Thing vs Colossus

Originally posted by pr1983
A little thing colossus did...

while fighting the acolytes in the middle of a magnetic storm, colossus was in human form...

when the acolyte named kemal lifted him over his head, colossus turned to metal, therebey turning himself into a lightning rod and taking down all of the acolytes in one shot...

not great physical strength, but it showed he can use his head...

he also killed proteus... by using his metal skin to disrupt his energy...

he beat sasquatch in a one on one...

all impressive feats...

clap3 indeed

Originally posted by K3VIL
Thing isn't a challenge for Hulk.
He throw down with him for a minute, then the green goliath proceed into beat the crap outta him as usual.
Colossus was able to throw down with Gladiator and Juggernaut with more success than the poor Benji.
He showed acrobatic skills and agility against Juggernaut that the Thing certainly hasn't.
Colossus on the durability sector is also superior to him, cause he don't need to eat, sleep or breath, and his metallic body can even resist to adamantium claws of Wolverine, tough Logan hasn't got the strenght to cut Colossus, he has the strenght to cut Thing's rocky skin, it means it's less durable than Colossus organic metal.
Also, check this guys.
Pathetic
Look at the replies of Tony Stark and BenjaminJGrimm.
Look at how the make their replies and the settings of their avatar and names.
Tony Stark is a poor fanboy who even used two accounts to substain his arguments, then he strangely stopped after I discover it in that discussion.

😆 😆 😆 That's the best you can do.

Thats sad...

I can assure you that i only have and use 1 account.

Why would i need 2?

I only state the facts (as i see them) like everyone else does. If you or anybody else believes in the same direction of thought on a particular character as i do cool... If not...

oh well.

I'm right and they're wrong.

💃

By the way i can give you another 15 posters (people) that drop their thoughts the same way as i do.

I must have 15-20 accounts.

I'm a real busy boy.

p.s. They are both CL100.

THING > Colossus

Get over it.

Originally posted by Mainstream
clap3 indeed

All impressive, but only one has anything to do with strength.

Beating Sasquatch is impressive, as Sasquatch is probably as strong as Thing.

Maybe 😉

Originally posted by Tony Stark

THING > Colossus

purely opinion...

Originally posted by yahman
All impressive, but only one has anything to do with strength.

Beating Sasquatch is impressive, as Sasquatch is probably as strong as Thing.

Maybe 😉

well colossus didnt just beat him, he outthought him too...

Originally posted by pr1983
purely opinion...

well colossus didnt just beat him, he outthought him too...

He must be expecting the Nobel Prize sometime soon then ? 🙂

To be fair i dont think who kids comment was an excuse. I think it was quite a valid point. Colossus as a team member of the Xmen isnt going to have nearly as much time to shine as a member of the F4. The F4 are also more mainstream and involved with the other teams such as the avengers than the Xmen are in their role as outcasts(although that has changed somewhat as of late). So yes Thing has far more feats than Colossus but that can be explained and it is not down to him being stronger.

The Thing has been class 85 for many many years and there has been no mention of the thing being class 100 anywhere. Not even in the latest handbook. He is level 6 which supports him being class 85 still as that level encompasses class 75 to low level class 100. People who are in class 100 but are in level 6 have it stated in their bios that they are class 100 or that they can lift 100 tons just to differentiate them. For example Namors latest bio marks him out as a low level class 100. Colossus as level is also marked out as a low level class 100. Even in a few years back just before colossus' death he was class 100. It was stated in the Dorling and Kindereley Ultimate Guide to the Xmen. Yet theres no mention of Thing being class 100 in either the official handbook or even the F4 version of this guide which is an official Marvel product btw.

As for Thing beating colossus in an arm wrestle. That happened back in 1980 when colossus was but a teenager and was thus only class 70. Since he's full grown now he has obviously gotten stronger, however theres no mention whatsoever of Ben increasing from class 85 to low level class 100. (Ignore the numerical values attached to these levels they are very inaccurate with characters being able to lift way in excess of what their class suggests. But what they do serve as is an indicator of how the characters stand in the hierarchy.)

Colossus has also fared better against the Juggernaut and Gladiator than Thing has. That sone thing they have in common that we can use as a means to draw comparisons.

With all of this in mind everything points to Colossus being both stronger (although not by much) and also quite a bit more durable

Originally posted by yahman
He must be expecting the Nobel Prize sometime soon then ? 🙂

Don't be patronising... it doesnt help...

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As for Thing beating colossus in an arm wrestle. That happened back in 1980 when colossus was but a teenager and was thus only class 70. Since he's full grown now he has obviously gotten stronger, however theres no mention whatsoever of Ben increasing from class 85 to low level class 100. (Ignore the numerical values attached to these levels they are very inaccurate with characters being able to lift way in excess of what their class suggests. But what they do serve as is an indicator of how the characters stand in the hierarchy.)

Colossus has also fared better against the Juggernaut and Gladiator than Thing has. That sone thing they have in common that we can use as a means to draw comparisons.

