evolution

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I just wanted people to read it.

If there is no evolution, were did the teeth come from?

DUH! Baby Jesus put them there to test your faith!

Actually, a lot of creatures born from eggs have an egg tooth, but that is mostly reptiles. At least in the cases I've heard. So, dinosaurs were born with an egg tooth and so are modern reptiles. But, I don't think I've ever heard of it in creatures with beaks. I could be wrong.

Anyway, I DO think this is a small bit of evidence for evolution. However, when I said evidence was subjective, I'm sure there are ways creationists and ID supporters could spin it. Like saying that prehumans had f*cking rickets to explain the differences in their skeletal structures.

It always strikes me as funny how creationists use genetic defects to disporve evolution, and then turn around and totally deny genetic adaptability to govern evolution.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
holy crap, you just love to stir it up don't you?

not really, not as much as you do. Like you're trying to do now.

is it comprehensible.....

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
maybe you shouldn't have brought it up as I was trying to end it myself, don't be a hypocrite. Evolve yourself first.

is it comprehensible.....

What are you talking about? I just found a good article. 😛

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
DUH! Baby Jesus put them there to test your faith!

Actually, a lot of creatures born from eggs have an egg tooth, but that is mostly reptiles. At least in the cases I've heard. So, dinosaurs were born with an egg tooth and so are modern reptiles. But, I don't think I've ever heard of it in creatures with beaks. I could be wrong.

Anyway, I DO think this is a small bit of evidence for evolution. However, when I said evidence was subjective, I'm sure there are ways creationists and ID supporters could spin it. Like saying that prehumans had f*cking rickets to explain the differences in their skeletal structures.

It always strikes me as funny how creationists use genetic defects to disporve evolution, and then turn around and totally deny genetic adaptability to govern evolution.

Or deny evolution, and then use modern medicines that fight influenza and the common cold...both which are viruses which evolve rapidly. Therefore, the medicines they used are entirly based on evolution.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Or deny evolution, and then use modern medicines that fight influenza and the common cold...both which are viruses which evolve rapidly. Therefore, the medicines they used are entirly based on evolution.

And how the hell does this prove macro-evolution? Viruses always remain viruses, regardless of how much they adapt. Unless you all can prove the ability of a virus to "evolve" into something other than a "virus", Neo Darwinism is just another quack pot theory, which is destined to go the way of flat earth, spontaneous generation(which Modern Evolutionary theory still supports btw), and all of other pseudo scientific theories of this age.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
(which Modern Evolutionary theory still supports btw),

That is bullshit, and you know it. This theory is only supported by crap church websites that will use any theory, past or present, to disprove evolution. God, you can't be that stubborn and close-minded.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
And how the hell does this prove macro-evolution? Viruses always remain viruses, regardless of how much they adapt. Unless you all can prove the ability of a virus to "evolve" into something other than a "virus", Neo Darwinism is just another quack pot theory, which is destined to go the way of flat earth, spontaneous generation(which Modern Evolutionary theory still supports btw), and all of other pseudo scientific theories of this age.

Tch, tch, tch. Modern Evolution does not support spontaneous evolution (I have a feeling we have talked about this before.) And it's funny you should mention "flat earth" - tell me, which organisation hung onto that belief despite all the evidence to the opposites? What, the Church? Why I never. The difference is the Church had no proof to back up it's claim, scientists do.

Did you know what the closest relative of the dugong (manatee) is? The elephant. You can look at it's genes, at it's skeleton, and you can see how close they are. Just like an elephant went for a swim one day and decided to stay, and changed to suit that environment. Scientists can see the relationship between a land based mammal and a sea one - and can connect them both to a another common ancestor - which diverged into the two species.

And evolution isn't just about changing from one thing to another. It's not about a pigeon suddenly turning into a tree - it's about genetic changes over time as well. Bacteria, the virus - they evolve. The bird flu at the moment - big danger is that it will change and become easily spreadable to humans. It doesn't have to turn into the poodle in order to be classified as evolving - the fact it changes is enough.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
And evolution isn't just about changing from one thing to another. It's not about a pigeon suddenly turning into a tree - it's about genetic changes over time as well. Bacteria, the virus - they evolve. The bird flu at the moment - big danger is that it will change and become easily spreadable to humans. It doesn't have to turn into the poodle in order to be classified as evolving - the fact it changes is enough.

You always have such friggin awesome posts!

I was going to type something similar to that. Somehow certain people don't understand that there are two types of evolution, and i forget their names, AP Bio class was almost 2 years ago. Anyway, one is where one species splits and a certain number of them evolve into an entirely different species, (monkies to humans of course) and then where one species breaks off into a different version of the same species of animal. The original Finches that Darwin studied for example. Or using the Elephant example, the African Elephant and the Asian Elephant.

