evolution

Started by The Omega156 pages

Agent Elrond> Oh, I see… 🙂
About this 3x^3-2x^2+6x-5i+(2i-3x^xi)=4i^-i+ln(2xi)
It’s ONE equation with two unknowns. So you must either specify one of them or gimme another equation, otherwise it can’t be solved.

The Force> Ay! After four months you did it! Let’s see what you have there…
(Five minutes later) Oh, so you start out by first repeating your posts and mine. Okay…

1) Your first question asked for proof of macro-evolution. I supplied you with that proof. You have not been able to refute that proof – you have not given proof of Creation. Nor that Genesis 1 is the true story.

2) You point out that living beings are complex. And ask how they could evolve from lesser complex organisms. I show you that nature also has quite a lot of organisms, that show features of appallingly bad design. This is because evolution via natural selection cannot construct traits from scratch; new traits must be modifications of previously existing traits. This is called historical constraint.
So what do you mean “if we messed it up”? Do you say that humans have changed Gods design in pre-history, or…? 😄
And the locust is an example of appallingly bad design, had it been designed by any intelligence consciously working towards it. Again:
In human males, the urethra passes right through the prostate gland, a gland very prone to infection and subsequent enlargement. This blocks the urethra and is a very common medical problem in males. Putting a collapsible tube through an organ that is very likely to expand and block flow in this tube is not good design. Any moron with half a brain (or less) could design male "plumbing" better! So, proof it wasn’t designed.

(P.S.: You are aware that you’re just chanting, right? I show you bad male plumbing, and you say it’s perfect because God created it. Come ON!!! If us humans can see it could’ve been made better, then surely a divine and omnipotent God should’ve made that installation better, don’t you think?)

3) WHAT??? 😆 So are you saying GOD created the fossils????? Or what are you trying to say with” Well when we find a fossil, we don’t have to make up a story from something that we’ve already read.”

4) ”Who cares how primitive the thing is, the point is that you say that life came about by random processes, you’ve got to be an ignorant redneck to think like that.” Gah, are you blind???? Scientists don't claim that cells and multi-cell creatures came into being through random processes! Why are you claiming that I claim the directe opposite of what I wrote???

5) Geologists learn of the chemical composition of Earth earlier on in the planets history by studing deposit-layers in the soil. And you are – btw – NOT proving Creationism. I have a question: Are you saying there was no ice-ages? If God created the Earth so nothing can change, how come we have computers and climate changes. God didn’t create those, so how can we change ”Gods creation” if HE created it that way? Is his creation so flawed, that we can change it?

6) Nah! You’re avoiding the reply. If you say (who’s the ”he” you’re referring to??) I should recognise DESIGN in nature, due to it’s complexity, it means I can recognise it against something which is disorderly and NOT designed. Does that mean God didn’t create EVERYTHING – as everything is NOT orderly and ”designed”? About DNA: It simply shows that DNA is complex. Nothing more – nothing less.

7) Yes, I read your question. Did you read my answer? There is NO protein which can ONLY be created by DNA.

8) Mutation! You DO know what mutation is, right? And you do accept that it happens, right? Or do I need to point to, say, Hiroshima. Mutation there is due to radioactivity. The Earth is being bombarded by cosmic radiation, which create slow mutation over time. Some mutations turn out to help a species survive.

9) “When he said arrowhead”? He? What “he”? Aren’t you YOU anymore? No, I do not see an arrowhead being made randomly. I see humans make them. I can recognise them as being made by intelligent beings, as the REST of the world isn’t. If you say, that I should see humans as being designed by someone, you’re saying that the rest of the Universe is not, or what? You want me to see design against a disorderly background, right? But if the background is disorderly, it was clearly not designed by ANYONE, right? 😄
“but did you know were made out of the same elements as dirt, i.e. God made us from the dust of the ground.” No, I didn’t. Prove that, will ya?

10) YOU :”If the solar system evolved, why do three planets spin backwards? Why do at least 30 moons revolve backwards?”

