evolution

Originally posted by Da preacher
What's the difference between ID and creationism?

Six verses.

So they're practically the same? Just another name?

I was being silly. Difference with Creation and difference with ID is the latter claims to be scientific in nature, while the former is straight religious reasons.

Originally posted by Da preacher
What's the difference between ID and creationism?

ID is a code word for Christianity.

Originally posted by Wesker
Six verses.

Is that like six degrees of seperation?

So, they're both Will Smith movies with frontal nudity...interesting.

Actually ID should include all sorts of Theories while Creationist is only the Old Testament one.....that'S what I heard at least.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Actually ID should include all sorts of Theories while Creationist is only the Old Testament one.....that'S what I heard at least.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I agree, it should have all creation stories included, but it only has the Christian story.

What? Why? Where? When? I think the definition actually is all of themm...is it not?

Originally posted by Bardock42
What? Why? Where? When? I think the definition actually is all of themm...is it not?

No, just ask an ID supporter what it is all about and you will only get the Christian view. 😄

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No, just ask an ID supporter what it is all about and you will only get the Christian view. 😄

Oh, but that's different. They are wrong....ID is actually more than just the Christian view....

Originally posted by Bardock42
Oh, but that's different. They are wrong....ID is actually more than just the Christian view....

Technically you are correct. But here in the US the some Christian groups are using it as a wedge to get Christian teaching into the schools.

Under the strict definition of ID, if you believe as I do, that evolution is the hand of God creating the world, than that would be ID also.

no more creationists? damnit.

DA preacher> ID does not claim the world and Universe was created 6000 years ago as Creationists do. ID accept evolution, but claims that some kind of intelligence must be behind it. A Christian intelligence (aka God) of course.

You can read more about ID here http://www.skepdic.com/intelligentdesign.html

And here's an excellent page on the logic fallacy of "argument by design" http://www.skepdic.com/design.html

Problem with ID is that it is a possibility though....I mean hard to give evidence that contradict it if they just roll with the punch....

Bardock> Lack of evidence to the contrary is NEVER evidence FOR. 🙂

If you read the page on ID, you'll see that Darwin's theory doesn't concern itself with whether or not God exists. Evolution as a scientific theory simply does not REQUIRE a God to work, so why assume more than is needed (Occam's razor)?

Originally posted by julibug
You do know that Darwin even abondoned his theories later in life, right? Besides, it is just that - a theory. So, why not teach both evolution and creation as theories. They both have some scientific data backing them.

In the UK today a science teachers union has formed to halt plans for teaching creationism in science classes. The Archbishop of Canterbury agrees with these teaches that creationism should not be taught in the science lab but in the RE class. However things are very different over here in terms of religion than they are over in evangelical America.

Originally posted by The Omega
Bardock> Lack of evidence to the contrary is NEVER evidence FOR. 🙂

If you read the page on ID, you'll see that Darwin's theory doesn't concern itself with whether or not God exists. Evolution as a scientific theory simply does not REQUIRE a God to work, so why assume more than is needed (Occam's razor)?

Occam's Razor should be the First Commandment of science or something.

Originally posted by The Omega
Bardock> Lack of evidence to the contrary is NEVER evidence FOR. 🙂

If you read the page on ID, you'll see that Darwin's theory doesn't concern itself with whether or not God exists. Evolution as a scientific theory simply does not REQUIRE a God to work, so why assume more than is needed (Occam's razor)?

Oh I agree with that,....that'S why I am agnostic...but if someone claims that the earth is 6000 years old...well there is evidence against it...but if someone claims that what science says is right, just that some being made it that way....you can really just say, "well, I suppose it could...leave me alone."

Einstein: Science without Religion is lame, Religion without science is blind

Perhaps we should teach evolution and creationism in schools?

Originally posted by Lana
Yeah, and your response was bullshit. Anyone who's taken a high school bio class would agree with my call about your response as well.

How was it bs, Lactose intolerants is a pre exsiting trait it was not added by mutations, it's called "Genetic varations"

Like I said no proof give me:

1.An experiment that prove mutations add traits to the gene pool

2. And the scientist name.

And sorry about the triple post.