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Metaphysics is a tool to find the truths behind the mind? Who told you that? That is not necessarily true at all. Why do people keep mis-defining metaphysics?

Metaphysics is simply any attempt to describe the fundamental nature of existence. Scientists do that just as much as philosophers. To quote David Chalmers:

"Where physics is concerned with the microscopic processes that underlie macroscopic reality, metaphysics is concerned with the fundamental nature of reality. A metaphysical hypothesis might make a claim about the reality that underlies physics itself. Alternatively, it might say something about the nature of our minds, or the creation of our world. "

writings that are full of both theology and philosophy .

should read writings that are full of both theology and philosophy faults. sorry for that little blunder

Well, finti since you found the faults that means you prolly know the counter arguments of Erigena's arguments. Please share them with us. If you consider that Erigena writtings are naive then what are his errors? They are simple arguments about creation.

If you consider that Erigena writtings are naive then what are his errors?

you found the faults that means you prolly know the counter arguments of Erigena's arguments.

They are simple arguments about creation

WindDancer> Well, then perhaps you should take the time to look over your posts and make sure they’re readable AND understandable before you post them.
But please do remind me of the difference between the truth and the ultimate truth.

Theology? Ah, but that is not all of philosophy. I’m sorry, but philosophy can and does exist without theology, I don’t know if you’re aware of that. How can you investigate knowledge by investigating the mind of religious believers? You may as well investigate the mind of people who believe in alien abductions or flying saucers or other culturally accepted delusions.

“They are not creating fictional characters.” I’m sorry, but they are. If you cannot prove someone has existed and you believe they have – you’re delusional.

”Somehow they are searching for their creator.” To me it looks like they need a meaning with their lives. That they cannot handle the ultimate freedom of finding one by themselves, they may’ve been ”brainwashed” into believing, who knows?

”Because Metaphysics is a tool to find truths behind the mind.” Sorry, no, you’re wrong. Metaphysics – by involving things that can NOT be proven – is an attempt at explaining. Nothing more.

The Force> Patience is a virtue, huh? What about keeping a promise?

All> So, I hear rumours about arguments supporting Creation? Let us see them… (rubs hands).

Originally posted by finti
his errors is that he is naive, but as an example is his doctrine of that evi is non existent.

True, he was naive in that sense regarding evil. Then again, he was a monk dedicated to the writtings of the Greeks. So he hardly had time to go out of the monastery to look at the real world. 😉

Originally posted by finti
Even though he was a very scholared man for his time he actually very much reproduced the essential traits of Neo-Platonic philosophy when he came to constructed his own system of thought

Yes, he was mostly influenced by Neo-Platonic, but it is also belive that he had some of Boethius ideas in his writtings. Anyways, what I like about his creation theory is the way he interpreits (sp?) The Division of Nature. When he talks about the division of nature, he has in mind the ways in which the whole of reality, God and creatures, is divided. In addition, the word division has special meaning in his philosophy. According to Erigena there are two ways of understanding the structure of reality: one is by division and the other by analysis. By division he means moving from the more universal to the less universal, as when one divides substance into corporeal and incorporeal. In turn incorporeal can be divided into living and inanimate, and so on. I know it doesn't sound simple, but there is plenty of points that he makes that later on St. Aquinas compiles in his Summa theologica. 🙂

The Force> When you finish when Erigena, I suggest you check out St. Augustine's doctrine of the created world. Is called Creatio Ex Nihilo. 😄

Then again, he was a monk dedicated to the writtings of the Greeks

The Force> When you finish when Erigena,

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sorry what's this chat aboutwavey

read it and you will find out

(Looks around)
STILL no proof of creationism? Well well well...

So is the missing link still missing? 💃

Originally posted by The Omega
WindDancer> Well, then perhaps you should take the time to look over your posts and make sure they’re readable AND understandable before you post them.
But please do remind me of the difference between the truth and the ultimate truth.

Theology? Ah, but that is not all of philosophy. I’m sorry, but philosophy can and does exist without theology, I don’t know if you’re aware of that. How can you investigate knowledge by investigating the mind of religious believers? You may as well investigate the mind of people who believe in alien abductions or flying saucers or other culturally accepted delusions.

“They are not creating fictional characters.” I’m sorry, but they are. If you cannot prove someone has existed and you believe they have – you’re delusional.

”Somehow they are searching for their creator.” To me it looks like they need a meaning with their lives. That they cannot handle the ultimate freedom of finding one by themselves, they may’ve been ”brainwashed” into believing, who knows?

”Because Metaphysics is a tool to find truths behind the mind.” Sorry, no, you’re wrong. Metaphysics – by involving things that can NOT be proven – is an attempt at explaining. Nothing more.

The Force> Patience is a virtue, huh? What about keeping a promise?

All> So, I hear rumours about arguments supporting Creation? Let us see them… (rubs hands).

shutup, i said i said i have patience, i don't have all that much free time, geez, also there that procrastination fact, anyways, i'm up to number 15 on the questions so bear with me, because i've got to go, and i'll either finish them tomorrow or late tonight

this year or 2006???? 📖 🍺

well, you can have some drinks in the mean time fint, just wait a tad longer

Originally posted by The Force
shutup, i said i said i have patience, i don't have all that much free time, geez, also there that procrastination fact, anyways, i'm up to number 15 on the questions so bear with me, because i've got to go, and i'll either finish them tomorrow or late tonight

Isn't ANGER a deadly sin?
Anyways... You've placed yourself in this situation, since it's taken you three months to reply. It took ME 30 minutes to reply to your first post.
Evolution is OBVIOUSLY so much clearer and to the point...

Finti> 😆

Yerssot> Are they on you?

yes, it is 😄 together with Pride, Envy, Gluttony, Lust, Greed and Sloth
but seriously TO... I know some religious people (even on this board) that have done these sins...

sorry... erm... on me? 😖

Yerssot> The drinks?

oh, of course, always up for that
*searches money*