evolution

Originally posted by Holy Man

1) Palaeontologists have found a quite complete set of dinosaur-to-bird transitional fossils with no morphological "gaps" (Sereno 1999), represented by Eoraptor, Herrerasaurus, Ceratosaurus, Allosaurus, Compsognathus, Sinosauropteryx, Protarchaeopteryx, Caudipteryx, Velociraptor, Sinovenator, Beipiaosaurus, Sinornithosaurus, Microraptor, Archaeopteryx, Rahonavis, Confuciusornis, Sinornis, Patagopteryx, Hesperornis, Apsaravis, Ichthyornis, and Columba, among many others (Carroll 1997, pp. 306-323; Norell and Clarke 2001; Sereno 1999; Xu et al. 1999; Xu et al. 2000; Xu et al. 2002). All have the expected possible morphologies, including organisms such as Protarchaeopteryx, Caudipteryx, and the famous "BPM 1 3-13" (an unnamed dromaeosaur from China) which are flightless bipedal dinosaurs with modern-style feathers (Chen et al.1998 ; Qiang et al. 1998; Norell et al. 2002). Additionally, several similar flightless dinosaurs have been found covered with nascent evolutionary precursors to modern feathers (branched feather-like integument indistinguishable from the contour feathers of true birds), including Sinornithosaurus ("Bambiraptor"😉, Sinosauropteryx, Beipiaosaurus, Microraptor, and an unnamed dromaeosaur specimen, NGMC 91, informally called "Dave" (Ji et al. 2001). The All About Archaeopteryx FAQ gives a detailed listing of the various characters of Archaeopteryx which are intermediate between reptiles and modern birds.

LMAO!

that things were a fake (proven in 2000)

curtesy would be to show what you base yourself on eezy45 to say taht it was already proven to be fake, not just saying it

Originally posted by Darth Revan
I have nothing against atheists, but I actually classify myself as an agnostic of sorts. I used to be Christian, until I realized how little sense most of it made, and how hypocritical the people in my church were. For some reason, though, I still want to believe that there is some "higher power". Just that it's not the Christian god.

That's also where I stand...

Birds came from dinos. It really is true

Originally posted by The Omega
1* All life shows a fundamental unity in the mechanisms of replication, heritablility, catalysis, and metabolism.
2* Common descent predicts a nested hierarchy pattern, or groups within groups. We see just such an arrangement in a unique, consistent, well-defined hierarchy, the so-called tree of life.
3* Different lines of evidence give the same arrangement of the tree of life. We get essentially the same results whether we look at morphological, biochemical, or genetic traits.
4* Fossil animals fit in the same tree of life. We find several cases of transitional forms in the fossil record.
5* The fossils appear in a chronological order showing change consistent with common descent over hundreds of millions of years, and inconsistent with sudden creation.
6* Many organisms show rudimentary, vestigial characters such as sightless eyes or wings useless for flight.
7* Atavisms sometimes occur. An atavism is the reappearance of a character present in a distant ancestors but lost in the organism's immediate ancestors. We only see atavisms consistent with organisms' evolutionary histories.
8* Ontogeny (embryology and developmental biology) gives information about the historical pathway of an organism's evolution. For example, whales and many snakes develop hind limbs as embryos which are reabsorbed before birth.

1 and 2) Well I as a creationist say it´s because God made the unity and hierarchy.
This is an interpretion of facts, not more.

3) actually, see 1 and 2.

4) what about the theory that the layers turned over? ok it sounds weird, but the first layers do not only contain incomplex forms.
another thing is, not everything that dies becomes a fossil.

5) oh, and therefore we find lots of intersection forms.

6) Which can be the result of inbreeding. and where are the ancestors of bats that have functioning eyes? where is the fossil showing us that they have been used before? its maybe senseless

7) never heard of atavisms, sorry, so i cant say anything here...

8) this theory has been disproved in the early seventies.

do the rest later...

Ontogeny disproven? Go here: http://www.utm.edu/~rirwin/391OntogPhylog.htm

Can i just say wow!!, WOW! I am so god damn impressed with the amount of knowledge you guys have, especialy The Omega. You guys are very smart lol then again maybe its coz im 14 😬
Anyway i 100% agree with the theory of evoloution. I have no interest in religeon, thats me, other people can think what they want just dont come near me with it.

I just cant beleive that there is a "God" out there who is ever knowing, all powerful all "loving".
I cant see how the earth was created 6000 years ago i mean fossils, even looking at layers of rock will tell you other wise. And is it even possible to populate earth from 2 people to 6 billion in 6000 yrs?
Also if there were only 2 people and they had babies there babies had babies there babes had babes who had babes then wouldnt we all be related?