There are over 500 different versions of the common cold virus, and nearly as many for influenza, and they're changing a little every day. And the reason for the difficulty for providing a vaccine for HIV/AIDS is that it changes for every person, once inside the body it goes under rapid changes and adapts to that specific person. How do you make an artifical medicine that changes along with the disease so you can stop it?

Originally posted by whobdamandog
And how the hell does this prove macro-evolution? Viruses always remain viruses, regardless of how much they adapt. Unless you all can prove the ability of a virus to "evolve" into something other than a "virus", Neo Darwinism is just another quack pot theory, which is destined to go the way of flat earth, spontaneous generation(which Modern Evolutionary theory still supports btw), and all of other pseudo scientific theories of this age.

But you are accepting evolution, inviruses and bacteria, as fact, right? Single celled organisms through processes of sympiotic behavior and over great periods of time reacted with other single celled organsms to create multicellulor organisms. This occured likely to advantages they would gain in their envirnment by bonding with one another. One of the many reasons thing evolve and why life grows is due to the resources available to that organism. If two organisms discover that by working together they both gain an advantage maybe over competition in their envirnment they will continue to work together. This is just the beginining of micro organisms evolving into something larger organisms. Over many millions of years aquatic lifeforms evolved, than amphibians, etc. This process is very long and a person can't understand it in one day. But that's the problem people want an easy answer. Something that takes an hour to explain. How can you explain ini an hour what has happened the last 2 and half billion years? It's pretty obvious you can't unless you are that guy who used to be on those micromachine commericals. Just kidding. But, to undrstand evolution you need to think about the processes that dictate life and our universe. Reading a 4-inch book that's mostly filled with names of people isn't going to give you a lot of that information.
Also, think about one thing. Dinosaurs. They aren't mentioned in the bible anywhere, but they were here. Explain that and don't tell me God put them here to test our faith. I suppose God put the processes of gene transfer here as well, to test our faith.
Maybe god did create the atoms and quarks that make up everything ibut to say that God made us in one day or that or that God is one our side is just being ****ing ignorant. Please for the sake of us all go read something other than what ever the hell you are reading right now.

I am surprised Georgia went that route... I expect it from Mississippi, but not a more civilized area like GA.

Originally posted by meep-meep
But you are accepting evolution, inviruses and bacteria, as fact, right? Single celled organisms through processes of sympiotic behavior and over great periods of time reacted with other single celled organsms to create multicellulor organisms. This occured likely to advantages they would gain in their envirnment by bonding with one another. One of the many reasons thing evolve and why life grows is due to the resources available to that organism. If two organisms discover that by working together they both gain an advantage maybe over competition in their envirnment they will continue to work together. This is just the beginining of micro organisms evolving into something larger organisms. Over many millions of years aquatic lifeforms evolved, than amphibians, etc. This process is very long and a person can't understand it in one day. But that's the problem people want an easy answer. Something that takes an hour to explain. How can you explain ini an hour what has happened the last 2 and half billion years? It's pretty obvious you can't unless you are that guy who used to be on those micromachine commericals. Just kidding. But, to undrstand evolution you need to think about the processes that dictate life and our universe. Reading a 4-inch book that's mostly filled with names of people isn't going to give you a lot of that information.
Also, think about one thing. Dinosaurs. They aren't mentioned in the bible anywhere, but they were here. Explain that and don't tell me God put them here to test our faith. I suppose God put the processes of gene transfer here as well, to test our faith.
Maybe god did create the atoms and quarks that make up everything ibut to say that God made us in one day or that or that God is one our side is just being ****ing ignorant. Please for the sake of us all go read something other than what ever the hell you are reading right now.

You have an exultant post; however, I have found the main stumbling block for someone like whob is many Christians believe that the Earth is only 6,000 years old.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You have an exultant post; however, I have found the main stumbling block for someone like whob is many Christians believe that the Earth is only 6,000 years old.

ahh...you see they get around the ol' "earth was made in 7 days but a day to god is longer than a day to man"

i guess the same would apply to years

a "god year" probably last about 500,000,000 years to us mere mortals

Originally posted by jaden101
ahh...you see they get around the ol' "earth was made in 7 days but a day to god is longer than a day to man"

i guess the same would apply to years

a "god year" probably last about 500,000,000 years to us mere mortals

That is not how most of the Christians that I know, see it. It says a day is like 1,000 years to god, in the bible. So the Earth is between 6 and 7 thousand years old. Not that I believe that.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You have an exultant post; however, I have found the main stumbling block for someone like whob is many Christians believe that the Earth is only 6,000 years old.