ME: ”What three planets are you talking about? Are you talking about axis-rotation? That, say, Uranus spins around it’s “equator”? What’s wrong with that? It’s not a scientif puzzle. Impact with asteroids can force a planets spin to change. If some god created the solar-system, why the mess?”
YOU: ”Woah, how is the solar system a mess? Seriously I see nothing wrong with it, if you were God how would you fix the solar system? Why do you say it’s jacked up? And also you didn’t answer the question.”
I did answer your question. See the ”asteroid collison??” 😉 And if The Solar System was intelligently designed, why the mess with three planets spinning differently? Why not complete and perfect order? Are you asking ME, how I would fix the Solar System if I was God? 😄 Shouldn’t God KNOW that???

11) Chunk of missing land??!?!? Uhrm, erosion happens, sorry to break it to you. The Moon wasn’t created yesterday, you know? Well, if you think what highly educated astronomers around the world research is BS, tell me what makes you an expert on whether or not they’re wrong?

12) What?!? 😆 Don’t tell me you think LIFE was created in the Big Bang. Gah! Go google. Search Big Bang – read up on it. You want ME to redo Big Bang? INSIDE the Universe? Well… First you give me proof of Creationism. You’ren ot really helping your case here. You’re just trying to yell at evolution, astronomy and physics.
Big Bang is a consequence of Albert Einsteins General Theory of Relativity (his theory for gravity). This theory is one of the most tested and accepted theories of the 20th Century. Or are you saying that ”science is wrong”? For example – Without Relativity GPS wouldn’t work. Now, if General rel is correct, then the logical deductions we make from it must also be correct. One of the earliest was the prediction of Black Holes. Although it took more than 50 years from the prediction until we actually found one.
So yes – 13,6 billion years ago Big Bang. You must understand some basic concept of quatum mechanics to grasp the 0=1-1. If you’re willing to listen, I’ll be willing to tell you. The Solar system formed 4,5 billion years ago. Things change – go out and watch the tides, look what tornados can do, Earth-quakes, volcanic eruptions.
The face of the planet is in constant change – Looks like God can’t really make up his mind, huh?

13) You ask how stars evolve, right? Are you asking me how the first stars formed, what the life of a star is like, or what? The oldests stars (the once formed first) were ”lighter” than the younger stars (stars created later in the timespan of the Universe). This is a proven fact. During billions of years and supernoavs gallore, we began to get heavier elements in the Universe. You want me to list the exact processes? Processes which we can reproduce in accelerators.

14) I’ll wait another few months then 😉

15) WHAT guy are you talking about? YOU were the one bringing in bacterias. Do you just copy/paste stuff without doing ANY research? You brought it up. It’s your obligation to tell me what you’re talking about. And ”THAT” guy was obviously the one mentioning old bacteria.

16) What, again? Why do you post stuff you can’t even back up??? Don’t you see a glaring problem in your argumentation by now? You simply copy some stuff that you agree with, but you’ve never even taken the time to find proof???

17) What bits and pieces of the ark? Where? Who says it’s from the ark? A Creationist, or the scientific community in general? Proof, please? Links, please?

18) Ah! You’re avoiding he question again. Who did this recalculation? How was it done?

19) I’m not suppose to guess your answer here. We could be ”martians”. Elements are not indigenous to Earth. Do you accept this fact?

20) Do you call, say, weather completely random? The winds in the air of the atmosphere move due to the laws of physics. They are not random.

DONE?
You haven’t given us one single bit of the promised proof of creation. You’re not DONE. You haven’t even begun yet.

Darth> Oh, I didn’t see you took care of some of the answers. Well, we’re in stereo then 😄

Originally posted by The Omega
5) Geologists learn of the chemical composition of Earth earlier on in the planets history by studing deposit-layers in the soil. And you are – btw – NOT proving Creationism. I have a question: Are you saying there was no ice-ages? If God created the Earth so nothing can change, how come we have computers and climate changes. God didn’t create those, so how can we change ”Gods creation” if HE created it that way? Is his creation so flawed, that we can change it?

