Im not calling any of you stupid lol. that's your thing , revan... Any way this thread is for people to babble about how cool evolution is instead of discussing other views. Physics has nothing to do with this. like I said, you people disregard any bizaare happening as a hallucination because its the logical thing to do.
Originally posted by Darth Revanso then you see the wall thats put up between the two subjects... its basically "We found these bones.. they're a million years old.. Omg proof!" vs faith and/or sprituality. So... just go discuss how cool evolution is.. peace out 😛
Ah... Yeah. Just because something life is extraordinarily complex does not mean it had a "creator". Read "The Blind Watchmaker", it talks about this.And those articles you provided are not proof for Creation. All they do it talk about its theories, in fact, the last one actually says that the arguments are probably false. And you know what? I've done quite a bit of research on the matter myself, and been totally unable to find a website proving Creation. All the ones I've found merely try to disprove evolution, which they can't do either.
PS I never said they were proof, I said it was an article (stop speculating what Im saying thx) for you to see others points of view. Mind you a debate happens when two people hear eachother out, which is not the case here.. you all wanna say Evo rox and bible is nonsense. theres no debate in that. sorry 🙂
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
ah yes, and someone who babbles incessantly that the bible is full of shit makes you right huh? logic isnt the backbone of the world.. and if my memory serves me correctly galileo said the earth was round, and everyone oppossed him.. not just the church.. lets not be rediculous. I dont know what you're talking about saying "You don't know how scientists works, so don't put your ignorance on display by claiming you know how.." I'd like to see where I've said that because Im sure
yerssot would have picked up on it long before hand
Uhh Yea, logic is. People acting illogicly puts the world into the chaos it is in today. Yea, you know why everyone opposed him? Because the church said that he was wrong, and everyone who agreed with him was to be excommunicated, meaning kicked outta the church and a direct pass to hell, don't pass go, don't collect 200$. That was a bigger deal then more than now. If you were excommunicated, you were basicly banned because noone could talk to you or nothing.
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
I suppose this is a decent article to draw from (for further discussion).
http://www.religioustolerance.org/evolutio.htm
I'm sorry, but your lack of intelligence in this matter is imply astonishing!
you talk about Galileo, well if you knew a bit about him you would know that the cardinals of the Inquisition met on 24 February 1616 and took evidence from theological experts. They condemned the teachings of Copernicus, and Bellarmine conveyed their decision to Galileo, who was a strong believer in Copernicus's theory, who had not been personally involved in the trial. (This was under pope Paul V if you wanna know)
Under Urban VIII, shortly after publication of Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief Systems of the World - Ptolemaic and Copernican, the Inquisition banned its sale and ordered Galileo to appear in Rome before them. (Illness prevented him from travelling to Rome until 1633) Galileo's accusation at the trial which followed was that he had breached the conditions laid down by the Inquisition in 1616.
Found guilty, Galileo was condemned to lifelong imprisonment (house arrest).
Are you gonna claim now that the inquisition is NOT filled with religious people?
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Furthermore about your "website"... any sensible being would realise this is one of the most pathetic websites ever to have been published to strenghten a point.
Religioustolerance.com??? the title says it all: not thrustworthy at all cause they'll only give one view on things: religion
Browsing further through the very poorly made site, it shows that the site apperently can't maintain itself so it has to get ads in?? that is gaining anyone's trust now 🙄
The copyright is of "Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance"? yet again that proves that the site is not worth looking at twice
I'm sorry, but that website is one big joke
but I see we're drifting vastely off topic here yet again
Darth> We’ve had a few yelling Creationists here by now – was it you or yers who actually contacted one of those web-sites asking for REAL proof?
I think I will make a website about all the lying Creationists and other loons for general entertainment to generally educated and enlightened people 😄
I think we can safely conclude that when a Creationists says “PROOF of creation” he/she means “I have read at some other website, that some religious guy who’s lying about his education, but that doesn’t matter, has found some old book from the 30’s in which it says, there is some evolution-proof that might perhaps be shaky.”
