Originally posted by hermes8
Can anyone tell me why the don't belive in creation?
It isn't always a matter of creation. At least not in the traditional sense of the concept. It is sometimes more a belief that the rule of god need not be applied; especially when it is enforced by those that only believe in what they have been told about life and creation. Take creation into consideration, by traditional creationists, and you'll find that the rules implied by the bible do not apply. I believe in a greater good, but not in one with such human characteristics. Believe in the bible all you want, but if I don't, then explain to me how thats your buisness? The ramifications are clear cut, and hardly your responsability. The choice is mine. Hence, free will.
Can't we all just get along?
Oh, wait. Religious v. Scientific thought.
Scrap that.
Here's my $0.02...
You see, there were these guys.. Miller and Urey...
After 1 week, they found that 10%-15% of their original solution had been combined into organic compounds. Additionally, 2% had been combined into Amino Acids, aka "Building Blocks of Life."
This was conducted over one week's time.
With a small amount of electricity compared to, say, lightning.
In a miniscule area compared to the probable area that similar conditions existed on Earth.
For me, this isn't proof positive of evolution. However, it's closer to that then anything I've seen from the creationists.
The way I see it, there's the bible, which is obviously open to interpretation. And then there's the empirical method of science, which is in no way open to interpretation. Either you can reproduce an outcome, or your theory is a theory.
I'll start considering weighing the two when I get a voicemail from god or something.
evolution...
for those who question the origins of separate organs in lifeforms first need to look at the evidence for microorganisms...hence do some reading on endosymbiotic theory and the evidence for it with regard to prokaryotic cell structure and its similarities will eukaryotic cell organelle structure
i also find the amount of pro creationist web sites that attack the use of carbon dating...they all state that the carbon 14 isotope "only has a half life of 5300 years and so cant date ancient fossils accurately"...well 5300 years is older than the earth is supposed to be according to creationists anyway...so it kind of makes the "god made the earth 4000 years ago or however long pretty much obselete
not to mention that carbon dating isn't even the primary method of dating sample anyway...and in fact there are uranium 235, potassium 40,uranium 238, thorium 232 and rubidium 87 which are all tried and tested methods of dating fossils...and several of which have a half life of several million years
have to go now...will post more later
A lot of creationists believe that the earth/universe is as old as 6000-10,000 years old. I remember hearing about some theologist who figured out exactly how great a time period the Bible covered by adding up people's life spans and etc... You have a point but I'm fairly sure it was longer than 5300 years. And no, I'm not a creationist. 😉
Yeah well considering in the beginning of the old testament people were said to live 700 or 800 years, and this went on for generations, I would guess that the world would be much older than 5,000 years according to the Bible. But I think the reason they said that people lived that many "years" is because they measured years differently back then, so really the bible can't be too accurate of a time line.
yeah...strange that...ive often heard that reason of "time" and the way it was measured in ye olde days
i also noticed that there are hundreds of web sites that are supposedly creationisnt web sites...yet all of them argue against evolution as opposed to FOR creationism...
i've never seen one yet that puts tested scientific evidence for the existance of god or proof for any of the events that happened in the bible
Originally posted by jaden101
...i've never seen one yet that puts tested scientific evidence for the existance of god or proof for any of the events that happened in the bible
I'd guess, it's just a shot in the dark, that there isn't any.
But there will always be people who will say "LOOK AT THIS GEOLOGICAL STRATA!! THERE WAS A FLOOD!" or "WE FOUND METAL ON THIS MOUNTAIN, ITS NOAH'S ARK!!"
However, anyone who might dabble in rationality would look at such arguments and say "well, floods do happen from time to time..." or "I find metal all over at the beach, did Noah land there too?"
I'd like to bury some pig iron on a mountaintop... you know, hoax-ify the whole thing.
that "metal on the mountain"-thing is now a few years old already and still no one has taken the effort to go give it a closer look...says enough about it
and that of flood, that's narrowmindness of the person him/herself, cause history acknowledge there were several big floods, you can see that by simply looking at the stories about stuff like "the creation of the orca" or the story about the inca's etc., just not one big all over the world at the same time
Originally posted by julibug
You do know that Darwin even abondoned his theories later in life, right? Besides, it is just that - a theory. So, why not teach both evolution and creation as theories. They both have some scientific data backing them.
I think that you misunderstand the use of the word theory in science. It's a set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.
As far as creationism goes, a theory in that case is an assumption based on limited information or knowledge.
By the way, those are lifted straight from the dictionary. 😛
Well I commit to come here frequently. One little thing about the Miller experiment, after a few steps you can recall selection or the fact that you are leaving the initial conditions, so it's easier to came with more "advanced" configurations.
And, YES, the theory issue its kinda boring, we are talking about facts.
I'm kinda sure you have mentioned parsimony, if not, for the one to previoulsly ask "Can anyone..." check this therm at