We have our own possibilities and abilities, God didnt make the world unchangeable.

eezy45> Prove those claims, will ya?
Yes, the Earth’s magnetic field is loosing strength. Sometimes the field completely flips. The north and the south poles swap places. Such reversals, recorded in the magnetism of ancient rocks, are unpredictable. They come at irregular intervals averaging about 300,000 years; the last one was 780,000 years ago.
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/29dec_magneticfield.htm

So, the Earth would not have exploded 12.000 years ago. Prove that, will ya? Or at least show us where you got that from.

No, a gasplanet cannot form in less than 100 years. Who says that?

” and ALL the humanity derives from like 30 women (genetically proved)”. Proved by whom?

Carbon dating explained for everyone: http://science.howstuffworks.com/carbon-14.htm
(It also explains about cosmic radiation btw.)
ARGUE AGAINST THAT!

😄

eezy45> So do you accept that layer deposits can happen? And that erosion can happen? 🙂

Originally posted by The Omega
No, a gasplanet cannot form in less than 100 years. Who says that?

Lucio Mayer says that.

Originally posted by The Omega
eezy45> So do you accept that layer deposits can happen? And that erosion can happen? 🙂

yes...

how about the grand canyon?
i read that its impossible for it to form like that if the layers were fossilized yet.
And what about trees that go through several layers?

Eezy45> I don’t understand what you mean about the fossilised layers and the Grand Canyon. And trees growing through several layers. Could you try writing it again, and explaining better.

Originally posted by The Omega
”and ALL the humanity derives from like 30 women (genetically proved)”. Proved by whom?

ever heard of Bryan Sykes? "The seven daughters of Eve"?
the 4th article here

Originally posted by The Omega
Eezy45> I don’t understand what you mean about the fossilised layers and the Grand Canyon. And trees growing through several layers. Could you try writing it again, and explaining better.

There are trees whcih are enclosed by multiple layers...

ah and...
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks.htm

Co-Existence of dinosaurs and humans

About this 3x^3-2x^2+6x-5i+(2i-3x^xi)=4i^-i+ln(2xi)
It’s ONE equation with two unknowns. So you must either specify one of them or gimme another equation, otherwise it can’t be solved.

x is a vaiable. i is the square root of -1

Eezy45> Don Patton??? http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/degrees.html
That person is NOT exactly trustworthy. Actually – don’t believe a thing he says.

Since early 1989, Don Patton, a close associate of Carl Baugh and leader of Metroplex Institute of Origins Science (MIOS) near Dallas, has claimed a Ph.D. (or "Ph.D. candidacy"😉 in geology from Queensland Christian University in Australia. However, QCU is another unaccredited school linked to Clifford Wilson. When questioned about this at a recent MIOS meeting, Patton indicated that he was aware of some problems relating to QCU, and was withdrawing his Ph.D. candidacy.

However, the printed abstracts of the 1989 Bible-Science conference in Dayton, Tennessee (where Patton gave two talks) stated that he was a Ph.D. candidacy in geology, and implied that he has at least four degrees from three separate schools. When Glen Kuban asked Patton for clarification on this during the conference, Patton stated that he had no degrees, but was about to receive a Ph.D. degree in geology, pending accreditation of QCU, which he assured Kuban was "three days away." Many days have since passed, and Patton still has no valid degree in geology. Nor is the accreditation of QCU imminent. Australian researcher Ian Plimer reported, "PCI, QPU, PCT, and PCGS have no formal curriculum, no classes, no research facilities, no calendar, no campus, and no academic staff....Any Ph.D. or Ph.D. candidacy at QPU by Patton is fraudulent."

With surprising boldness, Carl Baugh recently appeared on a radio talk show in Texas claiming the same degrees discussed above, plus a new "Ph.D. candidacy in paleoanthropology from Pacific College." Baugh complained that critics were now attacking his credentials and those of other fine creationists, including "Dr. Don Patton."

And what trees? Who says so? Where were they found? Who examined them?

oh let me quote something...