With all of this in mind everything points to Colossus being both stronger (although not by much) and also quite a bit more durable

and kitty was in a skimpy outfit too... 😛

but yeah, i'd say colossus is more durable...

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
To be fair i dont think who kids comment was an excuse. I think it was quite a valid point. Colossus as a team member of the Xmen isnt going to have nearly as much time to shine as a member of the F4. The F4 are also more mainstream and involved with the other teams such as the avengers than the Xmen are in their role as outcasts(although that has changed somewhat as of late). So yes Thing has far more feats than Colossus but that can be explained and it is not down to him being stronger.

Oh well Colossus must be stronger then 🙄

The Thing has been class 85 for many many years and there has been no mention of the thing being class 100 anywhere. Not even in the latest handbook. He is level 6 which supports him being class 85 still as that level encompasses class 75 to low level class 100. People who are in class 100 but are in level 6 have it stated in their bios that they are class 100 or that they can lift 100 tons just to differentiate them. For example Namors latest bio marks him out as a low level class 100. Colossus as level is also marked out as a low level class 100. Even in a few years back just before colossus' death he was class 100. It was stated in the Dorling and Kindereley Ultimate Guide to the Xmen. Yet theres no mention of Thing being class 100 in either the official handbook or even the F4 version of this guide which is an official Marvel product btw.

Hanbook rubbish again. Ignore the Handbook!!!!!! Thing can lift way over 100 tons. E.G. Stopping Comuter train. Lifting Suspension bridge, Knocking Out Dragon man. Lifting Large part of the New York Sub way system, Constructing a sword out of a Skyskraper, Standing up after Doc Doom mad him a 100 x heavier.

As for Thing beating colossus in an arm wrestle. That happened back in 1980 when colossus was but a teenager and was thus only class 70. Since he's full grown now he has obviously gotten stronger, however theres no mention whatsoever of Ben increasing from class 85 to low level class 100. (Ignore the numerical values attached to these levels they are very inaccurate with characters being able to lift way in excess of what their class suggests. But what they do serve as is an indicator of how the characters stand in the hierarchy.)

Colossus has also fared better against the Juggernaut and Gladiator than Thing has. That sone thing they have in common that we can use as a means to draw comparisons.

In the fight with Hercules Thing was doing verry Well. Thing was also able to hurt Thanos. Thing has knocked over Galactus. When he went mad and he beat alot of the avengers, and hurt Thor. Wonder man can hurt Gladiator. And in the fight with Juggernaught, had his ass beaten.

With all of this in mind everything points to Colossus being both stronger (although not by much) and also quite a bit more durable

With all this in mind it points to Thing being stronger 😉

Originally posted by yahman
With all this in mind it points to Thing being stronger 😉

🙄 Come on son you know that isnt the case. I see you're increased time on these forums has brought with it a certain cockiness. Must you force my hand? If necessary i will whip you into shape.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
When did I mention a handbook at all?

Really? Where?

I'm basing this off of their feats. According to these, I believe that Colossus is indeed stronger.

And to answer your question pr, I'm pretty sure (throughout everything I've read up on him) Colossus weighs 1,000 lbs.

Per Secrets of the house of M Colossus is 6'6 250lbs normal 7'5 500lbs transformed. And it says that he can lift close to 85 tons under optimal conditions.

Originally posted by pr1983
Don't be patronising... it doesnt help...

and kitty was in a skimpy outfit too... 😛

but yeah, i'd say colossus is more durable...

Sorry if my superior whit is causing you so much grief.

innocent

Originally posted by yahman
Sorry if my superior whit is causing you so much grief.

innocent

Baiting is just as bad...

Hanbook rubbish again. Ignore the Handbook!!!!!! Thing can lift way over 100 tons. E.G. Stopping Comuter train. Lifting Suspension bridge, Knocking Out Dragon man. Lifting Large part of the New York Sub way system, Constructing a sword out of a Skyskraper, Standing up after Doc Doom mad him a 100 x heavier.

In the fight with Hercules Thing was doing verry Well. Thing was also able to hurt Thanos. Thing has knocked over Galactus. When he went mad and he beat alot of the avengers, and hurt Thor. Wonder man can hurt Gladiator. And in the fight with Juggernaught, had his ass .

With all this in mind it points to Thing being stronger 😉

Out with the old, in with the new. 🙂

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Per Secrets of the house of M Colossus is 6'6 250lbs normal 7'5 500lbs transformed. And it says that he can lift close to 85 tons under optimal conditions.

What you're forgetting is that the house of M is all created from Wandas mind. Its how she sees things how she remembers things, it is not the 616 reality its wandas reality imposed over it. Therefore the chaarcters are different theyre how Wanda sees or how she remembers them. That is the reason why Rogue according to Secrets of House of M is back to her standard powers even though we know she has recently acquired Sunfires powers and that is also why there is no mention of Emma Frost being able to turm into diamond form. Would Wanda be aware of all of theses developments? Nope

Originally posted by yahman
Hanbook rubbish again. Ignore the Handbook!!!!!! Thing can lift way over 100 tons. E.G. Stopping Comuter train. Lifting Suspension bridge, Knocking Out Dragon man. Lifting Large part of the New York Sub way system, Constructing a sword out of a Skyskraper, Standing up after Doc Doom mad him a 100 x heavier.

