evolution

Originally posted by The Omega
Darth Revan> But…
(faints!)

Biological evolution is a change in the genetic characteristics of a population over time. That this happens is a fact.
Biological evolution also refers to the common descent of living organisms from shared ancestors. The evidence for historical evolution -- genetic, fossil, anatomical, etc. -- is so overwhelming that it is also considered a fact. The theory of evolution describes the mechanisms that cause evolution. So evolution is both a fact and a theory.
There’s absolutely zero evidence for creationism.
Man! What’s happening to the so-called civilised world?? What, are we going to go back to the Christian world-view anno 1000? Aka Earth as the centre of the Universe?

Actually, the only things that mutations do is stabilize generations, not create evolved organisms.
There is no evidence that this sort of evolution happens.

NOT over time, see, men exist like 15.000 years, right? why did the romans look exactly the same as we do?
after 2.500 years? well thats like a sixth of the time in which the human "resulted" of apes.
And how can we know (look at my current sig) that a human with a different skull would have had a fur?

Originally posted by Darth Revan
'fraid not.

What was Darwin wrong about that evolutionists admit to?

cant remember 😛 🙄

i am reading http://www.darwinismrefuted.com now

nooooo we've been around for longer than that...

The reason the Romans look relatively the same as we do is because it's only been a couple thousand years... It takes a lot longer than that for major change to occur within a species.

how come we first appeared 65.000 years ago???

okok its a bit more 😛

Define been around. Do you mean Homo Sapian or Homo Erectus or just the Homo Section of the animal world?

I mean the genus Homo. Even if I meant Homo Sapiens, modern man has existed for longer than 15,000 years.

I wasnt talking to you DR but to eezy

oh, sorry 😮

No problemo.
Now I was reading back a bit and I heard Genisis being used as proof. Now can you tell me exactly why Genisis is more right than say the Aztec creation story of Quetzaqotal(Sp?) creating the Universe. Or the Egyptian Creation story? And if you look at the beginning of the Bible (Or at least the one I have) There is a diagram of what they believed to be the earth. It shows the earth as flat with hell being below it and heaven right outside the atmosophere. Now If we can prove that wrong, and we most definitly can. Why makes anythign else true?
Or the Story of Noah. That story is a direct Rip of an ancient mesopotamian story. Exactly the same. Flooding the world 40 days and 40 nights. sending out a bird. The whole nine yards! And this was writtem mellenia before the Bible! The entire Old Testament can pretty much be proved false! It's the basic Ancient God story with the majority of the storys echoed throught history.

I know, that's exactly what I think. A document or other article can't be used as proof of itself. Christian Creation is just one of probably thousands of other creation myths. It was made up to explain what was once unexplicable.

Which creation story was it that required the routine sacrifices to an hypothetical many mouthed monster? 😕

Aztec but it wasn't creation. The believed that they needed that for the continuation of the existance of the world.

Originally posted by Tptmanno1
No problemo.
Now I was reading back a bit and I heard Genisis being used as proof. Now can you tell me exactly why Genisis is more right than say the Aztec creation story of Quetzaqotal(Sp?) creating the Universe. Or the Egyptian Creation story? And if you look at the beginning of the Bible (Or at least the one I have) There is a diagram of what they believed to be the earth. It shows the earth as flat with hell being below it and heaven right outside the atmosophere. Now If we can prove that wrong, and we most definitly can. Why makes anythign else true?
Or the Story of Noah. That story is a direct Rip of an ancient mesopotamian story. Exactly the same. Flooding the world 40 days and 40 nights. sending out a bird. The whole nine yards! And this was writtem mellenia before the Bible! The entire Old Testament can pretty much be proved false! It's the basic Ancient God story with the majority of the storys echoed throught history.

actually, yet the greek and the arabians 2500 years ago or earlier knew that the earth is a... "Ball"

That doesn't answer the question of how the book of Genesis can be used as proof of itself.

Originally posted by eezy45
actually, yet the greek and the arabians 2500 years ago or earlier knew that the earth is a... "Ball"

Originally posted by Tptmanno1
What relavance does that have?
All I'm trying to prove is that when the book on Genisis was written the knowlage of the world and many many other things was very narrow. Therefore Usin the book of Genisis as proof of anything is not reliable

i know i cant take it word by word

otherwise god would have sticked a whole in the sky to commence the deluge... lol

and God would have also created the universe out of thin air, and that was twelve thousand years ago, and it is still in exactly the same state as it was then, if you believe anything Genesis says. 🙄

Eezy45> “as little as a few hundred years.” Not less than a 100 years.

And go read this http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/mitoeve.html and THEN claim we all descended from 30 women.

About the so-called polystrate fossils. You do know that those claims are SO outdated it hurts? http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/polystrate/trees.html

Mutation does a LOT more than stabilise generations. It can give rise to new traits in a species -–and there is evidence. What is the evidence that God created anything I may ask?

”NOT over time, see, men exist like 15.000 years, right?” Wrong, humans have existed for millions of years. We evolved through homo erectus to como sapiens and that took a very long time.
”why did the romans look exactly the same as we do?” Because evolution takes a little longer than 2000 years. And we have changed. Europeans have gotten taller – on an average over the pats centuries.

Agent Elrond> Oh, the imaginary unit? Okay, and what were we talking about again? 🙂

I'm curious about something.. I'll give the example of the first big killer whale-fish.. don't remember what it was called, what I do remember though is that it was the biggest predator of it's time, some 10000 years ago. My question is : How can such a creature have evolved from a sort of big dog, that aside, I can see why, but how could it have suddenly turned into the killer thing, for certainly, had it taken longer it would've surely been wiped out by the already strong predators, I don't see..
I always saw evolution as a long term, time consuming process.. 1000 of years like.. That's what puzzles me, how can anybody say it's adaptation, b/c most likely, u'd be dead before u adapt... unless the mutations occur very drastically, on a generation basis..

Hm...sorry if I don't make much sense..

Originally posted by Tptmanno1
No problemo.
Now I was reading back a bit and I heard Genisis being used as proof. Now can you tell me exactly why Genisis is more right than say the Aztec creation story of Quetzaqotal(Sp?) creating the Universe. Or the Egyptian Creation story? And if you look at the beginning of the Bible (Or at least the one I have) There is a diagram of what they believed to be the earth. It shows the earth as flat with hell being below it and heaven right outside the atmosophere. Now If we can prove that wrong, and we most definitly can. Why makes anythign else true?
Or the Story of Noah. That story is a direct Rip of an ancient mesopotamian story. Exactly the same. Flooding the world 40 days and 40 nights. sending out a bird. The whole nine yards! And this was writtem mellenia before the Bible! The entire Old Testament can pretty much be proved false! It's the basic Ancient God story with the majority of the storys echoed throught history.

Um..tpt...u see the problem is, that drawing, like most religious drawings, isn't meant to be a geographical description of earth, but rather a religious/spiritual one..

And most of the stories in the Bible are the same/differ slightly with others in other cultures religions, so this can only mean that they are telling true (perhaps a little exagerated) events..