Can someone explain to me how disproving evolution automatically proves Creationism? Darth? Tpt? Yers?
Tpt> You DO know when the church finally lifted the BAN on Galileo right? When it – officially accepted that the world WAS round?
(If not – go look – you’ll have a laugh).
Yerssot> Drifting off topic? Where did we even start? Something about evolution being BANNED in American schools I think… The Inquisition would be proud, it’s the 21st century and science is STILL being oppressed. Galileo will be turning in his grave!
I am a bio major and have to listen to tons of stuff on evolution....it's not the most boring aspect of the biological world so it would be fine by me to teach...but personally I don't believe in it........
other side...if it did happen....er who cares?
it's like readin all of shakespeare's stuff....okay to do or not do....a bit boring at times....but nothing will die if I do or don't hear about evolotion
Phoenix Song> Let me guess: You haven’t read this whole thread? I have explained countless times how Big Bang came about in a way EVERYONE can understand.
Biology without evolution? I wonder how a bio major who’s not into evolution explains mutations… Right (yawns) boring, boring… Especially in fruit-flies and the like… Especially in the ever returning flu-virus that somehow manages to mutate…
Oh, well.
Tpt> An investigation into the Galileo’s condemnation was opened in 1979 by Pope John Paul II. A papal commission, set up in 1982, produced several scholarly publications related to the trial. In October 1992 the commission acknowledged the error of the Church’s officials.
So – in 1992 – the church accepted the Earth was round! 😄
I certainly hope you've come up with some better reasons than the ones you posted in your thread:
A. if the wold is "65 million years old" and we came from apes, according to population growth, there would be... ... 1,200 people per square INCH, yeah, INCH.
B. nowadays, no one scientist has dicovered recent signs of "evolution", recent being around 50000 B.C.
C. Darwin already admitted his THEORY was false, and carbon dating has been proven severly inaccurate.
D. I have a religion, and Im stickin to it.
E. "Big Bang"- a big group of mass starts spinning with no force to make it do that, and it gathered into one big ball of mass. Then somehow exploded. Then made all the stars in the universe. The Planets: Nepute, Pluto, and Uranus spin backwards, yet the law of 'angular momentum' states when any gathering of mass implodes or explodes, all the remains, or planets, will spin in the same direction. BOOM. FALSE.
F. I hope i proved my point 🙂 im big on jesus.
(this is me now)
A. The world is NOT 65,000,000 years old. It is far older. The dinosaurs became extinct approximately that long ago. And no, there should not be that many humans on earth, because to start with, we've only been around for something like 2 million years. And our population hasn't been growing so rapidly for our entire existence. It's just in the past century that it's exploded so suddenly. Did I really need to explain that? 🙄
B. Yes, they have. Look at the tuburculosis epidemic that we had here in the 30's and 40's... They started out with just one treatment, but pretty soon, the disease became immune to the treatment. Now they have seven. Voila, living proof of evolution.
C. Actually, the Darwin deathbed story is false... Look in the first few pages of the OTHER evolution thread for more info.
D. Good for you. Just remember that the Bible is essentially an ancient book of fairy tales.
E. If The Omega finds this thread, she can explain more about the Big Bang. I don't know much about astro-physics, tbh.
F. No, you haven't proven your point. You've only succeeded in attempting to shove a bunch of totally bogus crap down our throats. Congratulations. Have fun worshipping a guy who may or may not have actually existed. 🙂
...Because if you haven't, your thoughts on the issue are about to be torn apart. I know that what you just said about the Big Bang was only something that some religious nutjob wrote and you read. And that you haven't actually researched it, and probably know as little about that as you do about the age of our planet.
Don't even try to claim the people who wanted evolution not taught in public schools weren't Christian. I'm sick as hell of you all hearing about some Christian idiot who did something stupid, then claiming he/she "wasn't really Christian". Al-Qaeda are extremist nuts as well, but that doesn't mean they're not Muslim.