In the fight with Hercules Thing was doing verry Well. Thing was also able to hurt Thanos. Thing has knocked over Galactus. When he went mad and he beat alot of the avengers, and hurt Thor. Wonder man can hurt Gladiator. And in the fight with Juggernaught, had his ass .

With all this in mind it points to Thing being stronger 😉

Out with the old, in with the new. 🙂

Why should we ignore the handbook in favour of listening to you. Im sorry mate it really doesnt work like that. Ignoring the numerical values attched to the marvel levels (because characters are shown lifting wway in excess of what these numbers suggest) you still have a hierarchy for the marvel heroes. Colossus is class 100 and Thing is class 85. Simple as that.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Why should we ignore the handbook in favour of listening to you. Im sorry mate it really doesnt work like that. Ignoring the numerical values attched to the marvel levels (because characters are shown lifting wway in excess of what these numbers suggest) you still have a hierarchy for the marvel heroes. Colossus is class 100 and Thing is class 85. Simple as that.

You said so yourself, "Many characters display feats beyond the levels set by the handbooks" You used Rogue as an example. I know it was a day ago but try to remember. 😉

The comic book artists and writers ignore the Hand books.

There fore I do aswell !!!!!!! (U should do the same, if you are half as intelligent as you make yourself out be)

This is the comic book versus forum, Not the handbook versus forum. 🙂

Originally posted by yahman
You said so yourself, "Many characters display feats beyond the levels set by the handbooks" You used Rogue as an example. I know it was a day ago but try to remember. 😉

The comic book artists and writers ignore the Hand books.

There fore I do aswell !!!!!!! (U should do the same, if you are half as intelligent as you make yourself out be)

This is the comic book versus forum, Not the handbook versus forum. 🙂

The handbooks are merely there as a guideline. When the numerical values contained within are ignored they still serve as abn indicator to the hierarchys of the characters. If you want to ignore the handbooks then its up to you but the majority of the forum is against you on that one. You cant pick and choose which marvel sources you're going to use and acknowledge for debates and expect to particpate in debates properly. It doesnt work like that im afraid to inform you. The handbooks as stated themselves are to be used merely as guidelines, only a fool would take all aspects of them literally. Despite their failings in some areas they still prove very useful in others and as official products they have more credibility than you.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What you're forgetting is that the house of M is all created from Wandas mind. Its how she sees things how she remembers things, it is not the 616 reality its wandas reality imposed over it. Therefore the chaarcters are different theyre how Wanda sees or how she remembers them. That is the reason why Rogue according to Secrets of House of M is back to her standard powers even though we know she has recently acquired Sunfires powers and that is also why there is no mention of Emma Frost being able to turm into diamond form. Would Wanda be aware of all of theses developments? Nope

I'm aware of that.

And i guess If that was the case. Then you would think that as an active member and an ex-leader of The Worlds Mightiest Heroes The Avengers.

She's had to do a lot of stats and strats and homework on both characters Hero/Villain alike.

That being said I've got to assume that all stats are correct.

Or why would anybody have any stats at all.

Is she just assuming these characters have such in such powers?

Whatever they are. I don't think so.

I think she knows whats going on with the abilities of the characters.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The handbooks are merely there as a guideline. When the numerical values contained within are ignored they still serve as abn indicator to the hierarchys of the characters. If you want to ignore the handbooks then its up to you but the majority of the forum is against you on that one. You cant pick and choose which marvel sources you're going to use and acknowledge for debates and expect to particpate in debates properly. It doesnt work like that im afraid to inform you. The handbooks as stated themselves are to be used merely as guidelines, only a fool would take all aspects of them literally. Despite their failings in some areas they still prove very useful in others and as official products they have more credibility than you.

Ahh see i meant to ignore the handbooks all together. Just there Numerical values. Stop jumping the gun.

As you said a FOOL would take all aspects of them literally.

"Ignoring the numerical values attched to the marvel levels (because characters are shown lifting wway in excess of what these numbers suggest) you still have a hierarchy for the marvel heroes. Colossus is class 100 and Thing is class 85. Simple as that."

Please note also that Dragon man is at Class 100 and Thing Knocked him out with one Punch.

Only a Fool heh ? 😉

Originally posted by yahman
Ahh see i meant to ignore the handbooks all together. Just there Numerical values. Stop jumping the gun.

As you said a FOOL would take all aspects of them literally.

"Ignoring the numerical values attched to the marvel levels (because characters are shown lifting wway in excess of what these numbers suggest) you still have a hierarchy for the marvel heroes. Colossus is class 100 and Thing is class 85. Simple as that."

Please note also that Dragon man is at Class 100 and Thing Knocked him out with one Punch.

Only a Fool heh ? 😉

😎