire purpose of a role playing game is to draw the player into the role of the character. This is usually achieved by making the setting as captivating as possible, providing the player with a plot that drives him/her to play it through, and making the character/s as likeable and relatable as possible. WoW fails on all three counts. The playable character is completely undefined, the plotline virtually non existent, and the graphics are dated and the setting is completely uncaptivating (more gloomy than anything else). It completely fails at drawing the player into the role of the character, and really, aspects of it can quite frankly be absolutely ridiculous. I mean seriously, brewfest? Dumbest sh1t I've ever seen in my life. There's absolutely no charm about the game whatsoever. Even the battle system sucks. It's command based for one, and the battle visuals are absolutely terrible (especially the melee combat, you can barely see your attacks make contact with your opponent).
It quite simply fails. Completely.
Originally posted by Taven
Silly? I'm just pointing out an established fact: this game is absolutely ridiculous. It's a complete failure within its own genre. The entire purpose of a role playing game is to draw the player into the role of the character. This is usually achieved by making the setting as captivating as possible, providing the player with a plot that drives him/her to play it through, and making the character/s as likeable and relatable as possible. WoW fails on all three counts. The playable character is completely undefined, the plotline virtually non existent, and the graphics are dated and the setting is completely uncaptivating (more gloomy than anything else). It completely fails at drawing the player into the role of the character, and really, aspects of it can quite frankly be absolutely ridiculous. I mean seriously, brewfest? Dumbest sh1t I've ever seen in my life. There's absolutely no charm about the game whatsoever. Even the battle system sucks. It's command based for one, and the battle visuals are absolutely terrible (especially the melee combat, you can barely see your attacks make contact with your opponent).It quite simply fails. Completely.
Okay, I'm no fan of WoW myself, but if you're not going to do anything but say how terrible a game is then you may as well not bother posting in its thread.
Originally posted by Taven
Silly? I'm just pointing out an established fact: this game is absolutely ridiculous. It's a complete failure within its own genre. The entire purpose of a role playing game is to draw the player into the role of the character. This is usually achieved by making the setting as captivating as possible, providing the player with a plot that drives him/her to play it through, and making the character/s as likeable and relatable as possible. WoW fails on all three counts. The playable character is completely undefined, the plotline virtually non existent, and the graphics are dated and the setting is completely uncaptivating (more gloomy than anything else). It completely fails at drawing the player into the role of the character, and really, aspects of it can quite frankly be absolutely ridiculous. I mean seriously, brewfest? Dumbest sh1t I've ever seen in my life. There's absolutely no charm about the game whatsoever. Even the battle system sucks. It's command based for one, and the battle visuals are absolutely terrible (especially the melee combat, you can barely see your attacks make contact with your opponent).It quite simply fails. Completely.
Not an established fact, what a dumb thing to say. The only established fact is that the game is host to nearly 12 million active players, most of which would actively disagree with you on all of your points.
It's fine if you don't like the game, not for everyone, it's sorta a niche, and you seem to forget that it's an MMO so it's difficult to have a compelling personal story when there are millions of other people in the world doing the same exact thing. It does it better than every single other MMO game, and better than many single player games as well.
And the world is great I think, I find it engaging and interesting, especially the newer zones. Frankly it sounds like you've never even played the game, just spouting crap based on nothing.
I most certainly have [regretfully] played the game. I heard some good stuff, tried it out, and eventually reached a stage where I was in a position to effectively evaluate the quality of the game.
Firstly, the plotline doesn't have to be personal to drive you to play through it; it helps, but what it really needs is direction. WoW has none. You're left to walk from town to town to pick up quests that have no real relevance or connection to each other, there's no real end point that the game is directing you towards, and as such there's no real meaning or purpose to the few storyline elements that the game does possess. It fails in the plot category bigtime, which is by far the most important aspect of an RPG, MMO or no.
The characters, as I already said, are completely undefined. All we actually know about them are details given of the vague role they play in the world in the opening cinematic, and the extremely indistinct tidbits we can gather from the manner in which the NPCs around the game world react to you. That's it. There's simply no way in which you can escape into the character, whatsoever. Another fundamental aspect of RPG gaming that it fails at.
Then you have the setting, which is quite simply dull to look at. There's nothing beautiful about it whatsoever. Nothing that makes you feel like escaping into it. The people aren't nice to look at, there's absolutely nothing aesthetically pleasing about the buildings, the vast majority of the setting is extremely gloomy, and as I said, the graphics (which largely dictate how captivating the setting is) are quite dated.
The game's full of simplistic and pointless gameplay mechanics, from the ridiculous additions of snowballs that you could throw at each other to fireworks that mostly just piss everyone off. The battle gameplay's command based, and as such gets extremely boring given the sheer number of battle you go through as you traverse the game world or fulfill your quest objectives. The battle visuals, as I already stated, are extremely poor. And the celebrational seasons are quite simply lame and cheesy.
As I said, the game fails. Miserably. And whether or not you were there to witness the fact being established does nothing to change that the fact has been established. The game's ridiculous.
Um. Just so you know. Your opinion is not fact.
And most MMOs will tend to have graphics that are dated in comparison to most games. They're meant to be able to run on computers that aren't necessarily top of the line or if someone doesn't have a fast connection.
MMOs also tend to be more about the social aspect than the plot, anyway.
It's not just the graphics, it's the visual style of the game, and that's hardly an excuse.
And it's not an opinion; the measure of the quality of a game is largely defined by how well it compares to other games within its genre. And it fails in every way as an RPG. More so than almost any I can think of. There's absolutely no arguing that.
And MMOs are suppsoed to be social, but not at the expense of the plot. And WoW is exactly that, the majority of the players I came across didn't even pay attention to the plot, and just focused on the PvP elements and such.
The game's factually "ridiculous" (bear in mind the term ridiculous is relative and as such is variably defined by the person who uses it and the context it's used in).
Originally posted by ApolloCloud
It is, again, not an opinion, but a fact. That it's a fact doesn't need to be comprehended for it to remain a fact. And an MMORPG is still an RPG (just a massively multiplayer online kind of RPG), and as such is measured through the same relevant attributes.
Are you Catholic, or Republican? That would explain why you (incorrectly) equate opinion with fact.
No. The entire concept of an "opinion" is a myth that certain humans hide behind purely for the fact that they are quite simply incapable of reaching a definitive, logically valid conclusion given a certain availability of evidence and their own intelligence. Their brains quite simply fail to grasp the logic behind certain concepts, and being incapable of understanding it, rather than acknowledging their own fallibilities, choose to use terms like "opinion" and "subjective" to relieve themselves of the task of actually reaching something conclusive. I am not one of those humans cursed by such fallibilities. I can look at the failure of a piece of media that is WoW, analyse it from every angle, and evaluate its strengths and weaknesses in relation to other games in the genre, and as such am in a position to tell you that it lacks any real level of quality. That you're not capable of reaching something so definitive yourselves does not mean that it is entirely subjective, because it is not. World of Warcraft, relatively speaking, is an absolutely terrible game. Fact.
I think your major problem is that you hold an MMORPG to the same standards as a Single Player RPG. That makes little sense, they have very different standards. You seem to like Single Player Styled RPGs, fair enough, so do I, but it doesn't make WoW a horrible game. I am sure there are better reasons to objectively crticize WoW, but holding it by those standards is a bit ridiculous.