"In other words, these erect fossil trees required a speedy burial to be preserved fully. What better evidence for a catastrophic event than trees fossilized in an upright position and traversing multiple layers of the geologic column? As Paul Ackerman remarked, the polystratic tree trunks “constitute a sort of frozen time clock from the past, indicating that terrible things occurred—not over millions of years but very quickly” "

edit: proof to that

*cheers for TO* 😊

lol...

read the articles i posted, yerssot

"This type of phenomenon is not an isolated one. Rupke produced a photograph of 'a lofty trunk, exposed in a sandstone quarry near Edinburgh [Scotland], which measured no less than 25 meters and, intersecting 10 or 12 different strata, leaned at an angle of about 40°' (1973, p. 154). Thus, this particular tree must have been buried while falling down!"

This is a load of bull. Think about it. In order to put all that sediment there, in the time it takes for a tree to fall, you have to move very, very quickly. Now, obviously, such a huge volume of sediment is very heavy, and what happens when something that is heavy and moving fast hits something? It knocks it down, or even crushes it. So how is it possible that if it happened so quickly, the tree is still standing? Furthermore, if it was all poured onto the tree at once, then why are there different layers at all? wouldn't it just be one big piece of rock? I know very little about geology, but it just seems logical that it would be knocked over if that volume of stuff was suddenly dumped onto it.

Originally posted by eezy45
There are trees whcih are enclosed by multiple layers...

ah and...
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks.htm

Co-Existence of dinosaurs and humans


Ohh, ohh I want this one!
Ok Firstly Your credibility is kinda crapped out when you quote a site called www.bible.ca
Now I checked that site and it looks like a load of manuer.
It is trying to prove a rediculous, 1950's movie theroy!
In other words its saying fossil evidence is wrong due to this OTHER fossil evidence! Thats counter-intuitive!
Now tell me this, If Dinosaurs and Humans lived side by side then how coem we exist and they don't? By everything we've ever learned about the dinosaurs they are superior predators to Modern humans, much less primative Humans. Why do we exist and they don't. Don't tell me we killed them off because there is no possible way we could have done that! But if you say Humans were built differently back then, you are proving Evolution! Tell me how a bunch of modern Humans, Exactly the same as you and me could have taken on a T-rex with nothing more than Spears and rocks??

Originally posted by Darth Revan
"This type of phenomenon is not an isolated one. Rupke produced a photograph of 'a lofty trunk, exposed in a sandstone quarry near Edinburgh [Scotland], which measured no less than 25 meters and, intersecting 10 or 12 different strata, leaned at an angle of about 40°' (1973, p. 154). Thus, this particular tree must have been buried while falling down!"

This is a load of bull. Think about it. In order to put all that sediment there, in the time it takes for a tree to fall, you have to move very, very quickly. Now, obviously, such a huge volume of sediment is very heavy, and what happens when something that is heavy and moving fast hits something? It knocks it down, or even crushes it. So how is it possible that if it happened so quickly, the tree is still standing? Furthermore, if it was all poured onto the tree at once, then why are there different layers at all? wouldn't it just be one big piece of rock? I know very little about geology, but it just seems logical that it would be knocked over if that volume of stuff was suddenly dumped onto it.

heard of the biblical deluge?

Originally posted by Tptmanno1
Ohh, ohh I want this one!
Ok Firstly Your credibility is kinda crapped out when you quote a site called www.bible.ca
Now I checked that site and it looks like a load of manuer.
It is trying to prove a rediculous, 1950's movie theroy!
In other words its saying fossil evidence is wrong due to this OTHER fossil evidence! Thats counter-intuitive!
Now tell me this, If Dinosaurs and Humans lived side by side then how coem we exist and they don't? By everything we've ever learned about the dinosaurs they are superior predators to Modern humans, much less primative Humans. Why do we exist and they don't. Don't tell me we killed them off because there is no possible way we could have done that! But if you say Humans were built differently back then, you are proving Evolution! Tell me how a bunch of modern Humans, Exactly the same as you and me could have taken on a T-rex with nothing more than Spears and rocks??

lol i admit, that one was not very credible 😛

WHOA Darth Revan
😂
your sig is... scabrous... ^^

I admit, I believe in what god says. I am not less unpersuadable than you.

... oh and... after all Darwin WAS wrong, even evolutionists had to admit that...

Originally posted by eezy45
heard of the biblical deluge?

'fraid not.

What was Darwin wrong about that evolutionists admit to?