But the thing is i find it so hard to get round the fact that there was nothing before the big bang possibly there was another universe before this one wich imploded then exploded (big bang). Sorry just my 14 yr old brain using its imagination.
But i have been thinking how can evoloution take place from nothingness? I have seen u explain this Omega but im just an idiot and dont understand lol. Something about matter and anti matter, and there being more matter, something along those lines lol 😬 Wich creates stars and planets. But then where did the first organism come from, evolve from?

Sorry about going back a bit but i wanted to put my point accross and after reading 12 pages i couldnt stand it so i came here to post, sorry 😛

But i have been thinking how can evolution take place from nothingness? I have seen u explain this Omega but im just an idiot and dont understand lol. Something about matter and anti matter, and there being more matter, something along those lines lol Wich creates stars and planets. But then where did the first organism come from, evolve from?

There's matter and anti-matter. beta particle and positron (subatomic particles with zero mass and - and + charges) When these two particles collide, two gamma rays are given off. Mass can be conveted to energy and vice verse. That explains why u can't go faster than the speed of light. All the energy gets turned into mass.

Originally posted by Magee
But then where did the first organism come from, evolve from?

If you believe in atheist evolution, you have to believe in Big Bang and all life evolving of dead materia. (and that primal slime thingy later)

Originally posted by I am a Sock
There's matter and anti-matter. beta particle and positron (subatomic particles with zero mass and - and + charges) When these two particles collide, two gamma rays are given off. Mass can be conveted to energy and vice verse. That explains why u can't go faster than the speed of light. All the energy gets turned into mass.

and all this cant be the "Beginning" because the matter yet existed righto

No He's saying that colliding energy was converted into mass. And It HAD been proven in a lab.

f***, lost my post. Had a good reply too.

but waht about first humans??
you think adam and eve were the first?? I read a part of the bible, and if i remember correclty there was something like this in it: first adam and eve live in paradise, and because eve eats the apple they get trown out by god, who has obviously has the same weaknesses as humans have, because he takes revenge on eve, and every woman after her by letting here experience a lot of pain when giving birth! doens't really sound like an all forgiving and all knowing person now does it!!
and after they get trown out of paradise it sais something like, after they reach the nearest city( can't quote this, has been long time ago) BUT WERE DID THAT CITY COME FROM???? weren't adam and eve supposed to be the first, and we are all descendents of them......... bit strange isn't it!! (and if i'm wrong about the bible part please tell me, but i don't think i am!!)

Originally posted by Tptmanno1
No He's saying that colliding energy was converted into mass. And It HAD been proven in a lab.

where is the energy from when theres no space?

Originally posted by el-pirate
but waht about first humans??
you think adam and eve were the first?? I read a part of the bible, and if i remember correclty there was something like this in it: first adam and eve live in paradise, and because eve eats the apple they get trown out by god, who has obviously has the same weaknesses as humans have, because he takes revenge on eve, and every woman after her by letting here experience a lot of pain when giving birth! doens't really sound like an all forgiving and all knowing person now does it!!
and after they get trown out of paradise it sais something like, after they reach the nearest city( can't quote this, has been long time ago) BUT WERE DID THAT CITY COME FROM???? weren't adam and eve supposed to be the first, and we are all descendents of them......... bit strange isn't it!! (and if i'm wrong about the bible part please tell me, but i don't think i am!!)

no there has never been a city.
not in whole Genesis 1 or 2 or 3 or even 4 ...

well, i did read that, and i'm pretty sure it was in the bible, but maybe the childrens bible.......could be, but it's still strange then. i will look it up! but hte thing about letting women have pain giving birth, that wás in the bible!!

The Bible isn't 100% true. Some parts have been proven false

( well, i kind of got that, i'm reading my old childrens bible to find the city part, and it's kinda sick!!, telling little children about having sins, while you can't even have sins at that age!! and if we have sins then wouldn't that be gods own fault and not ours, because he made us.... (just so ou know, i don't believe in god)

ok found it, you're right, there was no city, but something about the land Nod, west of eden were kain went after killing abel (must have mixed that up). BUT kain and abel were the first and at that time, the only children of adam and eve, and it sais here that Kain goes away to live in Nod and that his WIFE ( don't know how he go here) bares him a son, Henoch, and he get a son, Irad, and so on...., but were do all the wives come from?????? (and women are made out of a mans ribs, puhlease! )

but this isn't really evlution, so sorry about that, just telling a few strange bible facts....

el-pirate, if you go and give the bible a good look, you'll find many things that you can't agree upon and of course it's full of contradictions

but then again... that's not the subject here