Yeah, I know. I think many Christians just want an easy answer for everything in life. I don't intend to insult them, but they really need to undertand that since we are human that doesn't mean we have spoecial rules that apply only to us. Last time I checked had a lot in common with dogs, chimps, etc. People die just the same. Theyh are worng in thinking that they are superior to everything around them that isn't human.

Originally posted by meep-meep
Yeah, I know. I think many Christians just want an easy answer for everything in life. I don't intend to insult them, but they really need to undertand that since we are human that doesn't mean we have spoecial rules that apply only to us. Last time I checked had a lot in common with dogs, chimps, etc. People die just the same. Theyh are worng in thinking that they are superior to everything around them that isn't human.

This myopic mind set is like a prison cell without a door. They cannot enjoy the heaven that Earth is, as long as they are, superior, above and beyond its simple splendor. So feel free to shake them, the worst you can do is wake them.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
This myopic mind set is like a prison cell without a door. They cannot enjoy the heaven that Earth is, as long as they are, superior, above and beyond its simple splendor. So feel free to shake them, the worst you can do is wake them.

That was very eloquently said. I couldn't agree more but it's really hard to have a meaningful short discusion with them. I often find the don't budge for awhile but when they do they become uncomfortable, irritated , and sometimes angry. The important thing is though is that when trying to discuss evolution with a creationist yoy shouldn't become angry at their stubbornness. You just have to keep pluggin away and hope they get it. You know what? I betcha I sound just like a christian missionary talking about how to spread god's message except from the other side of the ideological spectrum. Well, at least I got facts and scientific evidence to back me up. 😉

Originally posted by meep-meep
That was very eloquently said. I couldn't agree more but it's really hard to have a meaningful short discusion with them. I often find the don't budge for awhile but when they do they become uncomfortable, irritated , and sometimes angry. The important thing is though is that when trying to discuss evolution with a creationist yoy shouldn't become angry at their stubbornness. You just have to keep pluggin away and hope they get it. You know what? I betcha I sound just like a christian missionary talking about how to spread god's message except from the other side of the ideological spectrum. Well, at least I got facts and scientific evidence to back me up. 😉

It is one of the great marvels of the human mind that a person can rationalize away anything, anything, including Proof, Logic and Common Sense, if they are not consistent with his/her worldview. This is especially so if they are commited to a POV which makes them feel like the "enlightened underdog." It is truly fascinating, in some ways almost frightening, to watch their minds at work, selectively responding to what they feel they can counter with "proof" and "logic" of their own; selectively ignore what sends their POV into a tailspin; and sometimes watch them just repeat the same defenses over and over like automatons. It has been my experience that, unless that person is ready to hear the counterpoints, your persistence only makes them dig their heels in even more.

No disrespect intended regarding these individuals. They can be extraordinarily wonderful people. But whatever worldview they are commited to, they have placed the fishbowl over their heads, snapped it shut, locked it in place and have thrown away the key.

Originally posted by Darth Revan
I think it's really stupid that Georgia banned teaching about evolution in school, the fact is, there is a ton of stuff in the natural world that can't be explained without evolution

What do y'all think about it

when I look at creation I think, how the hell can this be science? It seems made up. If their was a creator, who created him? Why did he only make one world, who made him?

The big difference is: Evolution changes as we learn more making more and more sense as we go along. Creationism is one easy answer that hasn't really explained anything except the bible is right and science is wrong. That's why I like evolution.

All right arachnoidfreak you said you would answer all my questions

Darwin's theory about "Common ancestry" claimed all living things originated from one single common ancestor, and it took all it's varieties from a series of tiny changes so in other words life originated in simple common forms. According to Darwinism, One phylum must first emerge and then the other phylum must come about through minute changes over very long periods of time yet quite the contrary animals have been different and complex since they emerged. All animal the animal phyla known today originated at the same time during the middle of the Cambrian age, the period of abrupt appearances would be the Cambrian explosion which lasted for a short geological time 5 million years before then there is no record of anything but single celled organisms and primitive multicellular organisms all the phyla emerged completely formed and completely varied the organisms range from snails, sponges, trilobites, jellyfish, starfish etc. These organisms posses complex organs such as eye's, gills, and circulatory system, Which are exactly the same as those in modern systems, These structures are at one in the same time very advance and very different.

My question is how the earth came to overflow with such a large variety of complex creatures with no common ancestry?

One of the creatures which suddenly emerged in the Cambrian Age was Hallucigenia, And as with many other Cambrian fossils, it has spines or a hard shell to protect it from attack by enemies. The question that evolutionists cannot answer is, "How could they have come by such an effective defense system at a time when there were no predators around?" The lack of predators at the time makes it impossible to explain the matter in terms of natural selection.